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To: rustbucket
[RB] I took issue with your using the term on an object, not an agenda.

[mac] #590 ] Wallace and many others like him used the Confederate flag as a symbol of their racist agenda in the 1950s & 60s. David Duke is using it today as part of his 'white power' campaign for much the same reason. These historical facts are not in dispute are they?

For the second time, are you disputing the accuracy of this statement?

I wonder who the real race baiters are in this CNN news blurb?

That would be Tucker Carlson… with James Carville defending. You're on pretty weak ground when you have to resort to quoting old Crossfire transcripts to make a point, wouldn't you agree?

Looks like you fall right in with Kerry on this one. Probably on other things too.

Maybe you're just out of ammunition and have to resort to name calling? Or is it just easier to ignore the inconvenient truth if you can demean the messenger?

The Boston riot did involve black kids being bused into white neighborhoods (and maybe vice versa, whites into black neighborhoods).

I have no idea what Boston riot you're talking about. Nothing you've sourced discusses it. You quote a photo caption from an NPR story that said “some rocks were thrown at some black children”. The same story has a photo of a black and white kid shaking hands in the window of a school bus. Try again.

By 1946 75,000-100,000 blacks-at a maximum, 20 percent of those eligible-voted in the [Democrat] primary, compared to 33 percent of whites.

You cherry-picked that statistic. After a decade of trying to overturn the 'whites only' primary election system the Texas NAACP wins a Supreme court case on the matter. In the next election cycle (1946) blacks come out to vote for the first time in a democrat primary. Are you suggesting that blacks in Texas were never disenfranchised after that, or that the 1965 Voting Rights Act was unnecessary?

-btw I recommend reading the entire essay you sourced from the Handbook of Texas History. The first sentence starts out “Racial conflict is a basic feature of Texas history.” and it goes on. Here is one particularly interesting passage.

"Disfranchisement, however, had been under way since the end of Reconstruction. Intimidation, harassment of black leaders, violence (including the lynchingqv of 300 to 500 blacks late in the century), the growth of Jim Crow institutions, repeated efforts by conservative legislators to pass a poll-tax law from 1875 onward, and Democrats' fear of the third parties' biracial appeal culminated in the effective removal of blacks from the electorate. The last of forty-two black Reconstruction-era legislators, Robert L. Smithqv of Colorado County, attended his final sessions in 1897, offering an impassioned resolution on May 4 against lynching. Gerrymandering had cut the numbers of black legislators sharply. Violence had taken a toll on black voter turnout even before the constitution was amended in 1902 to impose the poll tax. But the tax, which fell hardest on those least able to pay, had an independent effect, as did restrictive registration laws mandated in 1903 and 1905, and county Democratic leaders' widespread adoption of the white primary. As nomination by the Democratic party was tantamount to election, the white primary denied most blacks the ballot in state contests. By 1906 African Americans were no longer a significant force in most elections."

Is this the heritage you're so proud of?

The Party took a stand against his action, as I noted in that excerpt from the official party platform.

That'll teach em [lol] I'll bet Jorge & Alberto are quaking in their boots about that. How many days did it take ya'll to draft that important sounding paragraph?

Judging by your posts, you aren't old enough to drive yet.

Judging from your posts you're just another 'lilly white' Republican who ignores 50 years of living history in his own back yard. Face it RB, you can't defend the use of the Confederate flag by racists like Duke and Wallace and their supporters so you attack the person(s) bringing it up.

I have yet to meet a so-called southern conservative on this forum who will admit to ever supporting Wallace. Why is that?

634 posted on 08/24/2006 6:15:11 PM PDT by mac_truck ( Aide toi et dieu l’aidera)
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To: mac_truck
Wallace was a cretin, as I said earlier. I don't condone anything he did or anything Duke does and what they did or do doesn't change my reverence for the flag they misuse or for my ancestors who fought under it.

Do you dispute the accuracy of the CNN report about what Kerry and Sharpton were claiming? Do you support what Kerry's office was putting out?

I have no idea what Boston riot you're talking about. Nothing you've sourced discusses it. You quote a photo caption from an NPR story that said “some rocks were thrown at some black children”.

The picture caption talked about busing black students into white communities as well as rocks being thrown at the black students. The picture above the caption showed police in riot gear escorting black students in buses. But, but, but you had claimed that it was all about white students. Since you didn't get it the first time, here's an excerpt from another article on the subject saying similar things.

What was once a generally idle racial animus between blacks and whites swelled into seething bigotry. [Horrors, mac, there's that bigotry word again!]

When the buses pulled up to high schools in white neighborhoods, police had to escort black teenagers through a gauntlet of thrown rocks and bottles; the students heard shouts of "Die, niggers, die!" and saw signs that read "Bus Them Back to Africa!" [Source: especially to educate mac]

That any clearer? I remember the Boston riots, having earlier lived in both Boston and Cambridge while in college. Also from that article:

Somehow the birthplace of the American Revolution and the abolitionist movement has become perhaps the most segregated city in America.

You cherry-picked that statistic.

Some cherry pick. It disproved your argument. You said that only whites voted in Texas in 1954. My quote showed that blacks were voting in large numbers in 1946. Maybe I should have also pulled up the quote in that article about how Texas black precincts voted in 1932?

I don't deny that blacks were earlier denied the right to vote in the Texas Democrat primary or in earlier general elections. History is history.

Judging from your posts you're just another 'lilly white' Republican who ignores 50 years of living history in his own back yard.

Trying to goad me with "Bubba", "Sheets", and "lilly white"?

I donated food to efforts to help blacks get the vote in Alabama in the 1960s even though they would vote against my Party. What did you do to help them? I argued against segregation in the Deep South in the 1950s. Have you ever put yourself at risk for racial justice like that? Now who is 'lilly white'?

Face it RB, you can't defend the use of the Confederate flag by racists like Duke and Wallace and their supporters so you attack the person(s) bringing it up.

I've never defended their use of the CBF or any of their actions. I can't stop them from using it any more than you can stop the Klan and the Neo-Nazis from using the Stars and Stripes.

I have yet to meet a so-called southern conservative on this forum who will admit to ever supporting Wallace. Why is that?

I work with engineers and scientists in the South, most of them PhDs like myself. Back when Wallace was a minor trash-spouting wannabe national powerhouse, we took a poll among ourselves by secret paper ballot. None of us supported Wallace. None of us supported the Democrat. All of us supported the Republican.

I knew only one person who reportedly voted for Wallace (the wife of one of the engineers).

635 posted on 08/24/2006 9:44:18 PM PDT by rustbucket
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