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Posted on 09/01/2006 10:19:41 PM PDT by Protect the Bill of Rights
Lacrosse players' defense: Documents being withheld
By William F. West : The Herald-Sun
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Abb I know I left alot out, could you ping them in the morning, please?
AV in subject in at least 5 otherprobes (newspeak for investigation)
Baker wanted to give a presentation to the City Council
I have always thought it strange there was no paperwork for Durham Access. If it is not documented, it did not happen. For all practical purposes, if there is nothing, she was not at DA. Admittedly, I am applying medical standards to the courthouse setting.
It is finally time for the judge to put up or shut up.
"According to the defense, Gottlieb, in a typewritten document, said that on April 4, he was asked by a captain to produce a timeline of events for the city manager, Patrick Baker, for possible presentation to the council.
The defense wants a copy of that timeline plus a report of the substance of any meetings between or among law enforcement officers, the manager and any council member. "
**The cover-up of the frame-up of the rip-off.**
FIVE OTHER PROBES ! ! Hhhmmmm... any unsolved crimes in the neighborhood?
How about quadruple homicides, cross-burnings, ...
maybe they will be all solved now
in time for the election?
Da Vinci Street?
BTW,Cornelius Hines, owner of the Esquire:
Manager: Scanty info delayed search, N&O, Khanna; Staff Writer, April 7, 2006
DURHAM -- City Manager Patrick Baker said in an interview Thursday that it took two days before police searched the house where a woman said she was raped because 31 hours passed before she was able to provide details about what happened.
Earlier in the day, Baker went before the Durham City Council to address widespread questions on the timeliness of parts of the investigation into a March 13 Duke University lacrosse team party.
The woman reported the rape within an hour, according to police. She couldn't provide a lengthy interview until later, Baker said. In his address to the council, Baker said emotional and physical trauma can often delay a witness's ability to tell police what happened. "The basic rule of thumb is that we work at the complaining witness's timetable," he said.
The city manager added that the public should not expect daily updates from the city.
The intense coverage of the story has led to widespread debates. Before Baker explained the search delay, questions had been raised as to whether the accuser's criminal record affected police action.
Probe 1 Da Vinci Street.
Witness to one child beaten to death and another one thrown against the wall?
Do you have the house number on hand?
So she watched a kid get beat to death and another thrown against a wall? My goodness, this is just unbelievable
It is all starting to come together, I think, I hope. Legal strategery.
I feel bad for her,she has had a rough life, blah, blah, blah.
Because of her bad decisions in her life she in nothing more than a 2 bit Durham, barely not a street walking, whore.
SO what happens when she gets taken to Durham Access (after a mystery 30 minute ride in a car with an opportunistic whore) and she knows she is in a shit load of trouble? Lies to get out of it...back to the simple.
It started simple until the agenda driven latched on to it.
If the agenda driven had left it alone, it would have died the death it deserved.
But no matter the lives of three innocent boys were turned upside down, the agenda driven latched on to it like a newborn on a nipple.
Gottlieb screws the Duke kids
Nifong gets elected.
(just to name 2)
Meanwhile Brian Taylor the pimp, is driving Miss Medina shrouded in the protection of the NCCU crowd.
The "established" whore houses remain in business--as long as they are not run by Hispanics, they are safe.
If the feds entered this case I would guess the forced resignations in Durham City would be at a record high.
Cold case murder arrest is made, By Ray Gronberg : The Herald-Sun, Aug 21, 2006
DURHAM -- Durham police have charged a long-time suspect in the case with murder in connection with the 2001 strangulation death of Shirley Pounds, a 61-year-old woman who lived on DaVinci Street in the Kerrwood neighborhood. -cut-
That changed recently when the Durham Police Department's homicide unit reopened the case, assigned new investigators to it and developed "other leads," Police Chief Steve Chalmers said, without elaborating.
"If the feds entered this case I would guess the forced resignations in Durham City would be at a record high."
An FBI agent spoke at a newsconference this week flanked by a smiling Chief Chalmers, when announcing the hispanic brothel ring bust. Led all the local TV news broadcasts that day and no doubt reassured the Good Citizens of Durham the police were on the job.
There have been a number of cold cases solved recently, as cited in previous threads.
Owner ID: 8300189
Owner Address: MANGUM CRYSTAL GAIL
909 DA VINCI ST
DURHAM, NC 27704-3343
Tax Year: 2004, Receipt No: 4417216, Rate Year: 2004, Parcel Ref. Number: Personal, Due Date: 06/01/2005, Total Owned: $45.51, Amount Due: $45.51, Tax District: 1, Taxable Value: $2,320.00
Webster O'Neal Steele, 40, of 1011 DaVinci St., was arrested at a state prison Monday and taken to the Durham County Jail,
Steele also faces a charge of felonious breaking and entering that accuses him of breaking into Pounds' home at 803 DaVinci St. on Aug. 22, 2001, with the intention of committing a larceny.
Yeah, I take that back...the FBI and Smilin' Sam.
Hope the lawyers can do what the law would not.
The point to be made:
"...That changed recently when the Durham Police Department's homicide unit reopened the case, assigned new investigators to it and developed "other leads," Police Chief Steve Chalmers said, without elaborating. .."
As xo reminded us,anotherold haunt of AV
The AV's is a lifestyle I am glad I don't understand. Nifong didn't know what he was getting into, that you and other freepers were going to be making his life miserable.
Ask my family...I can be their worse nightmare....
It's funny how life changes.
The very traits which got me into so much trouble when I was just a little whipper snapper are the traits that help me so much as an adult.
Stubborn, headstrong, mind always spinning trying to figure something out.
(Of course there was that one year in 3rd grade that my name may as well have been on the principle's door. I even had a desk, LOL)
Am I mistaken, or did we not hear/read that there was no toxicology report?
It's safe to say she has been probed more than 5 times.....
"Report" is the keyword.
What is that???
As in "written report?"
The point to be made:
Well, no wonder Nikki didn't mind
dumping her off to the police.
That is a different case.
In a separate case, Durham Police say a Durham man, who is already awaiting trial on a murder charge, was also arrested today and charged with killing a 22 month old boy last summer.
Justin Jaquane Hope, 26, was arrested on the one-year anniversary of the death of the child, Deshaun Williamson, say police. Hope was a friend of the child's family and was babysitting Deshaun and two other children when the toddler was injured.
Officers responded to a call about an unresponsive child at 901 Chalk Level Road, Apt. S-4 around 10:22 a.m. on August 18, 2005. When they arrived, they found Deshaun, who was not breathing. The child was taken to Duke University Hospital, where he was pronounced dead.
An initial examination showed no outward signs of trauma, but an autopsy revealed that the child suffered a fractured skull and died as a result of blunt force trauma, say police.
Hope is also charged with assault on a child under 12 for allegedly throwing Deshaun's 5-year-old brother against a brick wall, say police. The brother did not suffer any serious injuries. ...
Nikki's hands are not clean in this...at all.
There is a setup here somewhere, at what point it began I do not know.
I do not buy for a minute av and Kim did not know each other prior to that night.
Someone has been singing to the cops.
How long could it take to concoct a story that falls apart this easily, maybe 20 or 30 minutes, perhaps while painting your fingernails, in a bathroom or something...
So DPD knew her well, then?
No wonder they knew to check on her kids that night.
I don't know. If it was a set-up, Kim and the accuser didn't do a very good job. None of the versions of their stories match up at all. Kim initially said the rape claim was a crock. She also made some comments that really hurt the accuser's case in her initial statement. She said they were apart for less than five minutes and when they finally were in the car she said the accuser wanted to go back into the house because she thought she could make more money.
Kim changed her story but only after Nifong gave her favorable treatment on a bail issue. And even her final version of the story doesn't match up with what the accuser says.
As for the accuser she said at various points that Kim had assisted in the rape, stolen her money and all her stuff and pushed her out of the car and onto the street.
I don't think it was a set-up. Kim had a drunk woman on her hands and wanted her out of her car. She probably drove around for awhile and made an attempt to find out where the accuser lived. Eventually she got fed up and had a security guard call the police and washed her hands of it. The accuser came to at some point and realized she was in danger of being involuntarily committed. She told a lie to get out of that situation. Since she was wasted and making up a story on the fly her narrative is all over the page.
If this was a set-up Kim wouldn't have called the rape allegations a crock. She wouldn't have dumped the accuser in a Kroger parking lot either. Kim isn't stupid. She would have gotten with the program alot quicker if this was a scam.
What they had going for them is "hey, this is Durham" and had it stayed in Durham, it might have worked.
But what they forgot was the big fish/small pond factor.
The great white sharks are not to be messed with.
I am having trouble reconciling a 30 minute drive with a stranger in the car. Where did Kim go, who did she talk to?
And why would a prostitute who has not paid back one dime of her obligation be so willing to dump precious in the lap of the cops?
Reading the 911 transcripts, she seemed too eager to tell "what happened."
And it might not have been a setup from the beginning. But at some point someone who wanted Duke taken down decided this was the time to do it.
This could be where the "theres more money to be made in there" came from. Kim is the mystery, did she know about and originally not want to go along with or not know at all, but in either case went along when she found a way to "spin it to her advantage"
Kim arrived at Kroger well before the 1:22 call, I believe.
She must have been there for at least a few minutes talking to the guard and with the guard trying to talk to Crystal before the call.
I think I read somewhere that Kim actually arrived at Kroger around 1:00.
That very well could be it. An opportunity to be had. I can't remember, have we discussed whether or not precious was just acting? I am going to sleep on that. night,all!
Thanks, I'll check on that.
I think Kim called various escort services trying to figure out where the accuser lived. Maybe she drove to a wrong address. I don't know what they did but I doubt they concocted a story. Kim's goal was to get rid of the accuser and she even had the police called to do it. She then said what she had to in order to get herself out of the situation. She then left. She didn't care what the cops did with the accuser.
The cops who initially saw Precious did not believe her story. That seems clear to me. Someone at Duke was informed that the entire thing would blow over and one of the reasons was that Precious had no credibility. They probably knew who she was if she's had this many encounters with the police. They didn't push to get a search warrant or do anything. I don't think they believed her at all.
I think the set-up, if you want to call it that, started when someone else came into the picture and decided to push this case. Nifong had a political motive. Gottlieb clearly hates Dukies. I think they're the ones who set this up. I don't think Kim and Crystal set it up themselves.
I just had a crazy idea. I think it was Kim who told the security guard that Crystal was drunk. When the guard calls 911, she does not know what color Kim's car is, she has to ask Kim. So the the guard must not have gone out to see Crystal. So the guard's opinion of Crystal's condition must have come from Kim.
Kim is telling the security guard what to say. You can hear Kim in the background of the 911 call.
I think I just put a hole in my arrival time theory.
If Kim and the guard had been out to the car trying to talk to Crystal, etc., the guard would have known what color Kim's car was in the 1:22 call.
So now I think Kim did not ask the guard to call 911 until right at 1:22, and at that time, the guard had not been out to look at the car yet.
This would put Kim's arrival back near 1:22 again.
Personally, I don't believe for a second that Kim tried to find out where the AV lived.
Remember, Kim seems to have been recruited by Simeon. What was Simeon's angle? Willie Gary? Jesse Jackson? Civil Lawsuit. What was the environment at that time?
1). There was no monetary value in saying it didn't happen and Kim would have been villified in the black community. More than villified. Remember the environment at the time - Black Panters, Jesse Jackson, Victoria Peterson.
2) Some in Durham like Kim's lawyer believed there was potentially a civil lawsuit or maybe a large settlement to make it go away. Kim doesn't need much convincing to be on the side of Green.
Actions speak louder than words. Kim's actions that night show, IMO, she was not concerned about Crystal. It does show she was concerned with getting her out of her car and getting out of Dodge.
In short, Crystal became a celebrity and a cause in the weeks after the party and Kim's only opportunity to benefit personally was to get on that bandwagon.
We need to examine those radio tranmissions closely and compare them with times. The nurse at Durham access describes Crystal as being INCOHERENT - So how does she convey the information on her kids? That is the question.
Nifong, Gottlieb, and Linwood Wilson are NOT turning over documents and information required by law?
I can't even feign being shocked anymore.
However, one has to wonder why they are withholding documents?
Why did Nifong give up some of his advantages by agreeing to let in a Judge from another stable?
With all the damaging information to have come out on the prosecution's case - it's hard to fathom that this case could bear anymore hits at this point.
It just doesn't make any sense for Nifong to be resisting by withholding - unless the information is bad news for him and his case.
How long will it take Judge Smith to see what is going on here?
If you're working on a theory - throw out what Kim says.
She is going to say what personally benefits her at that given moment.
"The defense said that while the message specified a June 5 deadline for compliance -- with threats of disciplinary action for failure to comply -- there is evidence police have not fully complied."
I have said from the beginning that someone needed to explain the favorable treatment to Kim and Crystal.
Crystal was charged with TEN Felonies. TEN !
She gets offered a deal of 4 misdemeanors and 2 or 3 Saturdays in jail?
No one has explained how a very poor woman - according to reported income - could afford a Power Broker in Durham like Woody Vann. And then why does Vann feel compelled to take to the air wave and publicly defend a woman that he has represented once four years prior?
This treatment belies her status as portrayed by Vann, the Police, Nifong, and the Media.
I said in April that I thought the AV was an informant at some point in her past.
Crooked District Attorney? LOL! (Couldn't resist - good morning...)
That does explain a lot doesn't it!
I repeat the old questions: "Mr. Nifong, what are you hiding. Who are you protecting?"
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