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Tammy Bruce's Constitutional Ignorance: Disappointed Alito Supports Abortion Notification
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Posted on 10/31/2005 7:34:44 AM PST by governsleastgovernsbest

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To: pepperhead

Around here an "openly gay, pro-choice...progressive feminist" believes Bush = Hitler, and they really mean it. No way they'd vote for him.


41 posted on 10/31/2005 8:05:13 AM PST by bkepley
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To: HitmanNY

"My first thought is that he isn't the father."

Nutshell.


42 posted on 10/31/2005 8:06:07 AM PST by L98Fiero
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To: ctdonath2
The only issue that a judge should take into account is whether the statue is explicitly allowed by the Constitution.

Nope. Almost exactly the opposite, in fact. The Constitution spells out a few, limited number of powers of the federal government. Everything else is reserved to the states or to individuals. So the silence of the Constitution, far from meaning that given legislation is unconstitutional, is strong evidence that it is permissible.

43 posted on 10/31/2005 8:08:07 AM PST by governsleastgovernsbest (read my posts on Today show bias at www.newsbusters.org)
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To: bkepley
She describes herself as a "an openly gay, pro-choice, gun owning, pro-death penalty, voted-for-President Bush progressive feminist."

How much of that is believable? She's either a dingbat or she's lying.

I'll bet the openly gay, pro-choice, "progressive feminist" parts are right.

44 posted on 10/31/2005 8:11:49 AM PST by FourtySeven (47)
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To: bkepley
Around here an "openly gay, pro-choice...progressive feminist" believes Bush = Hitler, and they really mean it. No way they'd vote for him.

But she is pro-death penalty and a gun owner.

45 posted on 10/31/2005 8:12:10 AM PST by pepperhead (Kennedy's float, Mary Jo's don't!)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest
No, she used to be profoundly stupid. She has grown up to a large extent. The Left tossed her out in front as a liberal spokesperson because she was so beautiful, (still a rare thing in feminist circles) but she was not ready for prime time. She realizes now that she was used by them. She started from zero, so I give her a break when she slips.
46 posted on 10/31/2005 8:12:36 AM PST by Pukin Dog (Sans Reproache)
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To: Fenris6
I have consistently said (and taken some heat on FR) that the reason many women say they are against abortion, but at the same time quietly support the status quo of first trimester abortions being readily available, is that they know there is a real possibility that they could have an otherwise unexplained pregnancy on their hands.

They don't want their status quo upset (and destroyed), as husbands and to a lesser extent boyfriends tend to not care for other men getting their women pregnant.

The average woman knows that in a moment of bad judgment, she can sexually succumb. To the extent it's a tender memory that she files away in her mind, and may privately give herself grief over, everything is fine and she can function without disrupting her life.

To the extent she has a baby on the way that her husband couldn't have fathered, it's a severe and serious problem.

The bad news is that this goes for most women: the women sitting 2 pews away from you in church know that this can happen and is mindful of it.
47 posted on 10/31/2005 8:12:55 AM PST by HitmanLV (Listen to my demos for Savage Nation contest: http://www.geocities.com/mr_vinnie_vegas/index.html)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

Exactly,

Tammy doesn't understand that there is a big difference between having the opinion that a law is a bad idea and making the claim that a law is constitutionally prohibited.

Ailito may share her belief that the law in question is a bad policy call, I hope not, but he may. However, this has nothing to do with the question of whether or not the Constitution prevents the people of PA from making such a law.


48 posted on 10/31/2005 8:13:45 AM PST by NavVet (“Benedict Arnold was wounded in battle fighting for America, but no one remembers him for that.”)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

If a woman is married to a guy, and she decides to abort the kid he helped produced, doesn't he at least deserve a notice???

The obvious constitutional issue aside, this is common sense, but common sense and Constitutional adherence aren't liberal strong points.


49 posted on 10/31/2005 8:15:03 AM PST by ZULU (Fear the government which fears your guns. God, guts, and guns made America great.)
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To: HitmanNY

"at the same time quietly support the status quo of first trimester abortions being readily available"

Thats actually my position. But mainly b/c condoms fail and, if I had a 19-yr-old Condi Rice, I wouldn't want her future destroyed because of an accident [even though I know she assumed the risk by making a choice to have intercourse]


50 posted on 10/31/2005 8:16:00 AM PST by Fenris6 (3 Purple Hearts in 4 months w/o missing a day of work? He's either John Rambo or a Fraud)
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To: mewzilla
To the left, marriage in as inconvenient form of slavery that must be abolished. Therefore, it, or people who practice it, deserve no special consideration.
51 posted on 10/31/2005 8:16:12 AM PST by Republic of Texas (Socialism Always Fails)
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To: ZULU

Read my post #38 for some insight into why this isn't 'common sense' in the minds of a lot of folks.


52 posted on 10/31/2005 8:16:56 AM PST by HitmanLV (Listen to my demos for Savage Nation contest: http://www.geocities.com/mr_vinnie_vegas/index.html)
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To: HitmanNY

That is also why women never criticize other women for "letting themselves go" (sexually or physically). They know it could be them. In fact some probably plan on it being them one day. Just my personal opinion.


53 posted on 10/31/2005 8:19:32 AM PST by Republic of Texas (Socialism Always Fails)
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To: Ann Archy
Tammy....the Father/husband is REQUIRED BY LAW under punishment in Jail to provide for the child for 18 YEARS.....the mother ONLY has to provide for the child for 9 MONTHS......there is NO LAW that requires a mother to pay for anything!!! You betcha the Father/husband has something to say about the baby since he BY LAW MUST provide MONEY for 18 YEARS!!!

************

The financial aspect of the issue is the least of it.

54 posted on 10/31/2005 8:22:19 AM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: Fenris6

Well, don't overstate the 'destroyed,' either. She can put the child up for adoption, for example. The bad situation need not lead to destruction of the mother's life.

That being said, I think women know that they can screw up and get caught with their panties down. That's why you have polls that show most women think abortion is wrong, yet most women are clearly not animated to change the status quo.

If its a choice between doing something they think is wrong, and coming clean and having an angry husband on her hands who might dump her pregnant arse onto the street, leaving her with a pretty unseemly story to tell her less-than-sympathetic family and friends, I think most women choose to quietly get rid of the problem.

Sad but true. Most Freepers have no grasp of this dynamic and it leads them astray on the issue. This is why women really freak out if their access to abortions is seriously threatened.


55 posted on 10/31/2005 8:22:26 AM PST by HitmanLV (Listen to my demos for Savage Nation contest: http://www.geocities.com/mr_vinnie_vegas/index.html)
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To: HitmanNY

Well, I don't think we should be passing laws and enacting constitutional protections which provide an advantage to the few people who don't follow the rules at the expence of the many who do.

Most women don't get pregnant in extra-marital affairs.

On the other hand, unless her husband is sterile, or they have been living as monks, how would he know who got her pregnant??

I don't think DNA tests are required on murdered babies yet.


56 posted on 10/31/2005 8:24:31 AM PST by ZULU (Fear the government which fears your guns. God, guts, and guns made America great.)
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To: Fenris6
If there is no easy way out such as abortion, kids might be more circumspect when it comes to sex. At least that's the way it used to work.

Also, I know several women that had abortions in their youth. All of them regret them and are traumatized by the fact that they ended an innocent life.

57 posted on 10/31/2005 8:24:53 AM PST by Republic of Texas (Socialism Always Fails)
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To: BenLurkin

And they can keep it without his consent and require him to pay for it as well. They have their cake and eat it too. They want the right to choose as long as they are the only one with the right.

I view it as murder, I am just am pointing out the usual liberal hypocrisy.


58 posted on 10/31/2005 8:25:47 AM PST by WV Mountain Mama ("Good? Bad? I'm the one with the gun." Ash Williams, "Army of Darkness")
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To: Republic of Texas

I don't know about that - in my experience other women tend to be more biting & critical of a sexually adventerous woman. Heck, they tend to be more critical of women in very sexual attire.

Men enjoy the benefit of women who are more sexually loose, and can appreciate the sexual attire a lot more than women do.

This issue is another one entirely. I don't think very many women plan on an inconvenient pregnancy like I describe, but a lot of women in otherwise happy & functional relationships know that they could be caught with their panties down, a situation that utterly threatens the life and status quo that they value.

It's not good, but it's present in the back of the minds of most women, I think.


59 posted on 10/31/2005 8:26:08 AM PST by HitmanLV (Listen to my demos for Savage Nation contest: http://www.geocities.com/mr_vinnie_vegas/index.html)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

this is where libertarians and lesbians never fail to disappoint

(see Boortz)


60 posted on 10/31/2005 8:26:09 AM PST by wardaddy (It's Manana Again in America!)
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