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Spielberg blasts 'extremist' critics of 'Munich'
Breitbart.com ^ | 1/22/06 | AFP

Posted on 01/22/2006 4:02:16 PM PST by wagglebee

Steven Spielberg hit back at critics of his latest film "Munich" about the targeted killing of Palestinians behind the massacre of Israelis during the 1972 Olympics, in an interview to be published Monday ahead of the picture's German and Israeli release.

Spielberg, 59, told German news weekly Der Spiegel that "Munich" aims to reclaim the debate about the moral costs of the struggle against terror from "extremists" and engage moderate forces in the West and the Middle East.

"Should you leave the debate to the great over-simplifiers? The extreme Jews and extreme Palestinians who consider any kind of negotiated settlement to be a kind of treason?" he said in remarks printed in German.

"I wanted to use the medium of film to make the audience have a very intimate confrontation with a subject that they generally only know about in an abstract way, or only see in a one-sided way."

"Munich", which hit US screens last month, depicts an Israeli campaign to hunt down and kill Palestinian radicals behind the hostage-taking of Israeli athletes and coaches during the Munich Olympics.

The drama ended in a massacre: 11 Israelis, five Palestinians and one German police officer were killed.

The film, which will be released in Israel and Germany this week, looks at the psychological and moral toll the assassinations took on the Israeli agents. It is billed as "inspired by real events" to deflect criticism about its historical accuracy.

"Munich" was blasted by some US Jewish commentators who accused Spielberg of equating the Israeli assassins with the Palestinian militants.

Spielberg dismissed the charges as "nonsense".

"These critics are acting as if we were all missing a moral compass. Of course it is a horrible, abominable crime when people are taken hostage and killed like in Munich," he said.

"But it does not excuse the act when you ask what the motives of the perpetrators were and show that they were also individuals with families and a history.... Understanding does not mean forgiving. Understanding does not mean being soft, it is a courageous and strong stance."


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KEYWORDS: hollywoodleft; moviereview; munich; munichmassacre; municholympics; palestinians; plo; stevenspielberg; terrorapologist
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"Schindler's List" and "Saving Private Ryan" are two of my favorite movies. I thought that Spielberg would leave his leftist politics out of this, I guess I was wrong.
1 posted on 01/22/2006 4:02:17 PM PST by wagglebee
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To: SJackson

Ping.


2 posted on 01/22/2006 4:02:40 PM PST by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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To: wagglebee
I guess the issue comes down to are we willing to do bad things to advance a good and just cause.

Since most people in their lives at some point or another have in fact done bad things to advance a bad or unjust cause, I don't think it's a very controversial question. :-)
3 posted on 01/22/2006 4:04:58 PM PST by HitmanLV (Listen to my demos for Savage Nation contest: http://www.geocities.com/mr_vinnie_vegas/index.html)
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To: wagglebee

What do you think the reaction would be on the left if someone made a movie about the motives, family and human side of someone who kills gays? I mean, they're human beings too. We must understand them, right?


4 posted on 01/22/2006 4:04:59 PM PST by Hildy (The only difference between a rut and a grave is the depth)
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To: wagglebee

Spielberg has turned into one of those guys who thinks he can give it, but can't take it.


5 posted on 01/22/2006 4:05:10 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: wagglebee

Insisting on the truth is too extreme for him.


6 posted on 01/22/2006 4:06:48 PM PST by SampleMan
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To: wagglebee

Waiting for Spielberg's "Understanding Adolf Hitler"...


7 posted on 01/22/2006 4:06:53 PM PST by LibFreeOrDie (L'Chaim!)
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To: LibFreeOrDie

"The Misunderstood and Unappreciated Pol Pot."


8 posted on 01/22/2006 4:08:18 PM PST by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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To: wagglebee

"But it does not excuse the act when you ask what the motives of the perpetrators were and show that they were also individuals with families and a history"




Hmmm, well. Goebbles had six children and Goering I believe had five...real family men with histories....

So you were saying Steven..?


9 posted on 01/22/2006 4:08:55 PM PST by fizziwig
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To: wagglebee

"Understanding Josef Stalin"?


10 posted on 01/22/2006 4:09:36 PM PST by jimbo123
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To: wagglebee
Spielberg, 59, told German news weekly Der Spiegel that "Munich" aims to reclaim the debate about the moral costs of the struggle against terror from "extremists" and engage moderate forces in the West and the Middle East.

So he admits that he crafted the film to advance his agenda, and not to be an objective retelling of the truth...

11 posted on 01/22/2006 4:10:09 PM PST by Ichneumon
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To: wagglebee

Spielberg is a Moron.


12 posted on 01/22/2006 4:10:35 PM PST by tomahawk
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To: Hildy
"What do you think the reaction would be on the left if someone made a movie about the motives, family and human side of someone who kills gays? I mean, they're human beings too. We must understand them, right?"

Spot on.. that is perfect.

13 posted on 01/22/2006 4:11:52 PM PST by Chuzzlewit
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To: wagglebee

Spielberg is leaving out that the Israelis are dealing with people who only understand force. Negotiating is a sign of weakness.


14 posted on 01/22/2006 4:11:56 PM PST by BunnySlippers (Boorrrringg ...)
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To: wagglebee

"Munich" is all about moral relativism, pure and simple. The homo cowpoke movie wins out with higher share because it doesn't have to justify murder in the form of terrorism. Essentially, it's just about two queers humping each other on the range and only offers the tired question of why this can't be normal. Spielberg miscalculated against the moral black and white aspects of the 1972 events in Munich and attempted to blur the line of good vs.evil. Most people aren't buying it or a ticket to his movie. His moral compass is the one that needs calibrating.


15 posted on 01/22/2006 4:12:41 PM PST by TADSLOS (Right Wing Infidel since 1954)
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To: jimbo123

The left adores Stalin, that one wouldn't even be a surprise. I think that Oliver Stone is working on a movie about how wonderful Castro is.


16 posted on 01/22/2006 4:13:03 PM PST by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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To: wagglebee

I've got these Hollywierd leftists on a short leash, as for when I decide to and not to attend their movies. When Spielberg came out with the militarisic movies I didn't buy into it. The a.h. backed Clinton with his big donations. Is that the action of a person who revers and honors our military? I pegged his movies as a way to tap into the cash vaults of those who did rever our military.

Now his true wishy washy nature has been revealed. I was confident it would.


17 posted on 01/22/2006 4:13:26 PM PST by DoughtyOne (01/11/06: Ted Kennedy becomes the designated driver and moral spokesperson for the Democrat party.)
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To: wagglebee
"Should you leave the debate to the great over-simplifiers? The extreme Jews and extreme Palestinians who consider any kind of negotiated settlement to be a kind of treason?" he said in remarks printed in German.

I guess it is extremism to want to bring just to murders.

It must also be over-simplifying to say that someone who takes civilians captives and murders them is a terrorist and you should not grant them the status of a soldier in uniform or grant them the niceties of a trial before hunting them down and killing them like the rabid dogs that they are.

18 posted on 01/22/2006 4:14:17 PM PST by Pontiac (Ignorance of the law is no excuse, ignorance of your rights can be fatal.)
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To: wagglebee
Unless by "understanding" he means being able to better thwart their plans and kill them...

Yeah we should understand what makes them tick. Not that Spielberg has the correct motivation in mind.

19 posted on 01/22/2006 4:14:18 PM PST by M203M4
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To: wagglebee

So the people who criticize Spielberg's film are extremists, but the terrorists who massacre Israeli athletes and cut captives' throats are not extremists. What planet is Spielberg living on...


20 posted on 01/22/2006 4:15:28 PM PST by LibFreeOrDie (L'Chaim!)
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To: wagglebee
I didn't see "Ryan", but--frankly--I think there's a lot wrong with "Schindler's List"--

There was an overarching attitude in that movie that portrayed the Eauropean Jews of WWII not only as helpless and passive victims, but seemed also to glory in their helplessness and passivity. I feel a desire on Spielberg's part that Jews are and should be sanctified by victimization, and any move toward righteous self-defense threatens that sanctification.

And in the closing scene, where Schindler goes off the deep end "I should have done more! I could have done more!" I couldn't help but think how Spielberg speaks so little on behalf of the defense of Israel--has that reluctant embarrassment I so often sense from "sophisticated" leftwing US Jewry. Could Spielberg do more, with his bully pulpit and his hundreds of millions, to prevent another Holocaust?

I believe this "Munich" could be as useful as the Elders of Zion for Islamist propoganda. See what their own have to say about Israel?

21 posted on 01/22/2006 4:15:33 PM PST by Mamzelle
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To: wagglebee

So not buying into Spielberg's attempt to draw a moral equivalence between terrorists who target/murder innocent civilians and a nation that kills terrorists in self-defense is now an "extremist" position in his feeble brain?


22 posted on 01/22/2006 4:16:49 PM PST by Mr. Mojo
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To: Mamzelle

You make some good points about "Schindler's List." If nothing else, you should watch the opening segment of "Private Ryan," it is the most realistic depiction of battle that has ever been filmed.


23 posted on 01/22/2006 4:18:06 PM PST by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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To: wagglebee

I used to enjoy visiting his mother's kosher restaurant in west L.A.

Never again!


24 posted on 01/22/2006 4:18:20 PM PST by Alouette (Learned Mother of Zion)
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To: wagglebee
Spielberg apparently blames Israel for putting Jews at risk worldwide. His moral equivalency is, pathetically, too common in Hollywood.

He has no cujones. His movie should be respelled "M'eunuch'".

25 posted on 01/22/2006 4:18:43 PM PST by melt (Someday, they'll wish their Jihad... Jihadn't.)
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To: wagglebee

It's extremist to equate the killers of the Israeli Olympic athletes with the Mossad agents who paid them back. Spielberg has a comic book view of the World.


26 posted on 01/22/2006 4:21:02 PM PST by popdonnelly
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To: wagglebee
The Olympics should have been canceled after what happened. It didn't even matter who won or lost afterwords.
27 posted on 01/22/2006 4:21:25 PM PST by John Lenin
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To: wagglebee
Looks like Stevie can't handle a little criticism....spent a little too much time on the Hollywood pedestal.
28 posted on 01/22/2006 4:21:36 PM PST by SAMS (Nobody loves a soldier until the enemy is at the gate; Army Wife & Marine Mom)
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To: wagglebee

The best way to end war and ensure peace is to kill the enemy.


29 posted on 01/22/2006 4:23:02 PM PST by MrBambaLaMamba (Buy 'Allah' brand urinal cakes - If you can't kill the enemy at least you can piss on their god)
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To: wagglebee
Spielberg is wrong: the critics are not extremist. Of course he doesn't understand what makes "24" so popular: sometimes extreme measures are driven by a moral calculus. If they weren't, the rest of us would be dead. What the Israelis did is not a crime, not in any world in which justice is the reason the perpetrators, like the Palestinian terrorist leaders who sent their minions to murder innocent Israeli athletes, were held accountable for their deeds. So that can't be overlooked. The context of an act has to be taken into consideration and in his movie, Spielberg doesn't do that. Then again, what can one expect of a filmmaker who thought the hours he spent with Fidel Castro "were the most important of his life?" Us critics see the Israeli action after Munich, and America's actions in the post-9/11 world with a very different set of eyes than the Hollywood Left.

(Denny Crane: "I Don't Want To Socialize With A Pinko Liberal Democrat Commie. Say What You Like About Republicans. We Stick To Our Convictions. Even When We Know We're Dead Wrong.")

30 posted on 01/22/2006 4:23:39 PM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: John Lenin

I disagree. Why let terrorists dictate whether or not the olympics should be held. By cancelling them after that incident they would have claimed they won.


31 posted on 01/22/2006 4:25:09 PM PST by sabe@q.com (Yes, I'm a SW freak!)
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To: wagglebee

TV Headsup for the forum..."Munich" documentary TONIGHT (Sunday) on
The Discovery Channel at 10PM Eastern:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1562354/posts


32 posted on 01/22/2006 4:25:18 PM PST by VOA
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To: wagglebee

Any Eagle Scout who would turn on the BSA is someone who can't be trusted. In addition, Spielberg a soft, spineless coward.


33 posted on 01/22/2006 4:28:27 PM PST by PeoplesRepublicOfWashington (How long do we have to pretend that Democrats are patriots?)
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To: Alouette

don't visit the sins of the son on the mother! she's delightful, and so is her restaurant.


34 posted on 01/22/2006 4:31:20 PM PST by avital2
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To: wagglebee
I haven't seen "Schindler's List;" I have seen "Private Ryan." "Private Ryan" was one of the most emotionally shattering movies I've ever seen, and it should have won Best Picture.

I saw "Munich" a couple of weeks ago; I thought it was a too long, but a fine movie, from a dramatic point of view. I don't think the events portrayed in the movie were probably terribly accurate, but it was a work of fiction, not a documentary.

"Braveheart," which is far and away one of my all-time favorites, is full of inaccuracies, but I didn't think the historical inaccuracies detracted from the movie itself.

Anyone going to see "Munich" who thinks they're going to see an accurate portrayal of events is probably going to be very disappointed; anyone who goes to see it thinking they will see a highly dramatic movie will probably not be disappointed.

35 posted on 01/22/2006 4:33:10 PM PST by Uncle Vlad
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To: Uncle Vlad
Spielberg is good at creative fiction. That all Munich happens to be.

(Denny Crane: "I Don't Want To Socialize With A Pinko Liberal Democrat Commie. Say What You Like About Republicans. We Stick To Our Convictions. Even When We Know We're Dead Wrong.")

36 posted on 01/22/2006 4:35:39 PM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: jimbo123

How about Understanding Saddam Hussein, Mullamar Omar/Taliban, Kim Jong-Il, or Hugo Chavez? The left adores them too.


37 posted on 01/22/2006 4:39:19 PM PST by Ptarmigan (Proud bunny hater and killer)
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To: marajade

The coverage shifted away from the Olympics to all the details of what happened. It was a huge black cloud that overshadowed everything.


38 posted on 01/22/2006 4:40:28 PM PST by John Lenin
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To: wagglebee
I'm reading One Day in September by Simon Reeve....

Has anyone read this?....your opinion

39 posted on 01/22/2006 4:40:30 PM PST by Guenevere
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To: wagglebee
"Should you leave the debate to the great over-simplifiers?"

Asked the Great Over-Simplifier.

The leftist twit routinely collapses decades of complex history into 200 minutes or less of liberal pabulum on celluloid. And he dares lecture others about being "over-simplifiers"?

40 posted on 01/22/2006 4:40:31 PM PST by JCEccles
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To: Mamzelle
I feel a desire on Spielberg's part that Jews are and should be sanctified by victimization, and any move toward righteous self-defense threatens that sanctification.

Spot on Mamzelle, and precisely the reason he'd never make a film about the Warsaw Ghetto Uprising. The "Jews as victims" position gives Spielberg and his leftwing ilk comfort, and a strong Israel (or armed Jews in general) does quite the opposite.

41 posted on 01/22/2006 4:40:33 PM PST by Mr. Mojo
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To: wagglebee
The Stones have already contributed the soundtrack . Spielberg mine as well make the movie already ''Sympathy for the devil''!
42 posted on 01/22/2006 4:44:20 PM PST by Bush gal in LA
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To: wagglebee
These critics are acting as if we were all missing a moral compass.

Nope, only you Stevie, you liberal schmuck! Face it. You have two suck vies in a row and are a bottomfeeder!

43 posted on 01/22/2006 4:48:25 PM PST by Bommer (Ted Kennedy - Fat, drunk and stupid is no way to go through life!)
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To: John Lenin
Acccording to the book I'm reading (see my previous post)...

..many athletes left the games in disgust when Avery Brundage (head of the Olympic Committee) decided to carry on ....

..Many thought the games should be discontinued, but he wanted to go forward.

For obvious reasons, Mark Spitz, the American gold medal swimmer, left immediately for safety reasons.

As far as I can tell, even though this author gives some insight to the terrorists and presents some level of 'their side'....I'm not reading this as pro-terrorist, anti Israeli....not at all.

Wondering if anyone else has read this.

My esteem for Meir, and the Mossad is unwavering.

One of the reviews I read of this book is that it's a good refutation to Speilberg's Munich

44 posted on 01/22/2006 4:49:34 PM PST by Guenevere
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To: wagglebee
"Munich" was blasted by some US Jewish commentators who accused Spielberg of equating the Israeli assassins with the Palestinian militants. "

I have not yet seen the movie. I don't really know what the movie says or does not say, I would have to see it myself to decide.

It is probably thought provoking, as were "Schindlers List" and "Saving Private Ryan". Spielberg is pretty good, as far as filmmakers go.

As to the topic...people forget how troubling the issue was at the time.
Many people here in the USA applauded the "hits", but many others had a different reaction,and were not so approving of a foreign government directing the "death penalty" for targeted individuals.
Does any nation have the sovereign "right" to send its covert agents into other countries to murder those criminals they deem most in need of capitol punishment? Without the expressed consent of the other country?
Who has the final moral and legal authority?
There was also the lamentable erroneous murder of one individual, who was entirely innocent of the "crime" for which he was "executed" by the Israelis.As for my opinion at the time, I naively thought it "obviously justified", and wished my own country would openly pursue direct retribution, in a similar manner. After a time, and with a bit more maturity, I decided I was wrong. Do I think all terrorists deserve the death penalty? Yes! Do you think I would meekly allow a foreign nation to send in foreign agents to conduct public executions on USA soil of whoever they have "designated" a terrorist, or have tried and convicted by their nations laws, and sentenced to death? No.
45 posted on 01/22/2006 5:01:16 PM PST by sarasmom
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To: Hildy

That's an awful question on so many levels. There is a vast difference between indiscriminate hatred and violence perpetrated towards a person for their lifestyle or ethnic heritage (Spielberg doesn't show us the soft sides of Nazis, does he)and violence perpetrated for the supposed intention of liberating a people.

If a movie was made detailing the family life of a person who kills gay people for fun, I'm sure it would be accepted by many people if the movie was not some single-minded finger pointing session. After all, not every wack job comes from a disfunctional family.

Simply looking at the other side of an arguement is not a Liberal ploy intent on destroying America...nor is having feelings of resentment and guilt about blowing away the floor of an apartment building becasue one man is on your hit list. Correct me if I'm wrong, but the terrorists do get killed.


46 posted on 01/22/2006 5:04:07 PM PST by Lochlainnach (Rifle man's stalkin the sick and lame; preacher man seeks the same, who gets there 1st is uncertain)
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To: Hildy

That, Lady, is an excellent analogy.


47 posted on 01/22/2006 5:06:22 PM PST by Mr Rogers
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To: Uncle Vlad
I seem to remember "Downfall" being the target of similar criticism that is now being directed against "Munich".

Saw both, and didn't agree with the critics in either case.

Seems to me that if you're getting your history from dramas, you've got about as much sense as a Private at Ranger Battalion who decides to argue with his Platoon Sergeant 'cause that's the way they do it in "Saving Private Ryan".

48 posted on 01/22/2006 5:08:52 PM PST by Hoplite
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To: LibFreeOrDie

Well, some of the people critisizing the movie are probably extremists, but, of course, not all.

I don't think Senor Spielbergo intends to say (and let's be truthful here, it was Tony Kushner, not Spielberg, who wrote the script) that the terrorists aren't extreme. What he is saying is that they are human--which doesn't justify there violent actions, but should at least make us pause for a nanosecond before we embark on a long long mission of assassination.


49 posted on 01/22/2006 5:10:09 PM PST by Lochlainnach (Rifle man's stalkin the sick and lame; preacher man seeks the same, who gets there 1st is uncertain)
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To: sarasmom
Does any nation have the sovereign "right" to send its covert agents into other countries to murder those criminals they deem most in need of capitol punishment? Without the expressed consent of the other country? Who has the final moral and legal authority?

When the foreign countries pointedly REFUSE to put those criminals on trial, and when the crimes were committed against citizens of one nation, then that nation most definitely has the right to take action to defend itself and its citizens. Germany COULD have put the surviving terrorists on trial, but chose not to. In doing so, they waived their right.

50 posted on 01/22/2006 5:12:17 PM PST by Mr Rogers
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