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To: NYer

The Catholic church does a pretty good job of defiling itself, if you ask me (a Catholic).

On a trip to Italy a friend who lives in Rome explained Catholic relics to me. As I recall, a first order relic would be a piece of the true cross, his robe, the shroud of Turin, etc. A second order relic would be something associated with Mary. A church in Rome supposedly has some of Mary's breast milk in a reliquary.

Third order relics are objects that have been touched or in close proximity to first order relics. They tend to abound in Italy.

I'm surprised I read through the first 100 posts and found no mention of AA. They also did a pretty good number on Alcoholics Anonymous and there doesn't seem to be anyone complaining.


322 posted on 12/09/2005 8:16:26 AM PST by TC Rider (The United States Constitution © 1791. All Rights Reserved.)
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To: TC Rider
As I recall, a first order relic would be a piece of the true cross, his robe, the shroud of Turin, etc. A second order relic would be something associated with Mary. A church in Rome supposedly has some of Mary's breast milk in a reliquary. Third order relics are objects that have been touched or in close proximity to first order relics. They tend to abound in Italy.

A first-order relic is an actual piece of a saint (or Christ, if one existed). A second-order relic is something the saint or Christ wore or used during his lifetime. A third-order relic is something that has touched a first- or second-order relic.

Thus, the cross should technically be a second-order relic, the Shroud of Turin third-order.

386 posted on 12/09/2005 8:49:05 AM PST by antiRepublicrat
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