Skip to comments.Heroic USA hold Italy
Posted on 06/18/2006 6:15:23 AM PDT by Berlin_Freeper
A heroic defensive display by nine-man USA held Italy to a 1-1 draw in Kaiserslauten in their Group E clash on Saturday.
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I was gonna watch the world cup soccor match, but I decided to watch paint dry instead.
US ranked higher than 3 time world champions Italy in soccer? Somehow, I doubt that.
The referee ruined the game being overquick on the draw in shppting out red cards.
"Italy played with a 1 man disadvantage in part of the game?"
Eh? I'm pretty sure the USA were playing a man short for longer than Italy were...
You joined FreeRepublic today just so you can tell us how smart you are?
"US ranked higher than 3 time world champions Italy in soccer? Somehow, I doubt that."
USA are ranked 5th in the Fifa official rankings, Italy 13th.
It was a terrible reffing game...three out on red cards...it ruined the whole game for both sides...US was doing well....we CAN win...
"The referee ruined the game being overquick on the draw in shppting out red cards."
I disagree actually. The first red card was an absolute no-brainer - he looked for McBride and elbowed him square in the face. The first USA one I thought was harsh in first sight but, watching the replay, it was high with both feet off the ground, could easily have broken the guy's ankle. The second USA one (Pope?), he had been penalised a number of times, so that was just persistant offending.
The Uruguayan referee was sidelined by his own Soccer federation for undeclared "irregularities" just a few years back. The USA has a mediocre team, but it sure looked like the fix was in.
Look at yesterday anyway you want.
We (USA) have still yet to score a goal. Two games and not once in the back of the net.
Our team simply cannot finish - and that's our weakness.
Correct. USA had two sent off with red cards.
FIFA rankings are done by a machine that doesn't represent reality.
Italy is a world power. The US is a young soccer nation with emerging talent.
It WAS a heroic effort by the US. And it deserves that recognition.
I think you are the one in need of some remedial soccer education. The US had a great game yesterday. They created lots of chances including several while playing with only nine men.
As for the rankings you cite in a separate post, they are bogus. Anyone who ranks the US ahead of Italy (or England or Portugal) needs to reexamine their rating method. For realistic rankings check out World Football Elo Ratings. (Scroll to the middle of the page for the rankings.)
In addition, the 1st USA Red Card was bull crap, it should have been a Yellow. That call was a makeup call, pure and simple. Again, I'm no "soccerphile", just some dumb American with a limited knowledge of soccer who watched the game.
BTW, Germany's going to win the Cup. You can take that to the bank.
(oops... I don't know anything about soccer, forget I said that)
I could not believe the 2nd red card...
I used to play soccer and actually got a red card one time, but I had to punch someone in the nose to get it.
Simply slide tackling a guy (after making contact with the ball) is a yellow card offense at best.
So Italy played with a one man advantage for much longer than the US and they didn't score then either - I guess that wasn't heroic.
"FIFA rankings are done by a machine that doesn't represent reality."
"Anyone who ranks the US ahead of Italy (or England or Portugal) needs to reexamine their rating method."
This is true to a certain extent. However, the rankings actually do seem more accurate than people usually credit. If you follow a simple method of betting on the higher ranked team in each match in a World Cup, this method will usually show a profit - conclusion, the rankings are more accurate than people's perceptions of which are the best teams generally are. A lot of the time, the traditional footballing powers tend to be overrated in the popular perception.
FWIW, I personally rank the USA superior to Portugal at this present moment and don't think that it's at all a given that Italy or England are better either.
We're still yet to win a world cup match in Europe. Unless we beat Ghana and Italy beats the Czechs, we are done. According to all the hype, this is supposed to be the "best American team ever". Two games and not one goal of our own-doesn't look too impressive to me.
"For realistic rankings check out World Football Elo Ratings. (Scroll to the middle of the page for the rankings.)"
The Vatican play one friendly match against a club side 4 years ago and get ranked above Niue, Bhutan, Tibet, Kiribati, Eastern Samoa, Guam and Palau?!
There are no 'heroics' in sports.
I am a fan and I happen to know that many teams do not score, man advantage or not. Plenty of 0-0 games to be found in many leagues. It's hard for many Americans to enjoy soccer because it is very much a defensive game. As one of my coach friends puts it - "first don't let them score." As he is a division 1 NCAA coach with a winning record, I take his advice seriously.
Is Ghana that good? Or did the Czechs have a let down after beating the US?
Ghana was African champion... they are that good.
One of the Czech's best players didn't play - he's a 6'8" striker named Koller. As I recall he got hurt playing vs USA (hamstring?).
So the Italians are in for a fight. How does the US match up against Ghana?
That's just a scratch.
There was a guy playing hockey last night for Carolina with a BROKEN NECK.
" Is Ghana that good? Or did the Czechs have a let down after beating the US?"
Both, IMO. Ghana, along with the Ivory Coast, are the best of the African teams. Ghana seem to lack a top quality striker. Actually, if Didier Drogba happened to be Ghanian, they would be a very serious team.
Looked like it hurt to me. I know head wounds bleed, but getting an elbow to the face like that just can't be good for you.
yeah and how long did he roll on the ground?
like I said, that's just a scratch to Erik Cole's broken neck that he was skating around with last night in Edmonton.
If you watched the game, and saw the skill and athleticism required, you wouldn't say "pathetic draw." That said, everyone has their own taste in sports. For my part I consider baseball boring. Any sport that could have a hog like Babe Ruth (who smoked) as their best player, can't be extreme.
I'm not familiar with the teams fielded by these folks. Elo was a mathatician who created a rating system for chess, but it transfers to any game with three possible outcomes. The soccer ratings it produces seem pretty accurate to me.
There are some problems of course. Chess players do play more games than soccer teams. In the chess world one gets a "provisional" rating until he has played 16 rated games. National Soccer teams have players coming and going all the time, and 16 games which is a beginning in chess is sometimes more than a lifetime in international soccer.
McBride didn't roll on the ground at all as I recall. That was for the Italians who thought they were at an Olympic diving match, not a soccer game. The one thing about soccer that drives me crazy is that plenty of teams specialize in acting. I mean Oscar level stuff. Touch them when the ref is looking and they fall down screaming in pain. Bah humbug.