Legal analyst: Break in (JonBenet) Ramsey case could be Hoax

WTSP TV - Channel 10 ^ | August 17, 2006 | WTSP TV - Channel 10

[garbageseeker]

Choose with method to get the truth: The humane way or inhumane way

[discostu]

Sodium pentathol isn't an option either. The real option, the only real option, is proper investigation. Hopefully that's what they've actually based the arrest on.

[discostu]

The right way, investigation. SP doesn't really work much better than a polygraph, especially not for people falling into category 2, the insane.

[Cementjungle]

But I admit, he looks more and more like someone just yearning for attention and involvement in this case in any way he can get it.

This guy's in a Thai jail for other reasons. This may just be an attempt to get himself transferred back to the USA, after which he can just say "never mind, I just needed out of the Thai jail!".

[garbageseeker]

People are only afraid of polygraph tests because they have things to hide.

[garbageseeker]

If you have nothing to hide then you will pass the test

[webheart]

Robinson believes one thing is clear, however. This is the biggest development in the case so far.

This Robinson guy is an idiot. He believes that the confession is a hoax. That the confession is a made up story by a nutjob trying to gain 15 minutes of fame. After it is learned that the nutjob has no connection to the case otherwise, the investigation will be exactly where it was 5 days ago, which is nowhere. How can this be the biggest development in the case so far? All it serves to do is get the media camera crews, of which there are far too many, something to have a big frenzy over. It fills up time on TV and gets people's hearts all a-flutter, but it is in no way a development.

[discostu]

No people are afraid of polygraph tests because to be given one is to be under suspicion in the first place. And a lot of people have learned that the things are incredibly fallible. I'd be terrified to be given a polygraph because I know how dependent they are on voodoo pseudo-science and that the results are functionally random, having my freedom fall subject to something that basically is a crap shoot is a scary concept.

[mom4kittys]

They don't work, just measure blood pressure.

[Irene Adler]

"Well, it's too late for that now."

Exactly.

[mom4kittys]

The big lie behind lie detector tests:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/950408/posts

[garbageseeker]

I'd be terrified to be given a polygraph because I know how dependent they are on voodoo pseudo-science and that the results are functionally random, having my freedom fall subject to something that basically is a crap shoot is a scary concept.

The FBI,CIA and DoD uses the polygraph as part of their internal security checks. If they use it as part of their internal security program successfully for decades its fine with me. Of course they have hit bumps on the road they think its still reliable. Again, if you have nothing to hide you will pass the test with flying colors.

[garbageseeker]

Its just one persons opinion.

[discostu]

How many big time leaks and outright spies have they had since instituting the polygraph testing? Doesn't seem like they've been using them successfully to me. I doubt they think it's reliable, they just don't have anything better. Not having something to hide is no garauntee of passing a polygraph, that's the big lie of the polygraph companies.

[bvw]

Wow, glad to this posted -- on FR of course. Had a chance to read some news story on the guy -- sounds very strange. And his ex says he was with her in Atlanta during the time of the murder. Variation on Munchasen, possibly, the man may have been pulled into pedophilia by an original interest in murders -- the Polly Klass and this case being the two major ones. And his guilt feelings subliminate and come out as him convincing himself he murdered the Ramsey girl. My 25 cents is now exhausted ...

[Tall_Texan]

I think it is telling that when he was arrested in California in 2001 for child porn charges he *thought* he was being arrested for the Ramsey case. Secondly, the e-mail name Karr used in communicating with the CU professor was "Daxis". The name of the Polly Klaas killer was Davis. Substitute the "v" for an "x" and you have "Daxis".

This tells me that Daxis/Karr was an admirer of Richard Allen Davis, Klass' killer and studied him so he could try to emulate him. However, I don't think this scrawny waif had the nerve to kill the way Davis killed. I think he glommed onto the Ramsey case after the fact and may have even bragged about killing JBR as a way to make himself seem important among the pedophile community. Over time, he convinced himself he was there when I suspect he was not. Yet, he provided enough information that the police couldn't ignore him and grabbed him when they had the chance so as to settle whether he was indeed the killer or not.

[garbageseeker]

How many big time leaks and outright spies have they had since instituting the polygraph testing?

That is why you have regular examinations to prevent cheating. Again, its not perfect, but its still reliable enough to warrant further investigation of the subject if the test comes out negative. There are no guarantees in life.

[discostu]

But they DON'T prevent cheating. If anything regular exams help teach the people how to beat the machine. It's way less than not perfect, it's randomized to the point of being basically useless. If the polygraph is so great how did Ames get away with it for so long? Answer is: the polygraph is worthless and should be discarded and never used again by anybody ever.

[parsifal]

I wonder if you take too many polygraph test if you become used to them and pass more often??

But back to the confessor, has anybody reported seeing him around the kiddie beauty pageants? My gut feeling is he is a nutcase. Wasn't there a security system at the Ramsey house? Plus, if he is the killer, has he killed again? I would thinkhe would show up on somebody's suspect list somewhere?

parsy, the skeptical.

[garbageseeker]

But they DON'T prevent cheating. If anything regular exams help teach the people how to beat the machine. It's way less than not perfect, it's randomized to the point of being basically useless. If the polygraph is so great how did Ames get away with it for so long? Answer is: the polygraph is worthless and should be discarded and never used again by anybody ever.

The Ames affair is an anomaly and you will get one.IMHO, it looks like they have corrected it and I have not heard a CIA spy case in quite a while.It looks like they have fixed the mistakes and have revampted their methods.