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Q. If We Remove Ahmadinajad, Do We Still Need to Nation-Build?
Self | 9/21/06 | kenavi

Posted on 09/21/2006 1:40:22 PM PDT by kenavi

I would like to poll Freepers their opinion to this question.

We have our hands full in Iraq, keeping warring factions apart.

Our biggest fear is that if we leave too soon, Iran takes over.

What if we made our next priority getting rid of Ach-the-Mad's regime?

How do you think this would change the dynamics for us to need to keep troops on the ground in the Middle East, as well as other consequences?


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I would like to know your opinion. Thanks!
1 posted on 09/21/2006 1:40:24 PM PDT by kenavi
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in simple terms you are asking if we should cut and run.


2 posted on 09/21/2006 1:42:27 PM PDT by JohnLongIsland
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To: kenavi

If we can drop our reliance on his, and other turd world dictator's, oil then he will go away on his own.


3 posted on 09/21/2006 1:42:49 PM PDT by P-40 (Al Qaeda was working in Iraq. They were just undocumented.)
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I doubt that putting boots on the ground in Iran is a very top plan for the USA. Knocking out nuclear sites much like Israel did to Iraq in the 1980s is probably what the USA will do.


4 posted on 09/21/2006 1:42:59 PM PDT by avacado
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To: kenavi

No, just kill Imamadjihadi, bomb the nuke and military sites (including workers and infra-structure like local power plants to run the centrifuges), and bomb/mine the major roads to/from Iraq.

Whatever comes out of the rubble can't be worse.

I WOULD arm the kurds.


5 posted on 09/21/2006 1:43:17 PM PDT by MeanWestTexan (Kol Hakavod Lezahal)
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To: kenavi
If Ahmadinajad and the Clerics were removed from power, the people would have to do it unless there is a direct threat or evidence of such against us.

I don't know that we are needed yet. Could happen and we'll cross that bridge then I figure.

6 posted on 09/21/2006 1:43:19 PM PDT by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: JohnLongIsland

We made a commitment to the people of Iran.


7 posted on 09/21/2006 1:43:45 PM PDT by Ben Mugged
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To: kenavi

I think the Iranians would be able to handle it themselves.


8 posted on 09/21/2006 1:44:30 PM PDT by cripplecreek (If stupidity got us into this mess, then why can't it get us out?)
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To: kenavi

Iran should solve its own problems. We could go in and at a cost of lives take him out but I doubt that we would be seen as saviors and we'd have an even bigger mess than in Iraq.


9 posted on 09/21/2006 1:44:46 PM PDT by Leg Olam ("There are some people that if they don't know, you can't tell them." Louis Armstrong)
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If We Remove Ahmadinajad, Do We Still Need to Nation-Build?

That all depends on whether we need to deal with the half-life of radiation.

10 posted on 09/21/2006 1:45:50 PM PDT by theDentist (Qwerty ergo typo : I type, therefore I misspelll.)
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Take out the all the Mullahs and The Dictator along with his henchmen with a few dozen Tomahawks......Let the citizens rise up and elect a government themselves. Seems simplistic, I know....but just MHO.


11 posted on 09/21/2006 1:45:55 PM PDT by scottdeus12 (Jesus is real, whether you believe in Him or not.)
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Kill the front man, the band still plays in the background. The mulahs have to be taken out. This isn't Iraq; you're talking about not only a politically repressed nation, but also culturally.

Though this time, I don't care if it is a street sweeper doing it, SOMEONE surrenders to US forces.
12 posted on 09/21/2006 1:47:07 PM PDT by kingu (No, I don't use sarcasm tags - it confuses people.)
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To: kenavi
The Iranian population is in much better shape than the Iraqi population was. They are wealthier, better-educated and more resistant to Islamofascist propaganda - they even have anti-Islamofascist street protests.

Iran is not a dictatorship - it is an undemocratic oligarchy with a semblance of democratic process.

Apples and oranges.

13 posted on 09/21/2006 1:47:32 PM PDT by wideawake ("The nation which forgets its defenders will itself be forgotten." - Calvin Coolidge)
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I say we take out the Iranian nuke industry in an air campaign, with very limited spec ops on the ground, if absolutely necessary. We don't have the resources or the boots to invade Iran, a much bigger country than Iraq.

If AchHitlerbad was accidentally killed in the bombing, that would be gravy.

I think Iran is different than Iraq, that if the Mullets were ever deposed, the nation wouldn't have to be rebuilt. Something like this might destabilize them - they are loathed by their own people.

14 posted on 09/21/2006 1:48:00 PM PDT by colorado tanker
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I think when the Iraq government is able to take over without us, we should leave the Middle East. I have my doubts whether the Sunnis and Shiites can coexist under any type of government, given their thousands of years of history. It is not our job to spread "democracy" throughout the world.
In other words I hope that soon it will be time to stick to our own knitting, although we should continue to stand with Israel.


































































15 posted on 09/21/2006 1:50:24 PM PDT by Paperdoll
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No, we don't. I've posted this short article before, written by a former German intel guy. http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/HB03Ak02.html


16 posted on 09/21/2006 1:52:39 PM PDT by monkeywrench (Deut. 27:17 Cursed be he that removeth his neighbor's landmark)
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"The character of this war will be completely different from the Iraq war. No show-casing of democracy, no "nation-building", no journalists, no Red Cross - but the kind of war the United States would have fought in North Vietnam if it had not had to reckon with the Soviet Union and China."


17 posted on 09/21/2006 1:57:08 PM PDT by kenavi (Save romance. Stop teen sex.)
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You would have to weaken the central government of Iran sufficiently to allow the people to reestablish control in the form of a democracy.

It is why we went into Iraq from the longer term view.

18 posted on 09/21/2006 2:00:13 PM PDT by Cold Heat (I just analyze it, I did not create the mess...so go pound sand:-))
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To: Paperdoll
we should leave the Middle East.

We may pull most of our forces out of Iraq, but we will never leave the Middle East, until it becomes stable.

The idea that our presence alone causes the instability is a false premise. It is the excuse that many tend to use, but it is only a excuse, and not the cause.

Our existance is the cause.

19 posted on 09/21/2006 2:04:42 PM PDT by Cold Heat (I just analyze it, I did not create the mess...so go pound sand:-))
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Absolutely not! We should have never taken on the responsibility in Iraq but since we have we need to finish there...but NEVER AGAIN.

We need to take out the Mullahs and Ahmanutjob and bomb their nuke facilities into dust...after that the Iranian people can clean up the mess and get about the business of running their own country.

And another thing...we're going to have to take care of Iran before we're ever going to be able to get out of Iraq. Iran is behind 90% of the bad stuff happening there and that won't end until we crush the Iranian government.

20 posted on 09/21/2006 2:09:53 PM PDT by pgkdan
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