“Youths” Kick Man to Death on Crowded Antwerp Bus

The Brussels Journal ^ | June 26, 2006 | Paul Belien

[Vectorian]

'I make a damn fine pot of tea. Perfect scones, too. ;-)'

Bet you don't put the milk in first! :D

[Vectorian]

'If you think that the DOJ is simply making them up for the purposes of making Britain look bad, then that's up to you.'

No, but I do think it's massaging them to make itself look better to it's citizens. That's what my govt does and I'm pretty sure yours does too, that's whay I never quote govt figures from either side!

[Vectorian]

That's it - I'm out of here. It's gone 7pm and I'm still in my office - the curse of the small business owner! Nighty-night!

[roofgoat]

OK, rethinking here, maybe 20 ft I don't shoot. Finger on the trigger pointing his way though.

One move forward then I squeeze.

[processing please hold]

I keep my bayonet on my at all times. I use 180 gr. power point cartridges. As far as the ammo cost, ours just went up a few months ago. Too expensive just to pling bottles and cans.

Anyone stupid enough to take on a 6'2" 220lb ex-soldier wielding a ten round SMLE with a knife deserves that extra few feet.

I used to be 5'5", until osteoporosis started rearing it's head. It's none of your business about my weight. :-) But, suffice it to say, I'm not a small woman. I'll shoot first and should they find themselves prone on the ground, I might poke 'em for good measure.

[Sisku Hanne]

Milk only with a lesser quality black tea. And first only if I haven't minded the temperature of my water, because adding cool milk into hot water can make "curdley bits".
But no milk or lemon with a good Assam, or a white or green tea.
There are few things in life as satisfying as a perfect pot of tea, so these days I treat myself to the best I can and let it stand on its own merit.

[ishabibble]

Well tony, it's pretty much the same here. If you're taking the bus, chances are it's not because the Mercedes is in the shop! Paul Simon sings about, "...the poorer quarters where the ragged people go, searching for the places only they would know...". I remember the bus culture, and it was not only disheartening, it was often dangerous.

Having said that, I still say that 30 people should not have let this innocent man die. 30 people up against a few punks? One of the most important lessons I ever got was in a schoolyard and it was that a bully is nothing more than a coward, and if you push back, the bully always runs away. I've found that bit to be one of the truest things in life.

If the 30 that ran away are Muslim, then my contempt is all the greater. Why don't they ever ever ever stand up on their hind legs? I am sick unto death of the Muslims and I wouldn't be surprised in the least to find that they stood and did nothing while a man was murdered before their eyes.


I read your bio, so I think you know far better than I do exactly how much trouble Europe is facing...and ignoring.

[rudabaga]

"Remember, you live in NY."

Exactly!

[Joan Kerrey]

the folks here deal with rowdy kids better.

Probably so but it doesn't take much to reverse that. All that's needed is for you to fail to deal with it once and it grows to the point that it's not correctable without drastic action like police riding on the buses and making arrests.

[my_pointy_head_is_sharp]

There's no way that I, as a woman, could take on 6 Muslim youths. Does that make me a candyass? I've certainly got the mentality to want to intervene, but really, there's no way I could. If someone were to attack me, I'd be dead.

To all of you macho guys throwing the word 'candyass' around, 1 guy against 6 youths is really lopsided. Sorry to tell you this, but you're going to get your a$$ kicked.

It's possible that the passengers who ran off the bus were elderly or women. And if not, I still don't see how you can condemn them. The one guy who intervened, Guido, got beaten to death. That could be you.

[L98Fiero]

It was 40 passengers against 6 un-armed thugs. That's over 6 passengers for each punk. There's nothing in the article that even hints at the possibility that the passengers were elderly. I read about women fighting off and injuring atttackers every day.

You need not fear, If you are being assaulted in sight of me, I will help you. How would you feel about a crowd of people fleeing as some punks beat you to death? Well, odds are you'll never have to worry about that because of people like me and the others you chastize on this thread. Our willingness to act makes you safer.

You are welcome.

[stevio]

I agree. I couldn't have helped this guy out by myself either in that country. This isn't the first time this happened over there and I seriously doubt that there weren't a few guys that could've jumped in. I would hope that it would be different in this country. At least here I got my posse with me, Smith and Wesson.

[my_pointy_head_is_sharp]

the others you chastize on this thread

I'm not chastising anyone. I'm saying that those passengers shouldn't be criticized for not acting. Remember, the one passenger who intervened got beaten to death. 6 against 1. You really think you could take on 6 youths?

[Blueflag]

Joan -- Here in Atlanta, the MARTA buses DO have MARTA officers on many of them, as do the trains. Despite local whining, MARTA is quite safe. The officers do make arrests. We don't call that drastic, we call that law enforcement. ;-)

FWIW, the school kids ride school buses.

[brazzaville]

Good afternoon.
"And last month at my friends farm in MO I shot so much buckshot and 30/30 ammo, my shoulder got sore."

Well, I don't know about you, but just reading that made me feel better.

Michael Frazier

[ThisLittleLightofMine]

I can assure you that being female, I would never abandon someone to their death as they were beating senseless by youths. Over 30 people on this bus....left this man to die, I'm certain that 30 could take on 6 muslim youths. In addition to this I never would use the term Candy_ _ _, it is vulger. I am STILL sickened that people would abandon a man beating beaten to his death and you should be too.

[Hot Tabasco]

Remember, the one passenger who intervened got beaten to death. 6 against 1. You really think you could take on 6 youths?

Absolutely not! But the 30 passengers who fled the bus could have.......FWIW, had 6 of the cowards taken a stand then it is quite likely they would have had company.......

[Hot Tabasco]

I can only guess that in America you do not have gangs of youth beating up individuals.

Not that you read about. The most popular crime now a days is drive by shootings in the BIG cities that are dominated by socialists such as here in Detroit. However, we here in Michigan now have "Shall issue" laws which entitle me and every other law abiding citizen the right to carry a concealed firearm.

heres a link for you to check out if you are so confident that Americans don't mean business.

The Armed Citizen

[359Henrie]

Tony, I like our Olympic shooting team do not have to leave the country to practice. Gangs here do take a chance.

[Gefreiter]

It doesn't make you a candyass to retreat before superior force. Six against one- yeah, you're gonna die if the attackers want to kill you.

But it wasn't six on one. It was six on thirty-one. And thirty ran.

That's not only despicable, it's disgusting.

But I guess it's too "macho" for a group that size to defend itself.