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Lacrosse players' defense: Documents being withheld
HeraldSun ^ | September 1, 2006 | William F. West

Posted on 09/01/2006 10:19:41 PM PDT by Protect the Bill of Rights

Lacrosse players' defense: Documents being withheld

 




By William F. West : The Herald-Sun
bwest@heraldsun.com
Sep 1, 2006 : 11:20 pm ET

DURHAM -- Attorneys for the three Duke lacrosse players charged with assaulting an exotic dancer claim District Attorney Mike Nifong and police still haven't provided several vital documents in the case, as required by law.

As a result, the defense lawyers have filed papers in Superior Court calling for Nifong to produce those documents.

The request to Judge Osmond Smith comes after Durham County's chief prosecutor told Smith and defense lawyers at a recent meeting that a toxicology report indicated the accuser's tested negative for the presence of controlled substances.

That undercuts public hints by Nifong in April that the woman might have been given a date-rape drug, defense attorney Kirk Osborn said.

In court papers filed this week, the defense argued it hasn't seen the written report despite indications Nifong would provide copies.

In addition, the defense is calling for Nifong to hand over complete copies of information regarding laboratory testing in the case by the State Bureau of Investigation and by the testing firm DNA Security Inc.

The Herald-Sun was not able to reach attorneys for the three indicted athletes -- Reade Seligmann, 20; Collin Finnerty, 19; and David Evans, 23 -- for comment Friday.

Seligmann, Finnerty and Evans maintain their innocence on all counts -- rape, kidnapping and sexual offense -- in connection with allegations surrounding events at the lacrosse team party March 13 at 610 N. Buchanan Blvd., next to Duke's East Campus.

Nifong didn't respond to a request for comment left with his office Friday.

In its filing this week, the defense also is pressing for more information about what happened in the hours after the alleged attack, particularly information regarding the accuser's trip with police to the Durham Access Center, a mental health and substance abuse facility, for involuntary commitment.

The accuser reportedly began making rape allegations while at that center.

The defense cites the lack of a substantive report about the accuser's presence at the center, and the defense points to a blank check-in log as an example of inadequate information.

In addition, the defense wants to find out what was said at a meeting Nifong and police had with the accuser April 11 at the county courthouse.

The defense said Nifong argued to an earlier judge that such information was off-limits to the defense.

More specifically, the defense argues Nifong claimed at a case hearing June 22 that the defense was not entitled to know because facts regarding the legal action were not discussed with the accuser. And the defense adds that Nifong considers that to be a confidential communication.

Debunking that argument, the defense says, is that an investigator -- Sgt. Mark Gottlieb -- in a typewritten narrative said Nifong and the accuser met and talked about the case.

The defense points out, additionally, that a police major issued a memo stating all police personnel involved in the investigation were directed to produce all e-mails to and from one other about the case.

The defense said that while the message specified a June 5 deadline for compliance -- with threats of disciplinary action for failure to comply -- there is evidence police have not fully complied.

The defense argues that, in one instance, a crime scene investigator produced a number of e-mails -- but only after defense attorney Brad Bannon found them in the investigator's case file July 18 while at the police station.

The defense goes on to contend that nearly a dozen law enforcement officers who have been involved in the case have not provided all their handwritten notes.

The defense also wants to know more about what police have on file about the woman's background in Durham and about her interaction with the local criminal justice system.

The defense, again citing the July 18 date, argues that Bannon's review of an investigative file at the police station reflects the accuser was involved -- as a suspect, witness or otherwise -- in at least five other probes.

And the defense wants to see what police may have communicated to the Durham City Council.

According to the defense, Gottlieb, in a typewritten document, said that on April 4, he was asked by a captain to produce a timeline of events for the city manager, Patrick Baker, for possible presentation to the council.

The defense wants a copy of that timeline plus a report of the substance of any meetings between or among law enforcement officers, the manager and any council member.

Baker soon afterward briefed the City Council on several points about the case.
 



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Hats off to xoxoxox who posted this on the old thread.
1 posted on 09/01/2006 10:19:41 PM PDT by Protect the Bill of Rights
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To: xoxoxox; maggief; Mike Nifong; abb; Ken H; TommyDale; Howlin; Jezebelle; JLS; Neverforget01

Ping to new article

Abb I know I left alot out, could you ping them in the morning, please?


2 posted on 09/01/2006 10:23:45 PM PDT by Protect the Bill of Rights (quent)
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To: Protect the Bill of Rights

Important points:

AV in subject in at least 5 otherprobes (newspeak for investigation)

Baker wanted to give a presentation to the City Council

I have always thought it strange there was no paperwork for Durham Access. If it is not documented, it did not happen. For all practical purposes, if there is nothing, she was not at DA. Admittedly, I am applying medical standards to the courthouse setting.

It is finally time for the judge to put up or shut up.


3 posted on 09/01/2006 10:27:05 PM PDT by Protect the Bill of Rights (quent)
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To: Protect the Bill of Rights

"According to the defense, Gottlieb, in a typewritten document, said that on April 4, he was asked by a captain to produce a timeline of events for the city manager, Patrick Baker, for possible presentation to the council.

The defense wants a copy of that timeline plus a report of the substance of any meetings between or among law enforcement officers, the manager and any council member. "

**The cover-up of the frame-up of the rip-off.**

FIVE OTHER PROBES ! ! Hhhmmmm... any unsolved crimes in the neighborhood?

How about quadruple homicides, cross-burnings, ...
maybe they will be all solved now
in time for the election?

Da Vinci Street?


4 posted on 09/01/2006 10:27:58 PM PDT by xoxoxox
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To: xoxoxox

BTW,Cornelius Hines, owner of the Esquire:

Foreclosure
July 2006

http://rodweb.co.durham.nc.us/imgcache/opr2006034690-1-2.pdf


5 posted on 09/01/2006 10:42:34 PM PDT by Protect the Bill of Rights (quent)
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To: Protect the Bill of Rights

Manager: Scanty info delayed search, N&O, Khanna; Staff Writer, April 7, 2006

DURHAM -- City Manager Patrick Baker said in an interview Thursday that it took two days before police searched the house where a woman said she was raped because 31 hours passed before she was able to provide details about what happened.

Earlier in the day, Baker went before the Durham City Council to address widespread questions on the timeliness of parts of the investigation into a March 13 Duke University lacrosse team party.
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The woman reported the rape within an hour, according to police. She couldn't provide a lengthy interview until later, Baker said. In his address to the council, Baker said emotional and physical trauma can often delay a witness's ability to tell police what happened. "The basic rule of thumb is that we work at the complaining witness's timetable," he said.

The city manager added that the public should not expect daily updates from the city.

The intense coverage of the story has led to widespread debates. Before Baker explained the search delay, questions had been raised as to whether the accuser's criminal record affected police action.


6 posted on 09/01/2006 10:42:40 PM PDT by xoxoxox
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To: xoxoxox

Probe 1 Da Vinci Street.
OMG,last year.
The breakdown
Witness to one child beaten to death and another one thrown against the wall?

Do you have the house number on hand?


7 posted on 09/01/2006 10:45:14 PM PDT by Protect the Bill of Rights (quent)
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To: Protect the Bill of Rights

Hines
Chapter13 1995

http://rodweb.co.durham.nc.us/imgcache/opr95015525-1-1.pdf


8 posted on 09/01/2006 10:48:20 PM PDT by Protect the Bill of Rights (quent)
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To: Protect the Bill of Rights

So she watched a kid get beat to death and another thrown against a wall? My goodness, this is just unbelievable


9 posted on 09/01/2006 10:57:55 PM PDT by old and cranky (You! Out Of The Gene Pool - Now!)
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To: xoxoxox

It is all starting to come together, I think, I hope. Legal strategery.

I feel bad for her,she has had a rough life, blah, blah, blah.

Because of her bad decisions in her life she in nothing more than a 2 bit Durham, barely not a street walking, whore.

SO what happens when she gets taken to Durham Access (after a mystery 30 minute ride in a car with an opportunistic whore) and she knows she is in a shit load of trouble? Lies to get out of it...back to the simple.

It started simple until the agenda driven latched on to it.
If the agenda driven had left it alone, it would have died the death it deserved.

But no matter the lives of three innocent boys were turned upside down, the agenda driven latched on to it like a newborn on a nipple.

Gottlieb screws the Duke kids
Nifong gets elected.
(just to name 2)

Meanwhile Brian Taylor the pimp, is driving Miss Medina shrouded in the protection of the NCCU crowd.

The "established" whore houses remain in business--as long as they are not run by Hispanics, they are safe.

If the feds entered this case I would guess the forced resignations in Durham City would be at a record high.


10 posted on 09/01/2006 11:01:09 PM PDT by Protect the Bill of Rights (quent)
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To: Protect the Bill of Rights

Cold case murder arrest is made, By Ray Gronberg : The Herald-Sun, Aug 21, 2006

DURHAM -- Durham police have charged a long-time suspect in the case with murder in connection with the 2001 strangulation death of Shirley Pounds, a 61-year-old woman who lived on DaVinci Street in the Kerrwood neighborhood. -cut-

That changed recently when the Durham Police Department's homicide unit reopened the case, assigned new investigators to it and developed "other leads," Police Chief Steve Chalmers said, without elaborating.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1684229/posts?page=626#626


11 posted on 09/01/2006 11:06:30 PM PDT by xoxoxox
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To: Protect the Bill of Rights

"If the feds entered this case I would guess the forced resignations in Durham City would be at a record high."

An FBI agent spoke at a newsconference this week flanked by a smiling Chief Chalmers, when announcing the hispanic brothel ring bust. Led all the local TV news broadcasts that day and no doubt reassured the Good Citizens of Durham the police were on the job.

There have been a number of cold cases solved recently, as cited in previous threads.


12 posted on 09/01/2006 11:19:02 PM PDT by xoxoxox
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To: xoxoxox; old and cranky
Had the wrong murder on DaVinci street. So many murders

http://www.dilby.com/duke-lacrosse-team-accuser.htm

Owner ID: 8300189
Owner Address: MANGUM CRYSTAL GAIL
909 DA VINCI ST
DURHAM, NC 27704-3343
Tax Year: 2004, Receipt No: 4417216, Rate Year: 2004, Parcel Ref. Number: Personal, Due Date: 06/01/2005, Total Owned: $45.51, Amount Due: $45.51, Tax District: 1, Taxable Value: $2,320.00


 

Webster O'Neal Steele, 40, of 1011 DaVinci St., was arrested at a state prison Monday and taken to the Durham County Jail,


Steele also faces a charge of felonious breaking and entering that accuses him of breaking into Pounds' home at 803 DaVinci St. on Aug. 22, 2001, with the intention of committing a larceny.


 

 

 

 

13 posted on 09/01/2006 11:24:28 PM PDT by Protect the Bill of Rights (quent)
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To: xoxoxox

Yeah, I take that back...the FBI and Smilin' Sam.

Hope the lawyers can do what the law would not.


14 posted on 09/01/2006 11:26:18 PM PDT by Protect the Bill of Rights (quent)
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To: xoxoxox

It's late

The point to be made:

I-N-F-O-R-M-A-N-T


15 posted on 09/01/2006 11:27:34 PM PDT by Protect the Bill of Rights (quent)
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To: xoxoxox

http://www.heraldsun.com/durham/4-762993.html

"...That changed recently when the Durham Police Department's homicide unit reopened the case, assigned new investigators to it and developed "other leads," Police Chief Steve Chalmers said, without elaborating. .."

As xo reminded us,anotherold haunt of AV


16 posted on 09/01/2006 11:30:46 PM PDT by Protect the Bill of Rights (quent)
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To: Protect the Bill of Rights

The AV's is a lifestyle I am glad I don't understand. Nifong didn't know what he was getting into, that you and other freepers were going to be making his life miserable.


17 posted on 09/01/2006 11:31:53 PM PDT by old and cranky (You! Out Of The Gene Pool - Now!)
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To: abb; Alia; AntiGuv; AmishDude; Bogeygolfer; BossLady; Brytani; beyondashadow; bwteim; Carling; ...
DukeLax Ping!
18 posted on 09/01/2006 11:36:31 PM PDT by Howlin
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To: Protect the Bill of Rights
the accuser was involved -- as a suspect, witness or otherwise -- in at least five other probes.

*Snicker*

19 posted on 09/01/2006 11:39:47 PM PDT by Howlin
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To: old and cranky

Ask my family...I can be their worse nightmare....

It's funny how life changes.

The very traits which got me into so much trouble when I was just a little whipper snapper are the traits that help me so much as an adult.
Stubborn, headstrong, mind always spinning trying to figure something out.
(Of course there was that one year in 3rd grade that my name may as well have been on the principle's door. I even had a desk, LOL)


20 posted on 09/01/2006 11:40:20 PM PDT by Protect the Bill of Rights (quent)
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To: Protect the Bill of Rights

Am I mistaken, or did we not hear/read that there was no toxicology report?


21 posted on 09/01/2006 11:40:47 PM PDT by Howlin
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To: Howlin

It's safe to say she has been probed more than 5 times.....


22 posted on 09/01/2006 11:41:39 PM PDT by Protect the Bill of Rights (quent)
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To: Howlin

parse-o-matic
bubba style.
"Report" is the keyword.


23 posted on 09/01/2006 11:42:41 PM PDT by Protect the Bill of Rights (quent)
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To: Protect the Bill of Rights

What is that???


24 posted on 09/01/2006 11:43:09 PM PDT by Howlin
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To: Protect the Bill of Rights

As in "written report?"


25 posted on 09/01/2006 11:46:54 PM PDT by Howlin
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To: Protect the Bill of Rights

The point to be made:

I-N-F-O-R-M-A-N-T


Well, no wonder Nikki didn't mind
dumping her off to the police.


26 posted on 09/01/2006 11:50:04 PM PDT by xoxoxox
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To: Howlin

That is a different case.
http://www.raleighchronicle.com/2006081804.html

In a separate case, Durham Police say a Durham man, who is already awaiting trial on a murder charge, was also arrested today and charged with killing a 22 month old boy last summer.


Justin Jaquane Hope, 26, was arrested on the one-year anniversary of the death of the child, Deshaun Williamson, say police. Hope was a friend of the child's family and was babysitting Deshaun and two other children when the toddler was injured.


Officers responded to a call about an unresponsive child at 901 Chalk Level Road, Apt. S-4 around 10:22 a.m. on August 18, 2005. When they arrived, they found Deshaun, who was not breathing. The child was taken to Duke University Hospital, where he was pronounced dead.


An initial examination showed no outward signs of trauma, but an autopsy revealed that the child suffered a fractured skull and died as a result of blunt force trauma, say police.


Hope is also charged with assault on a child under 12 for allegedly throwing Deshaun's 5-year-old brother against a brick wall, say police. The brother did not suffer any serious injuries. ...



IIRC, Crystal's aunt (?) lives in that complex and av might have stayed there.

I'll go back and look. But there was a possible connection.


27 posted on 09/01/2006 11:51:41 PM PDT by Protect the Bill of Rights (quent)
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To: Howlin

BINGO!!!


28 posted on 09/01/2006 11:52:09 PM PDT by Protect the Bill of Rights (quent)
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To: xoxoxox

Nikki's hands are not clean in this...at all.

There is a setup here somewhere, at what point it began I do not know.

I do not buy for a minute av and Kim did not know each other prior to that night.

Someone has been singing to the cops.


29 posted on 09/01/2006 11:55:39 PM PDT by Protect the Bill of Rights (quent)
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To: Protect the Bill of Rights

How long could it take to concoct a story that falls apart this easily, maybe 20 or 30 minutes, perhaps while painting your fingernails, in a bathroom or something...


30 posted on 09/01/2006 11:59:38 PM PDT by old and cranky (You! Out Of The Gene Pool - Now!)
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To: All

So DPD knew her well, then?

No wonder they knew to check on her kids that night.


31 posted on 09/02/2006 12:15:36 AM PDT by ltc8k6
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To: Protect the Bill of Rights

I don't know. If it was a set-up, Kim and the accuser didn't do a very good job. None of the versions of their stories match up at all. Kim initially said the rape claim was a crock. She also made some comments that really hurt the accuser's case in her initial statement. She said they were apart for less than five minutes and when they finally were in the car she said the accuser wanted to go back into the house because she thought she could make more money.

Kim changed her story but only after Nifong gave her favorable treatment on a bail issue. And even her final version of the story doesn't match up with what the accuser says.

As for the accuser she said at various points that Kim had assisted in the rape, stolen her money and all her stuff and pushed her out of the car and onto the street.

I don't think it was a set-up. Kim had a drunk woman on her hands and wanted her out of her car. She probably drove around for awhile and made an attempt to find out where the accuser lived. Eventually she got fed up and had a security guard call the police and washed her hands of it. The accuser came to at some point and realized she was in danger of being involuntarily committed. She told a lie to get out of that situation. Since she was wasted and making up a story on the fly her narrative is all over the page.

If this was a set-up Kim wouldn't have called the rape allegations a crock. She wouldn't have dumped the accuser in a Kroger parking lot either. Kim isn't stupid. She would have gotten with the program alot quicker if this was a scam.


32 posted on 09/02/2006 12:16:57 AM PDT by SarahUSC
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To: old and cranky

What they had going for them is "hey, this is Durham" and had it stayed in Durham, it might have worked.

But what they forgot was the big fish/small pond factor.
The great white sharks are not to be messed with.


33 posted on 09/02/2006 12:17:55 AM PDT by Protect the Bill of Rights (quent)
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To: SarahUSC

I am having trouble reconciling a 30 minute drive with a stranger in the car. Where did Kim go, who did she talk to?

And why would a prostitute who has not paid back one dime of her obligation be so willing to dump precious in the lap of the cops?

Reading the 911 transcripts, she seemed too eager to tell "what happened."

And it might not have been a setup from the beginning. But at some point someone who wanted Duke taken down decided this was the time to do it.


34 posted on 09/02/2006 12:24:05 AM PDT by Protect the Bill of Rights (quent)
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To: Protect the Bill of Rights

This could be where the "theres more money to be made in there" came from. Kim is the mystery, did she know about and originally not want to go along with or not know at all, but in either case went along when she found a way to "spin it to her advantage"


35 posted on 09/02/2006 12:24:23 AM PDT by old and cranky (You! Out Of The Gene Pool - Now!)
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To: Protect the Bill of Rights

Kim arrived at Kroger well before the 1:22 call, I believe.

She must have been there for at least a few minutes talking to the guard and with the guard trying to talk to Crystal before the call.

I think I read somewhere that Kim actually arrived at Kroger around 1:00.


36 posted on 09/02/2006 12:28:08 AM PDT by ltc8k6
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To: old and cranky
This could be where the "theres more money to be made in there" came from. Kim is the mystery, did she know about and originally not want to go along with or not know at all, but in either case went along when she found a way to "spin it to her advantage"

That very well could be it. An opportunity to be had. I can't remember, have we discussed whether or not precious was just acting? I am going to sleep on that. night,all!

37 posted on 09/02/2006 12:30:16 AM PDT by Protect the Bill of Rights (quent)
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To: ltc8k6

Thanks, I'll check on that.


38 posted on 09/02/2006 12:37:16 AM PDT by Protect the Bill of Rights (quent)
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To: Protect the Bill of Rights

I think Kim called various escort services trying to figure out where the accuser lived. Maybe she drove to a wrong address. I don't know what they did but I doubt they concocted a story. Kim's goal was to get rid of the accuser and she even had the police called to do it. She then said what she had to in order to get herself out of the situation. She then left. She didn't care what the cops did with the accuser.

The cops who initially saw Precious did not believe her story. That seems clear to me. Someone at Duke was informed that the entire thing would blow over and one of the reasons was that Precious had no credibility. They probably knew who she was if she's had this many encounters with the police. They didn't push to get a search warrant or do anything. I don't think they believed her at all.

I think the set-up, if you want to call it that, started when someone else came into the picture and decided to push this case. Nifong had a political motive. Gottlieb clearly hates Dukies. I think they're the ones who set this up. I don't think Kim and Crystal set it up themselves.


39 posted on 09/02/2006 12:43:58 AM PDT by SarahUSC
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To: Protect the Bill of Rights

I just had a crazy idea. I think it was Kim who told the security guard that Crystal was drunk. When the guard calls 911, she does not know what color Kim's car is, she has to ask Kim. So the the guard must not have gone out to see Crystal. So the guard's opinion of Crystal's condition must have come from Kim.

Kim is telling the security guard what to say. You can hear Kim in the background of the 911 call.


40 posted on 09/02/2006 12:56:22 AM PDT by ltc8k6
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To: Protect the Bill of Rights

I think I just put a hole in my arrival time theory.

If Kim and the guard had been out to the car trying to talk to Crystal, etc., the guard would have known what color Kim's car was in the 1:22 call.

So now I think Kim did not ask the guard to call 911 until right at 1:22, and at that time, the guard had not been out to look at the car yet.

This would put Kim's arrival back near 1:22 again.


41 posted on 09/02/2006 1:15:37 AM PDT by ltc8k6
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To: All

Personally, I don't believe for a second that Kim tried to find out where the AV lived.

Remember, Kim seems to have been recruited by Simeon. What was Simeon's angle? Willie Gary? Jesse Jackson? Civil Lawsuit. What was the environment at that time?

1). There was no monetary value in saying it didn't happen and Kim would have been villified in the black community. More than villified. Remember the environment at the time - Black Panters, Jesse Jackson, Victoria Peterson.

2) Some in Durham like Kim's lawyer believed there was potentially a civil lawsuit or maybe a large settlement to make it go away. Kim doesn't need much convincing to be on the side of Green.

Actions speak louder than words. Kim's actions that night show, IMO, she was not concerned about Crystal. It does show she was concerned with getting her out of her car and getting out of Dodge.

In short, Crystal became a celebrity and a cause in the weeks after the party and Kim's only opportunity to benefit personally was to get on that bandwagon.

We need to examine those radio tranmissions closely and compare them with times. The nurse at Durham access describes Crystal as being INCOHERENT - So how does she convey the information on her kids? That is the question.


42 posted on 09/02/2006 1:38:12 AM PDT by Mike Nifong (Somebody Stop Me !)
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To: Protect the Bill of Rights

Nifong, Gottlieb, and Linwood Wilson are NOT turning over documents and information required by law?

I can't even feign being shocked anymore.

However, one has to wonder why they are withholding documents?

Why did Nifong give up some of his advantages by agreeing to let in a Judge from another stable?

With all the damaging information to have come out on the prosecution's case - it's hard to fathom that this case could bear anymore hits at this point.

It just doesn't make any sense for Nifong to be resisting by withholding - unless the information is bad news for him and his case.

How long will it take Judge Smith to see what is going on here?


43 posted on 09/02/2006 1:46:30 AM PDT by Mike Nifong (Somebody Stop Me !)
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To: ltc8k6

If you're working on a theory - throw out what Kim says.

She is going to say what personally benefits her at that given moment.


44 posted on 09/02/2006 1:48:35 AM PDT by Mike Nifong (Somebody Stop Me !)
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To: Protect the Bill of Rights; All
From your article:

"The defense said that while the message specified a June 5 deadline for compliance -- with threats of disciplinary action for failure to comply -- there is evidence police have not fully complied."

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45 posted on 09/02/2006 1:52:27 AM PDT by Mike Nifong (Somebody Stop Me !)
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To: maggief; All
Courtesy of Maggief: -
46 posted on 09/02/2006 2:00:47 AM PDT by Mike Nifong (Somebody Stop Me !)
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To: Protect the Bill of Rights; maggief; JLS; All

I have said from the beginning that someone needed to explain the favorable treatment to Kim and Crystal.

Crystal was charged with TEN Felonies. TEN !

She gets offered a deal of 4 misdemeanors and 2 or 3 Saturdays in jail?

No one has explained how a very poor woman - according to reported income - could afford a Power Broker in Durham like Woody Vann. And then why does Vann feel compelled to take to the air wave and publicly defend a woman that he has represented once four years prior?

This treatment belies her status as portrayed by Vann, the Police, Nifong, and the Media.

I said in April that I thought the AV was an informant at some point in her past.


47 posted on 09/02/2006 2:24:54 AM PDT by Mike Nifong (Somebody Stop Me !)
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To: Mike Nifong
I have said from the beginning that someone needed to explain the favorable treatment to Kim and Crystal.

Crooked District Attorney? LOL! (Couldn't resist - good morning...)

48 posted on 09/02/2006 2:34:12 AM PDT by abb (The Dinosaur Media: A One-Way Medium in a Two-Way World)
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To: abb

That does explain a lot doesn't it!

LoL!


49 posted on 09/02/2006 2:36:01 AM PDT by Mike Nifong (Somebody Stop Me !)
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To: Howlin

I repeat the old questions: "Mr. Nifong, what are you hiding. Who are you protecting?"


50 posted on 09/02/2006 2:48:21 AM PDT by Enterprise (Let's not enforce laws that are already on the books, let's just write new laws we won't enforce.)
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