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'06 METS REMINISCENT OF '86
NY Post ^ | 8/19/06 | Evan Grossman

Posted on 08/19/2006 3:46:41 PM PDT by qam1

August 19, 2006 -- The Mets will honor the 1986 championship team tonight in a pregame ceremony that will feature the majority of that memorable squad. It has been 20 years since the Mets last won the World Series and many believe this year's team has the ingredients to end a 20-year title drought in Flushing.

Tonight's ceremony, set to begin around 7 p.m., will welcome back many familiar faces from that memorable team, and the energy inside Shea could serve as a reminder to this year's team what they're playing for. It will be the first time in years that Gary Carter, Darryl Strawberry and Keith Hernandez on the field together.

The Mets went into last night's game against Colorado 13 games up in the NL East and could get a midseason jolt from tonight's festivities.

"That team, to me, was the ultimate team," David Wright said.

Among the notable no-shows tonight will be Dwight Gooden, manager Davey Johnson and Ray Knight. The Mets will wear throwback uniforms tonight and tomorrow to honor the 1986 team. Wright is looking forward to tonight's celebration and expects the home-field advantage at Shea Stadium to be at a season high.

"It's going to be a special ceremony. Obviously the fans will be into it, and I think that when the fans get into something, that rubs off on the team," Wright said. "When the fans come out in full force, they get into it, they bring a lot of energy, a lot of passion, and we can definitely use that to our advantage."

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TOPICS: Sports
KEYWORDS: backbehindthebag; baseball; choke; genx; letsgomets; mets; pfft; realnyteam; subwayseries; throughthelegs; yankoffswillchoke

1 posted on 08/19/2006 3:46:42 PM PDT by qam1
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To: qam1; ItsOurTimeNow; PresbyRev; tortoise; Fraulein; StoneColdGOP; Clemenza; m18436572; ...
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2 posted on 08/19/2006 3:52:09 PM PDT by qam1 (There's been a huge party. All plates and the bottles are empty, all that's left is the bill to pay)
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To: neverdem

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3 posted on 08/19/2006 3:53:10 PM PDT by qam1 (There's been a huge party. All plates and the bottles are empty, all that's left is the bill to pay)
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To: qam1
the 1986 Mets were one of the more memorable sports teams of the 1980's

Only if you were a New York Mets fan. Otherwise they were just another nice one time World Series winner.

4 posted on 08/19/2006 3:56:45 PM PDT by Colonel Kangaroo
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To: qam1

I won $1,400 on the '69 Mets, while in college, on a local bet. Haven't followed any of the teams, since.


5 posted on 08/19/2006 4:03:20 PM PDT by butternut_squash_bisque (The recipe's at my FR HomePage. Try it!)
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To: qam1

'06 METS REMINISCENT OF '86

The Mets 1986 squad played good solid baseball, but were cocky and arrogant ... the Mets 2006 squad plays good solid baseball and are not cocky and arrogant. I don't see how there is any comparison to call it reminiscent at all.

Otherwise, here is hoping for a Subway Series in NYC once again in year 2006!

GO YANKEES !!!!

6 posted on 08/19/2006 4:03:54 PM PDT by Mr_Moonlight
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To: Mr_Moonlight

LETS GO METS!


7 posted on 08/19/2006 4:39:54 PM PDT by paltz
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To: qam1

I will be in NYC on WED and want to go solo to the Mets/Cardinals game that evening.

If any Mets' fans are on this post, what's the best way to get a good single ticket? Does Shea have a 'Day of Game' ticket window, where they sell good seats that have been turned in by season ticket holders? Or are there good scalpers outside the park?


8 posted on 08/19/2006 4:54:06 PM PDT by GianniV
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To: qam1
The 1986 Mets had good starting pitching unlike the 2006 Mets.

Gooden, Ojeda had a career year, Sid Fernandez. The best pitcher the Mets have now is Steve Trachsel.

9 posted on 08/19/2006 4:54:45 PM PDT by LdSentinal
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To: LdSentinal

Is that the year Buckner let a ball roll between his legs allowing the Mets to come from behind in game 6?


10 posted on 08/19/2006 5:38:12 PM PDT by gov_bean_ counter ( Helen Thomas on anticipating and handling a crisis: "I'll live under that bridge when I get to it.")
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To: gov_bean_ counter
Is that the year Buckner let a ball roll between his legs allowing the Mets to come from behind in game 6?

Yupp! I heard on the radio that that actual ball will be at Shea tonight as well!

11 posted on 08/19/2006 5:46:20 PM PDT by The Chief
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To: The Chief
Is McNamara still alive? They should have saved him a stinking seat as well for not pulling Buckner and replacing him with Stapleton, like he had done in late innings all year long.
12 posted on 08/19/2006 6:12:41 PM PDT by gov_bean_ counter ( Helen Thomas on anticipating and handling a crisis: "I'll live under that bridge when I get to it.")
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To: qam1

Big Mets fan here, thanks for the ping!!!!


13 posted on 08/19/2006 6:18:20 PM PDT by LongsforReagan (A Democrat is either a moron or a traitor. Perhaps both sometimes.)
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To: qam1

Go White Sox... :)


14 posted on 08/19/2006 9:59:24 PM PDT by Echo Talon
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To: Mr_Moonlight

Amen to that, brother!


15 posted on 08/20/2006 9:52:17 AM PDT by Andonius_99 (They [liberals] aren't humans, but rather a species of hairless retarded ape.)
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To: LdSentinal
The best pitcher the Mets have now is Steve Trachsel.

You say that like it's a bad thing. Alot of teams would love to have a guy like Trachsel in their rotation. Besides, I think you're forgetting about Pedro Martinez, Tom Glavine (although he might be out for the remainder of the season), and El Duque who is lights out in the postseason.

16 posted on 08/21/2006 1:41:10 AM PDT by frankiep (I respect Islamofacists more than the American left - at least they ADMIT that they hate the US.)
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To: frankiep
I wish I had seen this thread over the weekend. Oh well...Mets have an off-day today, so it gives me a chance to catch my breath after that disastrous Phillies series followed by the slightly-more-encouraging Rockies series.

Glavine's potential season-ending injury is definitely more serious than Pedro being on the DL. Glavine is, IMHO, a better pitcher strategy-wise that Pedro. I have a feeling, however, that the three key starting-rotation pitchers who will help to guide the Mets to the World Series this year are Trachsel, El Duque and Glavine (if he is okay). If Pelfry is feeling okay, he'll also give the Mets some assistance. Also, Alay Soler is still on the 40-man roster. He wasn't phenomenal in his previous outings, but he at least may prove reliable as a middle-reliever if needed, especially with Sanchez out.
17 posted on 08/21/2006 5:34:14 AM PDT by CT-Freeper (Said the perpetually dejected Mets fan.)
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To: frankiep
I rather have a 1986 Bobby Ojeda than a 2006 Steve Trachsel. Trachsel will give up at least 3 runs a game. In the post-season, that's too much.

Pray for Pedro and Glavine's health.

18 posted on 08/21/2006 8:45:00 PM PDT by LdSentinal
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To: qam1
"That team, to me, was the ultimate team," David Wright said.

I think a team that ran a platoon at 2nd base can't qualify as an 'ultimate team.'

19 posted on 08/21/2006 8:50:24 PM PDT by HitmanLV ("If at first you don't succeed, keep on sucking until you do succeed." - Jerry 'Curly' Howard)
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To: HitmanLV

108 wins and cocaine on every team bus and flight.


20 posted on 08/21/2006 8:59:15 PM PDT by LdSentinal
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To: LdSentinal

Gotta like those 108 wins. Even Gary Carter ('The All-American Out') had like 104 RBI I think that season!

Still, not the ultimate team. A damned good pitching staff, though.


21 posted on 08/21/2006 9:01:58 PM PDT by HitmanLV ("If at first you don't succeed, keep on sucking until you do succeed." - Jerry 'Curly' Howard)
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To: HitmanLV

1986 Mets pitching is light years better than the 2006 staff.


22 posted on 08/21/2006 9:03:52 PM PDT by LdSentinal
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To: LdSentinal

A fine, well rounded pitching squad. Who was that sidearm pitcher they added in 1987? Leach? I liked him a lot too - I love that pitching delivery! 1987 had Randy Myers in the bullpen, also. Mets had some very good pitching in the mid-80s.


23 posted on 08/21/2006 9:14:38 PM PDT by HitmanLV ("If at first you don't succeed, keep on sucking until you do succeed." - Jerry 'Curly' Howard)
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To: HitmanLV

Yup. Terry Leach.


24 posted on 08/21/2006 9:23:19 PM PDT by LdSentinal
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To: HitmanLV
Oliver Perez, the throw in in the Roberto Hernandez for Xavier Nady deal pitched seven no hit innings with 11 strikeouts for Norfolk in his last start.

Oliver Perez was considered Johan Santana-like in 2003. A 96 MPH lefthander would look good in the rotation if Glavine goes down.

25 posted on 08/21/2006 9:24:12 PM PDT by garv
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To: HitmanLV
LINEUP

CF Lenny Dykstra .295, 8 HR, 45 RBI, 31 SB

2B Wally Backman .320, 1 HR, 27 RBI, 13 SB

1B Keith Hernandez .310, 13 HR, 83 RBI, 94 R

C Gary Carter .255, 24 HR, 105 RBI, 81 R

RF Darryl Strawberry .259, 27 HR, 93 RBI, 28 SB

3B Ray Knight .298, 11 HR, 76 RBI, 24 2B

LF Mookie Wilson .289, 9 HR, 45 RBI, 25 SB

SS Rafael Santana .218, 1 HR, 28 RBI, 36 BB

ROTATION

P Dwight Gooden 17-6, 2.84 ERA, 200 K

P Bob Ojeda 18-5, 2.57 ERA, 148 K

P Sid Fernandez 16-6, 3.52 ERA, 200 K

P Ron Darling 15-6, 3.52 ERA, 200 K

P Rick Aguilera 10-7, 3.88 ERA

Looks like a hell of a lineup and rotation to me. Their bench was also the best in the game. There was hardly a single weakness on that team; a rarity in any sport.

http://mets.scout.com/2/192750.html

A study of individual performances from the '86 Mets squad is bound to provoke the question: How did they win so many games with such mediocre stats? To answer that is to understand that the balance between pitching and offense was very much different in 1986 than it is today. That year, the Mets led the league with a .263 team batting average. By contrast, the 1999 Mets batted .279 and didn't even lead the National League. In '86, three Mets pitchers were among the top 5 in ERA, all under 3 runs per game. Today, aside from Randy Johnson, Pedro Martinez, and Greg Maddux, you would be hard pressed to find a team whose ace has an ERA under 3.5 and whose staff average is under 4. Darryl Strawberry led the '86 Mets in homers with 27. That was tied for 5th in the league. Today, that would be closer to 15th. Gary Carter was third in the NL in RBIs with 105. RBI machines like Manny Ramirez today can reach that total by the All-Star break.

26 posted on 08/22/2006 3:35:58 PM PDT by frankiep (I respect Islamofacists more than the American left - at least they ADMIT that they hate the US.)
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(link) Pedro Martinez Credits Success To Lucky Midget, Sun God, Magic Beads
27 posted on 08/22/2006 3:37:13 PM PDT by KneelBeforeZod (I have five dollars for each of you)
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To: frankiep
I'm pretty sure they platooned 2nd base with Tim Teufel.

That's a heck of a year for Gary Carter, but I still consider him 'The Rally Killer' or 'The All-American Out' because of his performance in the seasons after 1986.

Carter's greatest strength was in knowing all the opposing batters and calling a great game. He made their great pitching staff even better, in my book.

I think that's a good lineup, but it pales in comparison t a great lineup, like the mid-late 1970s Yankees, or even the 2006 Yankees. ;-)
28 posted on 08/22/2006 3:41:22 PM PDT by HitmanLV ("If at first you don't succeed, keep on sucking until you do succeed." - Jerry 'Curly' Howard)
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To: HitmanLV

Backman and Teufel did split alot of their time. You can't compare their stats based on teams in the 70's or 90's. While their stats wouldn't be anything special in other times, they still had what was statistically by far the most potent lineup in the league at the time. And their pitching was terrific. There wasn't a 20 game winner but everyone in the rotation was very solid at the least. How many teams can say that they had three pitchers with 15 or more wins on their staff.

As for the 2006 Yankees. Puhlease :-) Although, unfortunately I do think that they will win the Series this year.


29 posted on 08/22/2006 3:58:17 PM PDT by frankiep (I respect Islamofacists more than the American left - at least they ADMIT that they hate the US.)
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To: frankiep
Fine pitching staff, no question. As for their offensive potency, I don't know. They made the post season twice in the 1980s, and in their 'power years' between 1984-1989. They won it all once in 1986, and fell to the Dodgers in the 1988 post season. Not a lot to show for their their potency in their league, in their era.

I liked HoJo a lot, particularly in 1987, when he became (at least at the time) one of the few 30-30 men. Hernandez dominated the NL in his position in his era - good guy. Guys like Strawberry could usually be counted on to strike out a lot, and hit his home runs when the team was ahead or way behind. Lenny Dykstra tring hard to hit for power starting in 1987 wasn't good, and neither was Gary Carter mastering hitting into a double play 1987 and beyond.

HoJo also mucked things up at 3rd base as a fielder, if I recall. Also after the 1988 post season (what was he, 1 for 20, or 0 for 20) the shine was off him for good.

I remember their home-grown golden boy, Gregg Jefferies was supposed to be the best thing since sliced bread. Never really worked out, though. Good player, but all that batting practice in a pool never amounted to world-class MLB stats.

A good team, but not an all-time great team. Their pitching staff in that era was tippity tops, Bob Ojeda cutting his own hedges notwithstanding! ;-)
30 posted on 08/22/2006 4:11:19 PM PDT by HitmanLV ("If at first you don't succeed, keep on sucking until you do succeed." - Jerry 'Curly' Howard)
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To: HitmanLV

I'll put the '76 Reds lineup, position by position, up against any...The '86 Mets squad was hardly a team of the ages. They are remembered mainly for being the beneficiaries of the Buckner bungle (and for being a NY team).

Teams within my lifetime that were better: The 70's A's, Reds, Yankees; the 80's A's, the 90's Braves and Yankees, and the '00's Yanks and Red Sox. I'd even throw the 70's Orioles and Dodgers in for good measure, although they didn't win it all in that decade.


31 posted on 08/25/2006 2:49:09 PM PDT by Mr. Bird
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To: Mr. Bird

I agree - the mid-late 80s Mets were good, but they weren't great. It's funny I was going to bring up the mid '70s Reds as a clearly superior team, also.


32 posted on 08/25/2006 3:00:16 PM PDT by HitmanLV ("If at first you don't succeed, keep on sucking until you do succeed." - Jerry 'Curly' Howard)
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To: Clemenza; ken5050
Belated CONGRATS to the Mets for clinching their division title! The Yanks just clinched the AL East title (because my Dead Sox lost tonight), but we won't talk about that...

I would love to see the Mets win the WS again, but there are some pretty fierce teams in the AL. Should be interesting...

33 posted on 09/20/2006 7:54:06 PM PDT by nutmeg (National security trumps everything else.)
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To: nutmeg
Mets could walk over Detroit, but the Twins or the Yankees could be trouble. The problem is the fourth and fifth spots in the rotation. Trachsel needs to go.

I'm not worried about El Duque, however. He always hits his stride in the post season.

34 posted on 09/20/2006 8:24:28 PM PDT by Clemenza (Dave? Dave?)
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To: HitmanLV; frankiep
The Yank-offs (fave team of Metrosexual transplants, tourists, and Mafioso) will NOT win the World Series. The curse of Hillary lives!

I still remember Giuliani begging everyone to root for the Yankees if they wanted to "show their support for New York" following 9/11. They went on to get spanked by the D-Backs and I was a happy man.

LETS GO METS!!!

35 posted on 09/20/2006 8:26:48 PM PDT by Clemenza (Dave? Dave?)
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To: Clemenza
The Twins are astonishing. Red Sox were swept by them earlier this season - when most of the Sox players were healthy, and the Sox were #1 in the AL East for several weeks running, if memory serves me right.

The Red Sox lost last night and tonight to the Twins at Fenway (we were at last night's game). Tomorrow's matchup is the amazing Johan Santana vs. Josh Beckett, the pitcher with the recurring "blister problem". I want the Red Sox to win, but if I were betting, I'd bet on the Twins to win tomorrow night.

We went to ONE Mets game this year at Shea... Saturday, July 22. Saw El Duque vs. Brandon Backe (Houston Astros). Nice game... Mets won 4-3! ;-)

36 posted on 09/20/2006 8:42:47 PM PDT by nutmeg (National security trumps everything else.)
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To: Clemenza
The Yank-offs (fave team of Metrosexual transplants, tourists, and Mafioso)

And don't forget young women who actually know little or nothing about baseball. They just come to the games / watch on TV to gawk at Derek Jeter and/or Johnny Damon... ;-)

37 posted on 09/20/2006 8:45:09 PM PDT by nutmeg (National security trumps everything else.)
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To: Clemenza
The curse of Hillary lives!

Oh yeah... thanks for the reminder... ;-)


38 posted on 09/20/2006 8:47:46 PM PDT by nutmeg (National security trumps everything else.)
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To: nutmeg

Always been the case. My grandmother said that the Yankees attracted women because their players looked like movie stars (hard to believe with such sex symbols as Ruth, Maris, and Dimaggio/sarc), whereas the Dodgers and Giants looked like shape up time at the docks.


39 posted on 09/20/2006 8:48:47 PM PDT by Clemenza (Dave? Dave?)
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To: Clemenza; ken5050

See #8... can you help? I don't know enough about Shea Stadium...


40 posted on 09/20/2006 8:49:20 PM PDT by nutmeg (National security trumps everything else.)
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To: GianniV; nutmeg

Shea has a "day of game" ticket window, where yours truly has often been able to get good "single ticket seats" at the last moment. You should be OK. Are you taking the 7 train or the LIRR?


41 posted on 09/20/2006 8:50:26 PM PDT by Clemenza (Dave? Dave?)
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To: Clemenza; ken5050

Oops... disregard my post #40. I just noticed the date of GianniV's post...


42 posted on 09/20/2006 8:51:09 PM PDT by nutmeg (National security trumps everything else.)
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To: Clemenza

A few things about the Mets worry me. First is the starting pitching. If they are going to win then Pedro must pitch like Pedro, and right now things aren't looking that great as far as that goes. Trachsel is unreliable, but he somehow managed to win 16 games (so far) this season despite having an ERA around 5. Who the hell knows how he is going to respond in the postseason. El Duque is solid, should be no worries there. Glavine, who knows? He has been a bit shaky but I have the feeling that his experience and savvy will come through big. The bullpen is excellent so there are no worries there.

Second is their lineup. They do have a stacked lineup that can score runs in bunches almost at will. However, it is extremely right handed heavy. There is no left handed hitting threat to be found. They have had very big struggles against even mediocre left handed pitching this season - and every other postseason team knows it. Going up against a team with a couple of decent lefty starters, and lefty relievers could be a huge obstacle, especially in a short series.

Don't get me wrong, I think that they have as good a shot as any to win it all this year. They have proven over the course of the regular season that they are certainly capable of big things. I'm just trying to be as realistic as I can be as a Met fan. I said at the beginning of the year that this years team will be very good and make the playoffs as either a wild card or division winner, but that they are still a year away from being a no doubt championship caliber team. That being said, they are already much better than I thought they would be at this point and have already shown that they know how to win tight, playoff type games. The scary thing for the rest of the league is that if the Mets do win it this year that they will in all likelihood be even better, much better, next year after they pick up another pitcher and a couple of lefty bats.

LET'S GO METS!!!!


43 posted on 09/21/2006 8:30:27 PM PDT by frankiep (I respect Islamofacists more than the American left - at least they ADMIT that they hate the US.)
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To: qam1

BTT!


44 posted on 10/12/2006 8:23:06 PM PDT by chet_in_ny (LET'S GO METS GO!!!)
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