Skip to comments.'06 METS REMINISCENT OF '86
Posted on 08/19/2006 3:46:41 PM PDT by qam1
August 19, 2006 -- The Mets will honor the 1986 championship team tonight in a pregame ceremony that will feature the majority of that memorable squad. It has been 20 years since the Mets last won the World Series and many believe this year's team has the ingredients to end a 20-year title drought in Flushing.
Tonight's ceremony, set to begin around 7 p.m., will welcome back many familiar faces from that memorable team, and the energy inside Shea could serve as a reminder to this year's team what they're playing for. It will be the first time in years that Gary Carter, Darryl Strawberry and Keith Hernandez on the field together.
The Mets went into last night's game against Colorado 13 games up in the NL East and could get a midseason jolt from tonight's festivities.
"That team, to me, was the ultimate team," David Wright said.
Among the notable no-shows tonight will be Dwight Gooden, manager Davey Johnson and Ray Knight. The Mets will wear throwback uniforms tonight and tomorrow to honor the 1986 team. Wright is looking forward to tonight's celebration and expects the home-field advantage at Shea Stadium to be at a season high.
"It's going to be a special ceremony. Obviously the fans will be into it, and I think that when the fans get into something, that rubs off on the team," Wright said. "When the fans come out in full force, they get into it, they bring a lot of energy, a lot of passion, and we can definitely use that to our advantage."
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Only if you were a New York Mets fan. Otherwise they were just another nice one time World Series winner.
I won $1,400 on the '69 Mets, while in college, on a local bet. Haven't followed any of the teams, since.
The Mets 1986 squad played good solid baseball, but were cocky and arrogant ... the Mets 2006 squad plays good solid baseball and are not cocky and arrogant. I don't see how there is any comparison to call it reminiscent at all.
Otherwise, here is hoping for a Subway Series in NYC once again in year 2006!
GO YANKEES !!!!
LETS GO METS!
I will be in NYC on WED and want to go solo to the Mets/Cardinals game that evening.
If any Mets' fans are on this post, what's the best way to get a good single ticket? Does Shea have a 'Day of Game' ticket window, where they sell good seats that have been turned in by season ticket holders? Or are there good scalpers outside the park?
Gooden, Ojeda had a career year, Sid Fernandez. The best pitcher the Mets have now is Steve Trachsel.
Is that the year Buckner let a ball roll between his legs allowing the Mets to come from behind in game 6?
Yupp! I heard on the radio that that actual ball will be at Shea tonight as well!
Big Mets fan here, thanks for the ping!!!!
Go White Sox... :)
Amen to that, brother!
You say that like it's a bad thing. Alot of teams would love to have a guy like Trachsel in their rotation. Besides, I think you're forgetting about Pedro Martinez, Tom Glavine (although he might be out for the remainder of the season), and El Duque who is lights out in the postseason.
Pray for Pedro and Glavine's health.
I think a team that ran a platoon at 2nd base can't qualify as an 'ultimate team.'
108 wins and cocaine on every team bus and flight.
Gotta like those 108 wins. Even Gary Carter ('The All-American Out') had like 104 RBI I think that season!
Still, not the ultimate team. A damned good pitching staff, though.
1986 Mets pitching is light years better than the 2006 staff.
A fine, well rounded pitching squad. Who was that sidearm pitcher they added in 1987? Leach? I liked him a lot too - I love that pitching delivery! 1987 had Randy Myers in the bullpen, also. Mets had some very good pitching in the mid-80s.
Yup. Terry Leach.
Oliver Perez was considered Johan Santana-like in 2003. A 96 MPH lefthander would look good in the rotation if Glavine goes down.
CF Lenny Dykstra .295, 8 HR, 45 RBI, 31 SB
2B Wally Backman .320, 1 HR, 27 RBI, 13 SB
1B Keith Hernandez .310, 13 HR, 83 RBI, 94 R
C Gary Carter .255, 24 HR, 105 RBI, 81 R
RF Darryl Strawberry .259, 27 HR, 93 RBI, 28 SB
3B Ray Knight .298, 11 HR, 76 RBI, 24 2B
LF Mookie Wilson .289, 9 HR, 45 RBI, 25 SB
SS Rafael Santana .218, 1 HR, 28 RBI, 36 BB
P Dwight Gooden 17-6, 2.84 ERA, 200 K
P Bob Ojeda 18-5, 2.57 ERA, 148 K
P Sid Fernandez 16-6, 3.52 ERA, 200 K
P Ron Darling 15-6, 3.52 ERA, 200 K
P Rick Aguilera 10-7, 3.88 ERA
Looks like a hell of a lineup and rotation to me. Their bench was also the best in the game. There was hardly a single weakness on that team; a rarity in any sport.
A study of individual performances from the '86 Mets squad is bound to provoke the question: How did they win so many games with such mediocre stats? To answer that is to understand that the balance between pitching and offense was very much different in 1986 than it is today. That year, the Mets led the league with a .263 team batting average. By contrast, the 1999 Mets batted .279 and didn't even lead the National League. In '86, three Mets pitchers were among the top 5 in ERA, all under 3 runs per game. Today, aside from Randy Johnson, Pedro Martinez, and Greg Maddux, you would be hard pressed to find a team whose ace has an ERA under 3.5 and whose staff average is under 4. Darryl Strawberry led the '86 Mets in homers with 27. That was tied for 5th in the league. Today, that would be closer to 15th. Gary Carter was third in the NL in RBIs with 105. RBI machines like Manny Ramirez today can reach that total by the All-Star break.
Backman and Teufel did split alot of their time. You can't compare their stats based on teams in the 70's or 90's. While their stats wouldn't be anything special in other times, they still had what was statistically by far the most potent lineup in the league at the time. And their pitching was terrific. There wasn't a 20 game winner but everyone in the rotation was very solid at the least. How many teams can say that they had three pitchers with 15 or more wins on their staff.
As for the 2006 Yankees. Puhlease :-) Although, unfortunately I do think that they will win the Series this year.
I'll put the '76 Reds lineup, position by position, up against any...The '86 Mets squad was hardly a team of the ages. They are remembered mainly for being the beneficiaries of the Buckner bungle (and for being a NY team).
Teams within my lifetime that were better: The 70's A's, Reds, Yankees; the 80's A's, the 90's Braves and Yankees, and the '00's Yanks and Red Sox. I'd even throw the 70's Orioles and Dodgers in for good measure, although they didn't win it all in that decade.
I agree - the mid-late 80s Mets were good, but they weren't great. It's funny I was going to bring up the mid '70s Reds as a clearly superior team, also.
I would love to see the Mets win the WS again, but there are some pretty fierce teams in the AL. Should be interesting...
I'm not worried about El Duque, however. He always hits his stride in the post season.
I still remember Giuliani begging everyone to root for the Yankees if they wanted to "show their support for New York" following 9/11. They went on to get spanked by the D-Backs and I was a happy man.
LETS GO METS!!!
The Red Sox lost last night and tonight to the Twins at Fenway (we were at last night's game). Tomorrow's matchup is the amazing Johan Santana vs. Josh Beckett, the pitcher with the recurring "blister problem". I want the Red Sox to win, but if I were betting, I'd bet on the Twins to win tomorrow night.
We went to ONE Mets game this year at Shea... Saturday, July 22. Saw El Duque vs. Brandon Backe (Houston Astros). Nice game... Mets won 4-3! ;-)
And don't forget young women who actually know little or nothing about baseball. They just come to the games / watch on TV to gawk at Derek Jeter and/or Johnny Damon... ;-)
Oh yeah... thanks for the reminder... ;-)
Always been the case. My grandmother said that the Yankees attracted women because their players looked like movie stars (hard to believe with such sex symbols as Ruth, Maris, and Dimaggio/sarc), whereas the Dodgers and Giants looked like shape up time at the docks.
See #8... can you help? I don't know enough about Shea Stadium...
Shea has a "day of game" ticket window, where yours truly has often been able to get good "single ticket seats" at the last moment. You should be OK. Are you taking the 7 train or the LIRR?
Oops... disregard my post #40. I just noticed the date of GianniV's post...
A few things about the Mets worry me. First is the starting pitching. If they are going to win then Pedro must pitch like Pedro, and right now things aren't looking that great as far as that goes. Trachsel is unreliable, but he somehow managed to win 16 games (so far) this season despite having an ERA around 5. Who the hell knows how he is going to respond in the postseason. El Duque is solid, should be no worries there. Glavine, who knows? He has been a bit shaky but I have the feeling that his experience and savvy will come through big. The bullpen is excellent so there are no worries there.
Second is their lineup. They do have a stacked lineup that can score runs in bunches almost at will. However, it is extremely right handed heavy. There is no left handed hitting threat to be found. They have had very big struggles against even mediocre left handed pitching this season - and every other postseason team knows it. Going up against a team with a couple of decent lefty starters, and lefty relievers could be a huge obstacle, especially in a short series.
Don't get me wrong, I think that they have as good a shot as any to win it all this year. They have proven over the course of the regular season that they are certainly capable of big things. I'm just trying to be as realistic as I can be as a Met fan. I said at the beginning of the year that this years team will be very good and make the playoffs as either a wild card or division winner, but that they are still a year away from being a no doubt championship caliber team. That being said, they are already much better than I thought they would be at this point and have already shown that they know how to win tight, playoff type games. The scary thing for the rest of the league is that if the Mets do win it this year that they will in all likelihood be even better, much better, next year after they pick up another pitcher and a couple of lefty bats.
LET'S GO METS!!!!