Posted on 07/27/2006 7:34:56 AM PDT by NapkinUser
regarding post 17
I'm think the same thing about his "miraculous comeback"
It looks like landis broke down and then just made an unbelievable come back.
This story is Breaking News at the top of Fox News' website:
http://www.foxnews.com/
Same for CNN:
http://www.cnn.com/
And MSNBC:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/
ABC:
http://abcnews.go.com/?lid=ABCCOMMenu&lpos=ABCNews
CBS:
http://www.cbsnews.com/
Drudge:
http://www.drudgereport.com/
BBC:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/
AP:
http://www.ap.org/
Rueters:
http://today.reuters.com/news/home.aspx
Fox News, CNN, and MSNBC have several times interrupted their news with "Breaking News" on this story, but of course here on good ol' Free Republic once again one of the mods has a hardon that anything even halfway tangentially related to sports can't be news and must be banished to chat.
Al Qeada could blow up Yankee Stadium and he/she/it would try to move all threads about that to chat.
But of course a hot dog eating contest can stay in Breaking for days. Nice consistency.
No, Landis comeback at Alpe d´Huez just one day after he lost minutes to the new tournament leaders was fishy.
It´s big news for everybody. This is the first time that a tour-winner loses his title afterwards.
He hasn't lost it yet, but it's quite a devasting thing to read. And if true, Landis just went from hero to zero/great hope to biggest dope faster than the french can yet again claim Lance was doped.
The only thing I can think of is that maybe he was on something for his hip that might have caused the test to come back positive.
Be honest, please: haven´t you wondered that Landis won the ride to Alpe d´Huez one day after he collapsed? That was more than a miracle. And I´m quite sure than Lance was doped, and so was the "ever 2nd" Jan Ullrich. Many many cases of blood doping haven´t been discovered and probably never will. Now it´s the tour winner. The Tour de France and the entire bicycle sports has two alternatives: either they allow those forms of doping which are hard to discover or they step up the controls so much that nobody can fall through the net (= taking the privacy from the riders and their teams).
You are, huh?
You might be right. But, blood doping and testosterone are two different things. If it's testosterone as it's being reported, then clearly it couldn't have helped him cuz testosterone doesn't help endurance, especially in cycling. If he was on epogen, they would be been able to tell by his cell count. What drug works that well in less than 24 hours that would allow him to go from bonk to speed racer?
Just for the record. It was not Alpe d´Huez.
It was the 17th stage to Morzine that was the "miracle" stage.
I'd be surprised if he wasn't doping. Don't be an idiot, just because he's American doesn't mean he's above everybody else
Really? Sorry, I could have sworn it was Alpe d´Huez. But that doesn´t change the result of the A-test. After all what happened, who believes that these races are "clean"?
I am quite sure that high testosterone levels would be quite helpful in a number of ways.
For instance the level of fat cell mobilization increases, which would help spare valuable glygocen stores.
I am quite sure the mental boost of really high testosterone levels would be quite significant as well.
The effect of an ekstra testosterone boost would be ekstra significant coming in the last week of the tour, as testosterone levels of all riders would be quite reduced below base level, due to unsufficent recovery.
They are all dirty.
Except the Norwegian viking Hushovd off course :-)
Seriously, cycling has major problems!
As for Lance.
He was doped or he was the all time most impressive athlete beating the stuffing out of people who had epo coming out of their ears.
People draw their own conclusions.
I still think that he should be given the benefit of the doubt since he hasn't failed a test.
That's an interesting point. Maybe testoterone helps recovery though. Helps the muscles recover faster from soreness or keeps them from becoming sore in the first place.
But are the riders tested after each stage or are the tests done randomly? I could see taking a chance if they are done randomly but otherwise why do it knowing you'll eventually be caught?
My guess is that if the positive test is confirmed (by the backup sample) that it had something to do with medication for his hip to help alleviate pain and that Floyd was unaware it would cause him to test positive. Nevertheless it looks bad. Even if the backup sample tests negative his victory will be viewed as tainted by most people.
We don't normally take our queues from the MSM and we certainly don't take them from a poster who has been suspended for various posting abuses and has the rap sheet to prove it.
Thanks,
AM
Here is a dumb question I have always had about Lance. I don't follow bike racing at all, so it may be really dumb. Didn't Lance have testicular cancer? I am assuming his testes were removed or irradiated. So wouldn't he be on supplementary testosterone simply to stay as a normal man? How does one tell supplementary from "extra" supplementary? Was it just that he always tested in the normal range for men?
I thought steroids, like testosterone, were slow acting, it takes months to see results. I don't think you can grow larger muscles overnight. Why would he suddenly have more 'roids one day than another and how could that possibly benefit him?
But of course! LOL. I can't believe it. I thought the frenchies might be irritated if another American won their race, but sheesh. I hope it isn't true, surely Floyd knew the risks of getting caught, especially after Ullrich and Basso, among others, were sacked.
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