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Can we win the War on Terror as long as Iran and Syria remain unscathed?

Posted on 07/22/2006 9:15:03 PM PDT by jeltz25

Just a simple question for the Freepers out there.

Can we win the war on terror as long as Iran and Syria remain untouched? As long as the Mullahs in Tehran and their friends in Damascus continue to arm, fund, support and train both the terrorists in Iraq and Lebanon as well as provide safe haven for terrorist leaders from Al Qaeda to Hamas, can we really make any meaningful progress in the war on terror?

Why, 5 years after 9/11, has the US and its allies not laid so much as a finger on either of the two linchpins of the terrorist jihad? How much longer will we continue to let them continue this behavior?

Once Iran gets nukes, the game is over and they've won. We may as well pack up and go home.

Is there any logical explanation for our hands off approach to Iran and Syria?


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1 posted on 07/22/2006 9:15:05 PM PDT by jeltz25
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To: jeltz25
As long as the sponsros of terror are free to do so, as long as they do not feel the weight of their own actions, as long as we leave them untouched, we will not win the war on the terror they sponsor and export.

Sooner or later, we will have to cut off the head of the snake.

2 posted on 07/22/2006 9:17:10 PM PDT by Jeff Head (God, family, country)
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To: jeltz25

The war on terror will never end. It is here to stay. As long as there are Muslims there will be terror. It is a reality that many do not want to admit to.


3 posted on 07/22/2006 9:18:05 PM PDT by taxesareforever (Never forget Matt Maupin)
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To: jeltz25
"Why, 5 years after 9/11, has the US and its allies not laid so much as a finger on either of the two linchpins of the terrorist jihad?"

Well remember that there were 5 linchpins of the terrorist jihad. Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, Iran, and the PLO. We've blown up the Taliban, we disposed Saddam, we demanded and got free elections in Palestine. OK, that last one didn't work so well.

But that's not a bad record, especially given the way our own traitorous media has worked against us.

4 posted on 07/22/2006 9:20:03 PM PDT by DannyTN
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To: jeltz25
Check a middle east map. With Iraq and Afghanistan under our control, we have bases within about 500 miles of each other, and Iran in the middle. We're currently involved in a long term struggle. If we accept that Islamists are trying to destroy the West, we are in the position of either toppling the governments without alienating too much of the populace, separating them from their leaders, and trying to establish democracies and Republics that will live peacefully, or turning about 1/3rd of the world into something that resembles the bottom of a shake and bake bag.

Right now, we're trying the former.

5 posted on 07/22/2006 9:21:35 PM PDT by Richard Kimball
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To: jeltz25

No. One of the reasons I favored taking out Iraq was that it put a U.S Army on interior lines between Syria and Iran. Unfortunately, we haven't used that advantage.


6 posted on 07/22/2006 9:21:50 PM PDT by PzLdr ("The Emperor is not as forgiving as I am" - Darth Vader)
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To: Jeff Head

Exactly. If you look at the American Civil War, the conflict didn't end until Sherman went into the deep south, destroyed industry, wrecked the transportation infrastructure and disrupted the region's ability to sustain their troops in the field. Strategic bombing of Iran would dry up world terrorism to the degree of damage done to Iran.


7 posted on 07/22/2006 9:22:23 PM PDT by Brad from Tennessee (Anything a politician gives you he has first stolen from you)
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To: jeltz25

Iran, Syria, Lebanon, Afghanistan, Pakistan, North Korea, Venezuela, Russia, China, Kosovo, Indonesia......seems like we would be spread a little thin.


8 posted on 07/22/2006 9:26:59 PM PDT by Westlander (Unleash the Neutron Bomb)
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To: Brad from Tennessee

Touch or say six to lay a finger on Iran and Syria. Watch your monitor and you will see the countries instantly transformed to your liking. /s


9 posted on 07/22/2006 9:28:08 PM PDT by ClaireSolt (.)
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To: jeltz25
Once Iran gets nukes, the game is over and they've won.

Not necessarily. But it would be best if they didn't. We've been in a Kobuki dance for years. IMO, the Islamic whack-jobs, with Iran in the lead, will ignite the full scale version of WWIII (which we are already into) within a few years. When it comes to this level of warfare, Iran is easily 100+ years behind the USA. This means that Iran get's obliterated, and we get their oil, and the rest are cannon fodder (as per usual). We know that. And Iran knows that too. Are they crazy enough to test the setup? We shall see soon enough.

10 posted on 07/22/2006 9:28:13 PM PDT by Mad_Tom_Rackham (Islamofascism = Evil + Insanity)
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To: jeltz25
No. Destruction of those two states is absolutely necessary.
11 posted on 07/22/2006 9:37:27 PM PDT by gafusa
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To: jeltz25

The Bekaa Valley must be seized and cleared, and the Assads must be forced out.


12 posted on 07/22/2006 9:46:36 PM PDT by marron
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To: jeltz25

You better be worrying bout the saudis


13 posted on 07/22/2006 9:54:17 PM PDT by skaterboy
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To: jeltz25; Jeff Head; Brad from Tennessee
JH: Sooner or later, we will have to cut off the head of the snake.

BFT: Exactly. If you look at the American Civil War, the conflict didn't end until Sherman went into the deep south, destroyed industry, wrecked the transportation infrastructure and disrupted the region's ability to sustain their troops in the field. Strategic bombing of Iran would dry up world terrorism to the degree of damage done to Iran.

HUMINT: your analogy is interesting but sustaining terrorist troops in the field is done with rhetoric and ideology, not conventional logistics. The West facilitates Tehran’s terror masters by inventing and offering off the shelf communication technology. It also facilitates terror troops by offering educational opportunities as well as equal opportunity employment. A free and open society ultimately maintains terrorists in the field indefinitely.

That said, wrecking Syria and Iran’s infrastructure would do several things:

  1. demonstrate that creating and propagating hate rhetoric comes with consequences
  2. establish a level battle field for the organized, democratic opposition
  3. significantly set back Iran’s nuclear program rendering it unlikely to produce and deliver a warhead
  4. dedicate Iran’s petroleum revenue and savings toward infrastructure repairs as opposed to conventional weaponry and installation defense --- who is most likely to earn reconstruction revenue? Germany, France, Russia, China…
  5. temporarily increase anxiety in the region likely leading to more terror attempts in the West.
  6. open the door to lasting peace and regional stability.

Under the current circumstances peace and regional stability are a pipe dream.

14 posted on 07/22/2006 9:57:24 PM PDT by humint (...err the least and endure! --- VDH)
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To: Jeff Head

The longer we wait to change the regime in Iran, the more costly it will be to us in terms of lives. There is a nascent revolutionary movement in Iran that would like to get rid of the Mullahs and have a prosperous secular government. We have to help those people to rise up and change the current regime.

Syria doesn't pose the significant threat to us, and the rest of the world, that Iran does. Change the regime in Iraq, and isolate Syria. That's how I see it.


15 posted on 07/22/2006 10:26:55 PM PDT by Tom Jefferson (Waiting for Islam to reform itself is tantamount to accepting defeat)
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To: jeltz25
When they taught us "American history" they didn't tell us about the dissent and opposition to what in later days would seem to have been logical and popular national decisions
For example...
The anti-Revolutionary colonists in New York, Philadelphia, Boston, etc., The anti-"Civil War" riots in the U.S. North, U.S. organizations that favored the Nazis, etc. etc. etc.

So maybe, in the far future, the history books (will there be books?) will say that America and the West responded bravely and with unity to the Jihad war.

Dry Bones
Israel's Political Comic Strip Since 1973

16 posted on 07/23/2006 12:23:40 AM PDT by mrdrybones (It's WW III, dummy!)
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To: taxesareforever

You are correct. Once we admit the problem, the solution becomes crystal clear. The islamos must go.


17 posted on 07/23/2006 6:50:37 AM PDT by rightwinger49
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To: jeltz25
"Once Iran gets nukes, the game is over and they've won. We may as well pack up and go home."


This is the real problem.....Israel has an estimated 300 nukes. Once the genie
is out of the bottle over there, oil becomes very scarce due to the nuclear war that will break out there. If we are extremely lucky the nutjobs will not be able to smuggle one into a harbor here in America and set it off. I think the chances of this are very high anyway you look at it. We need a Manhattan style program to get us off of oil ASAP. As long as we are in the middle east these pshycos have all the logic they need to get the nukes and use them on us. If we don't need their oil it changes the long term equation. Will the moderate moozies then realize they need to step it up or will they be swallowed by the evil beast and the entire middle east reverts to the 7th century? I say who cares and good riddance. Russia, India, and China then become the next logical target for these wack jobs. Maybe then they will behave as our allies???
18 posted on 07/23/2006 6:54:21 AM PDT by Lonestar_50
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To: gafusa

Yes. Total destruction.


19 posted on 07/23/2006 7:00:47 AM PDT by rightwinger49
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To: Tom Jefferson

The Israeli's, let off the chain, will take care of Syria. We need to level Iran. Now.


20 posted on 07/23/2006 7:04:09 AM PDT by rightwinger49
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