Posted on 11/29/2005 6:55:27 AM PST by Panerai
Oh yeah, he's VERY command-line-phobic. Odd for someone who seems to want us to think he's techie. :)
"Dumb? No dumb is making your "backup" to the same exact physical drive the data is on, LMAO."
Hmmm...creating a backup to restore a previous configuration in case of a problem...sounds just like Windows XP's System Restore to me. So, is that "dumb" too?
"So what, I do the same thing. But I keep my favorites list in HTML list format right on my own website, so I can access it where ever the heck I'm at. A concept this "dumb" guy thought of long before you, LMAO again."
Wow! Yeah! You practically invented that Internet thing, didn't you Al...er..Buzzy? You're a GENIUS, because you can use this "Internet" to access information from many places! Wow! We're all so impressed with this "original" idea! Hooray for Buzzy!
I can't believe you're patting yourself on the back for this "idea" that Yahoo and several other services have had for eons. Let me guess, they stole that idea from you...just like those commie open-sourcers stole our Red Blooded American Unix, right? You're a moron.
No, that's smart, since it does it all for you. What's dumb is wasting all that time writing those ridiculous commands just to capture a tiny portion of your hard drive.
can't believe you're patting yourself on the back for this "idea" that Yahoo and several other services have had for eons. ,/i>
Hey I didn't claim to invent the idea, it's obviously a no-brainer. But zeugma here apparently hadn't ever thought of it, since he was frantically writing scripts just to update a browser, ROFL.
You're a moron.
Call names all you want, but I obviously know a lot more about this stuff than any of you bozos. What you gonna have to backup tonight? Your address book? LMAO.
I know you're sore about constantly being pointed out as incorrect, but what do I have to apologize for, for pointing it out? I do appreciate you apologizing for being wrong, like you have done, and should have thanked you for it. But when I'm constantly being called names for being right, it's not easy to be gracious. If you finally started giving me the respect I deserve, I might not feel the need to rub your nose in it every time.
So...it is your position that in order to fix a problem with one directory you should restore the entire hardrive? Or at the very least, spend ten times the amount of time to access whatever removable media/application you use to restore one directory?
Is that a serious question? I hope not.
Or at the very least, spend ten times the amount of time to access whatever removable media/application you use to restore one directory?
Stick in a thumb drive is 10x the time to store locally? Ridiculous. Full image backups to write once with individual file recovery (like I already mentioned) is still the most return for the effort, unless, I guess, you're constantly somehow losing your data or your O/S is unstable and you are trying to increase the frequency of your backups as protection. But even then, you'd still want a full backup of everything. At least I would, but I have lots and lots of data, making the O/S and apps a very small portion. Or write to a network or USB device, but you'd have everything, especially as an 'image' that allows a perfect restore (if you never heard of it), and now you can browse the files within the image. The software that is just coming out now will even allow you to backup your O/S, and restore to a completely different hardware platform.
Bottom line, if you're going to make a backup, which is close to a 100% unattended operation, might as well get a complete backup of all your data. The command syntax won't be any longer, you'll have everything backed up, and unless your computer is just a catastrophe you won't be needing it anyway. Writing a hundred individual scripts for each application on your disk, then only backing them up locally, is pretty much a waste in my opinion. Wait till your hole disk gets shredded, then get back to me about how great those individual app backups on your local disk are.
" No, that's smart, since it does it all for you. What's dumb is wasting all that time writing those ridiculous commands just to capture a tiny portion of your hard drive."
You are a GIANT sissy. Those simple commands would take a few seconds to type, which is FAR shorter than it takes to run XP System Recovery. So, Mr. Techie...why the command-line phobia? You have to have bright colors and big buttons or your ADHD just makes it hell for you, I guess.
But let me see if I've got this straight...using Windows XP System Recovery to revert software to a previous state = "smart".
Typing your own commands to revert software to a previous state = "ridiculous".
Oh, ok, I get it. You're a moron.
" Hey I didn't claim to invent the idea, it's obviously a no-brainer."
Thank heavens, else you never would have found it.
"But zeugma here apparently hadn't ever thought of it, since he was frantically writing scripts just to update a browser, ROFL."
'Frantically writing scripts'? It's statements like this that really show how little you know about anything. Zeugma typed a few commands in at a command line. Yeah, I'll bet that took all of 15 seconds, including execution of the commands.
In other words, please figure out what the hell you're talking about BEFORE you start speaking.
Second, it's three friggin' lines. For someone who calls themselves a tech guy, you sure do have an irrational fear of interacting with a computer without the use of an animated paper clip or a cute little search dog.
"Call names all you want, but I obviously know a lot more about this stuff than any of you bozos."
Something's obvious alright. It ain't what you said, though.
Good idea. When you're getting your butt kicked, change the subject. Don't blame you a bit, Buzzy.
More immature ignorance. When you've been doing these things as long as I have, you'll learn to look for the easiest, most effective solution first. And making manual backup scripts for each individual application, just so you can back it up to the same local disk, is laughable. At least get a backup of the primary volume if you can't afford the whole image, should be nothing more than a couple of clicks away, for a far better backup. You don't even have any manners, much less any real understanding of technology.
"But when I'm constantly being called names for being right, it's not easy to be gracious. "
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mmmmph....
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Oh, man. Thanks, Buzzy. I was having a bad day until that post. Whew! *wipes corner of eye*.....
Of course it is. I wasn't speaking of thumb drives (which, incidentally, I find to be unreliable for anything other than data transport and storage of totally replaceable data). I can't afford to own a flash drive that will hold all my data. I have 50gb to backup...and that's only one of 4 hard drives.
Plus, I was referring only to my own backup solution. If I wanted to restore just my Firefox profile directory, I would need to power up the external hard drive I use for everyday, incidental backups...then load the backup/restore application, drill down to the volume set that holds the directory I need and then restore it. Total time; 4 minutes.
If I were to use my restore script to do the same job...which is just a point and click...the total time to restore what I need; 20 seconds.
I don't use hundreds of these scripts to backup and restore data. That would also be ridiculous and was an erroneous assumption. I use just the one for this one very limited task because it is convenient....which is what started the whole discussion back on post #91.
If the script failed to restore what I needed, then I would of course go to the larger backup. If that failed to get me what I needed, I'd have to go to the monthly tape.
The upshot is, the script is for small, convenient backups that obviate the need to muck with the larger backup sets.
50 Gig? That's it? There's countless USB drives out there with 5x that storage out there for the cost of a game console. You can even get them with ethernet now. Full backups always beat small ones. Esepecially if you have to manually script the small one. More pay in but less pay out. Pretty basic I'd say.
"And making manual backup scripts for each individual application, just so you can back it up to the same local disk, is laughable."
Amazing! You still don't understand!
It wasn't a script. It was three commands from a command line. And, it wasn't done for each individual application...it was only for Firefox, just in case the new install was unacceptable for some reason. And, the old Firefox stuff could be safely copied to the same disk, because it was only going to be there until Zeugma determine whether or not the new Firefox install was going to work, which was probably within 10 minutes of installing it.
But you would have us believe that the hard drive would choose exactly that moment to fail. Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight.
I'm also puzzled as to why you didn't level the same criticism at Bloody Sam Roberts, who proposed doing essentially the same thing in Windows XP.
You're answering a question no one asked. Typical for you, however, because that's how you change the subject. I won't bite though, Buzzy. You remain, as always, dead wrong (but very entertaining).
"You don't even have any manners, much less any real understanding of technology."
And you have no understanding of what Zeugma was even trying to do, even though I've spent two posts now trying to get it through your thick head. And as for the manners...quit whining. You get treated like you treat others.
Good night.
P.S. It's only a message board, Buzzy. Have you told yourself that today?
I do have an external USB 200gb Maxtor that I use for longer rotation period backups and backing up the other nodes on the home network. I've had to save my pennies and squirell away nuts and whatnot to get those. I'd like to get another, bigger external but I'm basically a cheap pr!¢k.
Sounds like a decent setup, just backup to the Maxtor then, sounds like a near perfect match. Burn some discs from there every so often and you should be pretty well covered. If you had good image backup software it should even compress some for you, and you'd only be a new internal hard drive and a few hours away from totally back online, if you had somehow just lost everything. Which otherwise is one of the worst things that can happen to you.
Better yet, since this is a site built around conservative activism, why don't you look around at some other thread topics for a change. Perhaps you'll find that there are, in fact other happening in the world that don't revolve around microsoft, linux, and apple.
I would imagine in the hundreds of threads that run on this site daily covering such topics as immigration, the drug war, abortion, property rights and judicial activism run rampant. Surely someone of your intellect could find more of interest elsewhere on this site than the one or two per thousand posts that your posting history would indicate. I have no desire whatsoever to discuss anything with you, but maybe you could find someone amongst the thousands who post here regularly who does.
I would! GE is just precious!
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