Posted on 08/19/2006 6:39:43 AM PDT by RaceBannon
Precisely how, pray tell?
And science by the definition given to us by the dictionary includes much more than naturalism.
Perhaps it's more accurate to say that science assumes regularity; i.e. the assumtion that powerful invisible beings aren't engaged in a vast conspiracy to put their thumbs on the scales to throw off our observations about the world.
IOW: Science does not assume naturalism, per se. Science only assumes that the universe as we can detect it isn't lying to us.
Which, according to James Randi, is one reasons that so many scientists have been hoodwinked by the likes of Uri Geller. Or Piltdown Man or socialism, for that matter. Natural phenomena don't lie, their colleagues almost never do, and so a disproportionate number of scientists seem to be a bit naive about dishonesty and fraud. I think this accounts for some of the outrage that the scientifically-minded express on the crevo threads; they are not used to being blatantly lied to, over and over again.
Saul, actually. The rest of your idiocy isn't worth my time.
Saul was the first king of Judah.
Jeroboam was the first king of Israel. His brother Rehoboam, was king of Judah, after the death of Solomon...
Neither is evolutionism... because like creationism, evolutionism believes the Earth is the center of the Universe...
I find one of the most convincing arguments a creationist can make is that humans are the only animals that are not naked...
yeah, yeah, yeah...
Neither is evolutionism... because like creationism, evolutionism believes the Earth is the center of the Universe...
Sorry, that happens not to be the case.
The theory of evolution works just fine with any one of the following:
a) Natural processes occuring entirely upon earth resulted in chains of self-replicating molecular strands that eventually became the first life forms;b) Aliens from another planet and/or dimension travelled to this planet and -- deliberately or accidentally -- seeded the planet with the first life forms;
c) In the future, humans will develop a means to travel back in time. They will use this technology to plant the first life forms in Earth's past, making the existence of life a causality loop;
d) A divine agent of unspecified nature zap-poofed the first life forms into existence; or
e) Any method other than the four described above led to the existence of the first life forms.
(Courtesy of Dimensio here.)
actually the amazing discoveries of the dna code and it's numeric system is very scientific. It is quite convincing of an author who must have made it.
there is obviously an objective definition of science which is given to us in the dictionary. My point was that it includes creationism but it's the darwinists that are weakly trying to exclude it calling it apologitics. Where is the academic freedom...when some scientific obserations disagree with toe you guys try and put them into a different category in order to diminish it. As many creation scientists know; that simply doesn't hold water. It may work for a while in a controlled school environment where dissent is made risking your sanity. But eventually many find the amazing scientific observations of creationism and find it very interesting.
This is a very interesting thread. Sorry that I came to it so late. There is definitely something seriously wrong with science these days, because to me science is the pursuit of truth and if that is the case there are some very wicked people presenting lies as if they were truth. I can see if they presented them as hypothisis' but they don't. Fabian, you don't sound very sophisticated how you present your arguments, you don't argue with the "politically correct words and phrases" but you are right on target! Not only are you totally on point, but you have a nice attitude to boot. Keep it up. And Jennyp why don't you try listening a little. You don't have any idea what Fabian is talking about... chill out and listen for a little while...
thanks abigail2...yes, I find that darwinists tend to try and corner the truth of scientific discoveries when in reality there is so much science involved in creation theory. It's just a shame that it is excluded from most public schools.
It is excluded because it is obvious to almost everyone that creationism is religion attempting to masquerade as pseudo-science, and not even reaching that level.
You want to do science? Learn what science is, pick a field, and study hard for a dozen or so years. Then you might be ready to begin.
Reading creationist websites (or staying in a Holiday Inn Express) is not sufficient.
LOL, I listen hard. It's obvious what fabian's talking about. He's impressed with DNA's code, and he can't see how natural processes can possibly create anything that's impressive. Therefore it must have been thought up by a supernatural person. And this is a scientific conclusion.
Oh, and anyone who doesn't agree with this is obviously subconsciously hiding from God. This is also a scientific conclusion.
This article should blow your mind: (This is why DNA's code is impressive, but not miraculous.)
Genetic alphabet bases explored
Mr Gardner says his simulations using Massey’s supercomputer found that in the evolutionary history of all species, when mutation rates were high, four was the optimum number, allowing species to evolve more quickly to fit the environment at the time.“ Four was the ideal size for that particular period in the evolution of all species. If the decision was made again, a different alphabet would be used.”
He says for a period of low mutation, such as now, a six-letter genetic alphabet would be more efficient.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saul_the_King
You are referring to the northern of the two kingdoms that succeeded the original Kingdom of Israel after the split. The northern kingdom retained the name 'Kingdom of Israel', but its kings were obviously not the first Kings of Israel.
placemarker
That was Judah...
Israel did not exist until Solomon died...
The Timetables of History
Bernard Grun
simon & schuster
New York, 1995
thanks for that article...no matter how much the dna code is attempted to be diminished it is still more complex than a computer code. Really take a look at the functions it sets in motion; a complete and highly efficient factory called our bodies. Nothing man has built even comes close. When you see a realitively simple thing like a painting of a person you know that someone had to paint it. How much more is that true for our bodies. Our darkside is always trying to makes us doubt, but inside we know that there is a Creator simply from logic.
Long before the world was created there was an island, floating in the sky, upon which the Sky People lived. They lived quietly and happily. No one ever died or was born or experienced sadness. However one day one of the Sky Women realized she was going to give birth to twins. She told her husband, who flew into a rage. In the center of the island there was a tree which gave light to the entire island since the sun hadn't been created yet. He tore up this tree, creating a huge hole in the middle of the island. Curiously, the woman peered into the hole. Far below she could see the waters that covered the earth. At that moment her husband pushed her. She fell through the hole, tumbling towards the waters below.
Water animals already existed on the earth, so far below the floating island two birds saw the Sky Woman fall. Just before she reached the waters they caught her on their backs and brought her to the other animals. Determined to help the woman they dove into the water to get mud from the bottom of the seas. One after another the animals tried and failed. Finally, Little Toad tried and when he reappeared his mouth was full of mud. The animals took it and spread it on the back of Big Turtle. The mud began to grow and grow and grow until it became the size of North America.
Then the woman stepped onto the land. She sprinkled dust into the air and created stars. Then she created the moon and sun.
The Sky Woman gave birth to twin sons. She named one Sapling. He grew to be kind and gentle. She named the other Flint and his heart was as cold as his name. They grew quickly and began filling the earth with their creations.
Sapling created what is good. He made animals that are useful to humans. He made rivers that went two ways and into these he put fish without bones. He made plants that people could eat easily. If he was able to do all the work himself there would be no suffering.
Flint destroyed much of Sapling's work and created all that is bad. He made the rivers flow only in one direction. He put bones in fish and thorns on berry bushes. He created winter, but Sapling gave it life so that it could move to give way to Spring. He created monsters which his brother drove beneath the Earth.
Eventually Sapling and Flint decided to fight till one conquered the other. Neither was able to win at first, but finally Flint was beaten. Because he was a god Flint could not die, so he was forced to live on Big Turtle's back. Occasionally his anger is felt in the form of a volcano.
The Iroquois people hold a great respect for all animals. This is mirrored in their creation myth by the role the animals play. Without the animals' help the Sky Woman may have sunk to the bottom of the sea and earth may not have been created.
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