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Heroic USA hold Italy
Eurosport ^ | 6/18/06 | Reda Maher

Posted on 06/18/2006 6:15:23 AM PDT by Berlin_Freeper

A heroic defensive display by nine-man USA held Italy to a 1-1 draw in Kaiserslauten in their Group E clash on Saturday.

(Excerpt) Read more at eurosport.com ...


TOPICS: Sports
KEYWORDS: fifa; football; soccer; usteam; worldcup
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Here is an example of the great coverage the USA Team has gotten from last night's success in the World Cup. Eurosport is the biggest sports channel in the EU with different language versions.
1 posted on 06/18/2006 6:15:24 AM PDT by Berlin_Freeper
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To: Berlin_Freeper

I was gonna watch the world cup soccor match, but I decided to watch paint dry instead.


3 posted on 06/18/2006 6:25:44 AM PDT by Huck (Hey look, I'm still here.)
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To: soccerphile

Pardon?
US ranked higher than 3 time world champions Italy in soccer? Somehow, I doubt that.

The referee ruined the game being overquick on the draw in shppting out red cards.


5 posted on 06/18/2006 6:27:30 AM PDT by voletti (Awareness and Equanimity.)
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To: soccerphile

"Italy played with a 1 man disadvantage in part of the game?"

Eh? I'm pretty sure the USA were playing a man short for longer than Italy were...


6 posted on 06/18/2006 6:27:38 AM PDT by Canard
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To: soccerphile

You joined FreeRepublic today just so you can tell us how smart you are?


7 posted on 06/18/2006 6:28:04 AM PDT by Labyrinthos
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To: voletti

"US ranked higher than 3 time world champions Italy in soccer? Somehow, I doubt that."

USA are ranked 5th in the Fifa official rankings, Italy 13th.


8 posted on 06/18/2006 6:29:00 AM PDT by Canard
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To: Labyrinthos

Sniff?!
Perhaps?


9 posted on 06/18/2006 6:30:43 AM PDT by RandallFlagg (Roll your own cigarettes! You'll save $$$ and smoke less!(Magnetic bumper stickers-click my name)
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To: Labyrinthos

It was a terrible reffing game...three out on red cards...it ruined the whole game for both sides...US was doing well....we CAN win...


10 posted on 06/18/2006 6:32:19 AM PDT by Youngman442002
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To: voletti

"The referee ruined the game being overquick on the draw in shppting out red cards."

I disagree actually. The first red card was an absolute no-brainer - he looked for McBride and elbowed him square in the face. The first USA one I thought was harsh in first sight but, watching the replay, it was high with both feet off the ground, could easily have broken the guy's ankle. The second USA one (Pope?), he had been penalised a number of times, so that was just persistant offending.


11 posted on 06/18/2006 6:32:48 AM PDT by Canard
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To: voletti

The Uruguayan referee was sidelined by his own Soccer federation for undeclared "irregularities" just a few years back. The USA has a mediocre team, but it sure looked like the fix was in.


12 posted on 06/18/2006 6:33:39 AM PDT by gaspar
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To: soccerphile

Look at yesterday anyway you want.

We (USA) have still yet to score a goal. Two games and not once in the back of the net.

Our team simply cannot finish - and that's our weakness.


14 posted on 06/18/2006 6:35:13 AM PDT by Jake The Goose
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To: Canard
...Eh? I'm pretty sure the USA were playing a man short for longer than Italy were... ...

Correct. USA had two sent off with red cards.

15 posted on 06/18/2006 6:35:46 AM PDT by FReepaholic (Why aren't lawyers ever accused of price gouging?)
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To: Canard

FIFA rankings are done by a machine that doesn't represent reality.

Italy is a world power. The US is a young soccer nation with emerging talent.

It WAS a heroic effort by the US. And it deserves that recognition.


18 posted on 06/18/2006 6:39:05 AM PDT by romanesq (.)
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To: soccerphile
hey idiot

I think you are the one in need of some remedial soccer education. The US had a great game yesterday. They created lots of chances including several while playing with only nine men.

As for the rankings you cite in a separate post, they are bogus. Anyone who ranks the US ahead of Italy (or England or Portugal) needs to reexamine their rating method. For realistic rankings check out World Football Elo Ratings. (Scroll to the middle of the page for the rankings.)

ML/NJ

20 posted on 06/18/2006 6:41:35 AM PDT by ml/nj
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To: soccerphile
I'm no 'soccerphile', but as I recall from watching yesterday the USA had two players get a Red Card to Italy's one. (So much for your "10 men each")

In addition, the 1st USA Red Card was bull crap, it should have been a Yellow. That call was a makeup call, pure and simple. Again, I'm no "soccerphile", just some dumb American with a limited knowledge of soccer who watched the game.

BTW, Germany's going to win the Cup. You can take that to the bank.

(oops... I don't know anything about soccer, forget I said that)

21 posted on 06/18/2006 6:42:19 AM PDT by Condor51 (Better to fight for something than live for nothing - Gen. George S. Patton)
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To: Berlin_Freeper

I could not believe the 2nd red card...

I used to play soccer and actually got a red card one time, but I had to punch someone in the nose to get it.

Simply slide tackling a guy (after making contact with the ball) is a yellow card offense at best.


23 posted on 06/18/2006 6:45:50 AM PDT by Paloma_55 (I may be a hateful bigot, but I still love you)
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To: soccerphile

So Italy played with a one man advantage for much longer than the US and they didn't score then either - I guess that wasn't heroic.


25 posted on 06/18/2006 6:49:08 AM PDT by RKV ( He who has the guns, makes the rules.)
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To: romanesq; ml/nj

"FIFA rankings are done by a machine that doesn't represent reality."

"Anyone who ranks the US ahead of Italy (or England or Portugal) needs to reexamine their rating method."

This is true to a certain extent. However, the rankings actually do seem more accurate than people usually credit. If you follow a simple method of betting on the higher ranked team in each match in a World Cup, this method will usually show a profit - conclusion, the rankings are more accurate than people's perceptions of which are the best teams generally are. A lot of the time, the traditional footballing powers tend to be overrated in the popular perception.

FWIW, I personally rank the USA superior to Portugal at this present moment and don't think that it's at all a given that Italy or England are better either.


26 posted on 06/18/2006 6:50:43 AM PDT by Canard
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To: Berlin_Freeper

We're still yet to win a world cup match in Europe. Unless we beat Ghana and Italy beats the Czechs, we are done. According to all the hype, this is supposed to be the "best American team ever". Two games and not one goal of our own-doesn't look too impressive to me.


27 posted on 06/18/2006 6:52:35 AM PDT by 91B (God made man, Sam Colt made men equal)
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To: Berlin_Freeper
The 'own goal' was a forced error in the Goal Area by Italy after pressure from the USA. It was entertaning to watch and the result was about fair. Congratulations USA for holding Italy one of Europes premier soccer nations to a draw.
28 posted on 06/18/2006 6:54:30 AM PDT by Brit1 ( Not by Strength by Guile.)
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To: ml/nj

"For realistic rankings check out World Football Elo Ratings. (Scroll to the middle of the page for the rankings.)"

The Vatican play one friendly match against a club side 4 years ago and get ranked above Niue, Bhutan, Tibet, Kiribati, Eastern Samoa, Guam and Palau?!


29 posted on 06/18/2006 6:55:08 AM PDT by Canard
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To: Berlin_Freeper

There are no 'heroics' in sports.


32 posted on 06/18/2006 6:58:59 AM PDT by wtc911 (You can't get there from here)
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To: Canard
Looks more like a barfight than soccer to me.
33 posted on 06/18/2006 6:59:15 AM PDT by RKV ( He who has the guns, makes the rules.)
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To: Jake The Goose
SOCCER IS FOR GAYS. SOCCER IS A SOCIALIST PLOT. SOCCER IS BORING. ooops sorry i got caught up in the usual mood of these threads. (no i'm not attacking you JTG).
I think you are right, the US needs to score goals if it wants to win (now i sound like one of those NFL guys who says...If so and so wants to win today they need to put more points on the board the the other guys)
Anyway, I was quite surprised at how the USA played yesterday. I thought the came out hitting hard and it's a shame they just can't score some more points. What do you think will happen against Ghana?
34 posted on 06/18/2006 6:59:18 AM PDT by freedom moose (has de cultivar el que sembres)
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To: soccerphile; Berlin_Freeper
Mench, sei nett zu Freeper_Berlin.

No, need to act like the boorish European Fussball fan. So, be nice. BTW, the ref sucked so do hush. I won't point out that the US played with one man down the last half. Oops, I just now did. ;)

Berlin_Freeper do you know anything about this?
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1650589/posts
35 posted on 06/18/2006 7:03:11 AM PDT by Chgogal (The US Military fights for Freedom of the Press while the NYT lies about the Military and cowers...)
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To: soccerphile

I am a fan and I happen to know that many teams do not score, man advantage or not. Plenty of 0-0 games to be found in many leagues. It's hard for many Americans to enjoy soccer because it is very much a defensive game. As one of my coach friends puts it - "first don't let them score." As he is a division 1 NCAA coach with a winning record, I take his advice seriously.


36 posted on 06/18/2006 7:04:17 AM PDT by RKV ( He who has the guns, makes the rules.)
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Ghana beating the czechs. now THAT was heroic.

Is Ghana that good? Or did the Czechs have a let down after beating the US?

37 posted on 06/18/2006 7:05:36 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: RKV
And here's why this game was heroic. McBride played on after this. IIRC it took stiches to close the wound.

38 posted on 06/18/2006 7:07:25 AM PDT by RKV ( He who has the guns, makes the rules.)
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Ghana was African champion... they are that good.


40 posted on 06/18/2006 7:09:50 AM PDT by austinTparty
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One of the Czech's best players didn't play - he's a 6'8" striker named Koller. As I recall he got hurt playing vs USA (hamstring?).


41 posted on 06/18/2006 7:09:57 AM PDT by RKV ( He who has the guns, makes the rules.)
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To: soccerphile

So the Italians are in for a fight. How does the US match up against Ghana?


42 posted on 06/18/2006 7:10:33 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: RKV

That's just a scratch.

There was a guy playing hockey last night for Carolina with a BROKEN NECK.


43 posted on 06/18/2006 7:10:41 AM PDT by MikefromOhio (aka MikeinIraq - Foreman of the NAU)
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" Is Ghana that good? Or did the Czechs have a let down after beating the US?"

Both, IMO. Ghana, along with the Ivory Coast, are the best of the African teams. Ghana seem to lack a top quality striker. Actually, if Didier Drogba happened to be Ghanian, they would be a very serious team.


44 posted on 06/18/2006 7:11:10 AM PDT by Canard
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Yeah! A draw! Everyone's a winner!

Pathetic. Soccer is for weird foreigners, poor people, and communists.

Soccer was invented by European ladies to keep them busy while their husbands did the cooking ~Hank Hill
45 posted on 06/18/2006 7:11:45 AM PDT by motzman (zoom-zoom)
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To: MikefromOhio

Looked like it hurt to me. I know head wounds bleed, but getting an elbow to the face like that just can't be good for you.


46 posted on 06/18/2006 7:13:25 AM PDT by RKV ( He who has the guns, makes the rules.)
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To: RKV

yeah and how long did he roll on the ground?

like I said, that's just a scratch to Erik Cole's broken neck that he was skating around with last night in Edmonton.


47 posted on 06/18/2006 7:14:21 AM PDT by MikefromOhio (aka MikeinIraq - Foreman of the NAU)
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To: motzman

If you watched the game, and saw the skill and athleticism required, you wouldn't say "pathetic draw." That said, everyone has their own taste in sports. For my part I consider baseball boring. Any sport that could have a hog like Babe Ruth (who smoked) as their best player, can't be extreme.


48 posted on 06/18/2006 7:16:32 AM PDT by RKV ( He who has the guns, makes the rules.)
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To: Canard
ranked above Niue, Bhutan, Tibet, Kiribati, Eastern Samoa, Guam and Palau?!

I'm not familiar with the teams fielded by these folks. Elo was a mathatician who created a rating system for chess, but it transfers to any game with three possible outcomes. The soccer ratings it produces seem pretty accurate to me.

There are some problems of course. Chess players do play more games than soccer teams. In the chess world one gets a "provisional" rating until he has played 16 rated games. National Soccer teams have players coming and going all the time, and 16 games which is a beginning in chess is sometimes more than a lifetime in international soccer.

ML/NJ

49 posted on 06/18/2006 7:18:07 AM PDT by ml/nj
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To: MikefromOhio

McBride didn't roll on the ground at all as I recall. That was for the Italians who thought they were at an Olympic diving match, not a soccer game. The one thing about soccer that drives me crazy is that plenty of teams specialize in acting. I mean Oscar level stuff. Touch them when the ref is looking and they fall down screaming in pain. Bah humbug.


50 posted on 06/18/2006 7:19:50 AM PDT by RKV ( He who has the guns, makes the rules.)
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