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To: MineralMan
"In reality, today's apes and humans have evolved to the state they are in from a common ancestor species."

What do you suppose that species was like? If apes and humans evolved from the same species, wouldn't skills needed to survive and environments have been the same? I wonder why only humans have mastered the use of fire for survival? Certainly all the apes could have benefited from the use of fire.
50 posted on 09/20/2006 10:53:04 AM PDT by ryan71
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To: ryan71

"What do you suppose that species was like? If apes and humans evolved from the same species, wouldn't skills needed to survive and environments have been the same? I wonder why only humans have mastered the use of fire for survival? Certainly all the apes could have benefited from the use of fire.
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I don't actually know. Perhaps someone else here can point you to fossil remains of the proto-ape. I do know that it was a mammal, and probably an ape-like critter, but more than that I cannot say.

As for the same environment, animals move in search of food, water, and to avoid overcrowding. The proto-ape moved also, no doubt.

Separation is often a trigger for separate species to emerge. Here's how it might work with the proto-ape. Remember, this is just a thought experiment, not a description of the exact process that occurred.

One group of apes lives on the edge of a lake. Another species moves to the edge of a dry, broad savannah with little water available.

As adaptation occurs through random variations in genetics, the group that lives next to the water favors the development of apes that can swim well. These would be able to gather food from the water and escape predators by swimming.

The group that lives next to the savannah might favor apes that can run well in an upright position. These would be able to chase small animals and escape predators.

As evolution proceeds further, and as populations move into different areas or conditions change, more changes take place in both populations through the adaptive process, over many, many generations. At some point, the changes become too large for the two populations to interbreed, thereby creating two new species.

Repeat this separation and adaptation for a few million years and you have chimpanzees and human beings. That's basically how it works.

The question of the use of fire is a completely separate one. Until human beings evolved to a certain intelligence level, they would not have been able to utilize fire for their purposes. Fire is a dangerous thing to most animals, and confining it for use demands human-scale intelligence. Apes other than humans do not use fire because they are incapable of doing so. They don't need it, since their diet of raw food does not require it.


55 posted on 09/20/2006 11:05:12 AM PDT by MineralMan
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To: ryan71
If apes and humans evolved from the same species, wouldn't skills needed to survive and environments have been the same?

One theory is that the common ancestor lived in the Forest that used to cover the sub-saharan region of the African continent. The forests receded and the grassy savana expanded. Apes generally stayed with the trees. The human ancestor (probably shared with the baboon) moved out onto the savanah. Walking upright helped cool the brain, freed up the hands, which then created a feedback-loop that spurred further developments in intelligence (toolmaking). Just passing this along... not saying I necessarily buy it.

89 posted on 09/20/2006 12:00:06 PM PDT by Tallguy (The problem with this war is the name... You don't wage war against a tactic.)
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