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(Vanity) Confessions of a Crunchy Con, or, You Can't Judge a Conservative by his Birkenstocks
grey_whiskers ^ | 10-01-2006 | grey_whiskers

Posted on 10/01/2006 6:35:05 PM PDT by grey_whiskers

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To: Mrs. Don-o

Ordinarily, a person's family size wouldn't be any of my business. However, Mr. Dreher identifies himself as a "natalist," a family-first ideologue, even to the point of believing that the government should subsidize that lifestyle over others. He's also written about how difficult NFP is, which suggests that the two-child family was deliberately chosen, and some other value chosen in the place of offspring.

My very strong opinion is that the "crunchy-con" thing is simply the glorification of personal preference, a shallow ideology that elevates appearance over content.


21 posted on 10/02/2006 5:49:57 AM PDT by Tax-chick ("There's nowhere to go and you've got all day to get there ... on some beach, somewhere.")
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To: Mrs. Don-o; grey_whiskers

This is not to say that the Drehers aren't outrageously swell people! It's only that I find his socio-political-religious intellectual construct, based on his published writings, to be lacking in coherence and consistency.

Mr. Whiskers, going back to your original post, I'd say that you're a "Dreherite" only if you think that the government should subsidize your health-and-fitness choices at the expense of others.

(Truth in advertising: I make my own granola and use flax-seed oil. I wear SAS sandals in the summer and loafers in the winter. And Brooks sneakers; I couldn't run in Birkenstocks with my weak ankles.)


22 posted on 10/02/2006 6:19:24 AM PDT by Tax-chick ("There's nowhere to go and you've got all day to get there ... on some beach, somewhere.")
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To: Tax-chick
Mr. Whiskers, going back to your original post, I'd say that you're a "Dreherite" only if you think that the government should subsidize your health-and-fitness choices at the expense of others.

Have to bike to work--I think it'd be better for the government to subsidize (not MANDATE) prevention rather than pay through the nose for those who didn't take *some* effort to stay healthy. That's better than subsidizing 350-lb bozos for their years of killing themselves, after they have diabetes, etc. etc., at *MY* expense.

(Bike paths, subsidized vitamins and routine preventative physicals, that kind of thing. Give incentives to nudge the free market...you just inspired another opinion piece.)

Cheers!

23 posted on 10/02/2006 6:31:29 AM PDT by grey_whiskers
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To: Tax-chick; grey_whiskers

You both have made excellent points. Mr. Whiskers, I believe you were talking about "taking back" conservative (and conservation) issues that the lefties stole from us, and Tax-Chick, you are objecting to Dreher's idea of government sponsorship of a particular lifestyle. Both your viewpoints have great merit, but I don't believe they are irreconcilable.

(Full disclosure: herb-tea drinking, yoga-practicing, environmentalist vegetarian Republican here, LOL!)


24 posted on 10/02/2006 7:16:26 AM PDT by alwaysconservative (Prayers going up for Common Tator.)
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To: Tax-chick

My own opinion that "Crunchy Con" was an interesting and thought-provoking small article prematurely expanded into a thin and loosely-reasoned book, lacking sufficient muscle tone to carry the ideological position it defends. It does read, in places,like a style piece asking for a more quirky and refined consumerism.

Rod's better than that. Some of his stuff at Dallas Morning News has verged on heroic.


25 posted on 10/02/2006 7:16:34 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Inquiring minds want to know.)
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To: grey_whiskers; alwaysconservative
... you just inspired another opinion piece ...

I'll save my free-market screed for the response to that piece, then :-).

26 posted on 10/02/2006 8:05:39 AM PDT by Tax-chick ("There's nowhere to go and you've got all day to get there ... on some beach, somewhere.")
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To: Mrs. Don-o

I've been impressed with some of his writing, too. He reminds me of Peggy Noonan - at their best, they're really good, but using facts and reason to direct emotion and intuition is not their strength.


27 posted on 10/02/2006 8:07:59 AM PDT by Tax-chick ("There's nowhere to go and you've got all day to get there ... on some beach, somewhere.")
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To: Tax-chick; cyborg

Rather than "outing" my dear wife's Crunchy-Connitude, I'll just let her comment on her own when she gets home.

[crickets . . . abject silence]


28 posted on 10/02/2006 8:10:43 AM PDT by Petronski (Living His life abundantly.)
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To: grey_whiskers
Beef, beer, and potatoes forever! …right?

Hell yeah!





And gingko biloba...and fish oil capsules...and Super Opti-Vue (with Lutein!)...and exfoliating loofah sponges (it's twue)...

29 posted on 10/02/2006 8:14:31 AM PDT by Petronski (Living His life abundantly.)
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To: Pyro7480

Thanks for the ping.


30 posted on 10/02/2006 8:44:18 AM PDT by GOPJ (Women who vote for democrats should be fitted for a burqa - freeper OrioleFan)
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To: grey_whiskers
Scott Adams, author of Dilbert, once quipped, "Everyone is somebody's else's weirdo."

TTW (Totally Tag Worthy)

31 posted on 10/02/2006 8:48:27 AM PDT by GOPJ ("Everyone is somebody's else's weirdo." -- Scott Adams (author of Dilbert))
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To: Petronski

LOL... Frankly, if someone has issues with my crunchy connitude it's their issue. I'm not in anyone's face telling them what to do. So happens I do own a pair of birkenstocks because stepping in skunk poo isn't cute.


32 posted on 10/02/2006 6:06:05 PM PDT by cyborg (No I don't miss the single life at all.)
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To: grey_whiskers

I'm a crunchy con if there ever was one.


33 posted on 10/02/2006 6:09:00 PM PDT by cyborg (No I don't miss the single life at all.)
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To: alwaysconservative

I do yoga at work in between breaks. It saves my back because I'm a nursing aide. I'm getting back into the green tea thing because I'm all about life extension using the most natural means available. I'll never eat meat again ever for health and ethical reasons either. I do happen to run into a lot of liberals who are surprised at my granola crunchiness though.


34 posted on 10/02/2006 6:11:50 PM PDT by cyborg (No I don't miss the single life at all.)
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To: cyborg

Yoga is the ONLY thing that keeps my neck flexible, and keeps my stress level down.

The crunchy con label appeals to me, but it sounds like where Dreher and I part ways is that I am NOT a big consumer. I'm into doing it myself, doing for myself, and making do with what I have, or less. My parents and my hubby's parents were children of the Depression, and many of their "frugal" ways must have rubbed off on me.

FReepmail to follow in a bit.


35 posted on 10/02/2006 6:50:48 PM PDT by alwaysconservative
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To: Tax-chick
My very strong opinion is that the "crunchy-con" thing is simply the glorification of personal preference, a shallow ideology that elevates appearance over content.

No, that's liberalism: I resisted becoming a crunchy-con for a LONG time simply because I suspected it of being a "shallow, personal glorification" thing.

I only accepted it when I found on empirical grounds, that there were elements of it which had a great deal more substance than I had ever suspected.

See also this link.

Cheers!

36 posted on 10/02/2006 10:04:51 PM PDT by grey_whiskers
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To: grey_whiskers

I think you're confusing what is indeed factual, such as the benefit of certain nutritional supplements, with the ideology that claims certain foods, shoes, or other consumer products are "conservative" in a special way.


37 posted on 10/03/2006 5:07:40 AM PDT by Tax-chick ("There's nowhere to go and you've got all day to get there ... on some beach, somewhere.")
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To: Tax-chick
I think you're confusing what is indeed factual, such as the benefit of certain nutritional supplements, with the ideology that claims certain foods, shoes, or other consumer products are "conservative" in a special way.

Not exactly; it is just that, "stereotypically", conservatives are against 'dainty' things like organic food, or non-traditionally-Western approaches (chiropractic, acupuncture, yoga, etc.); such historically being the province of hippies.

(See this Victor Davis Hanson thread on Europe for a loose example of the stereotype.) Cheers!

38 posted on 10/03/2006 6:23:38 AM PDT by grey_whiskers
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To: grey_whiskers

"don't think that just because someone has failed ONE of your weirdness tests, that they will fail ALL of them. Free Republic ought to be proof of that :-)"

Well said!


39 posted on 10/03/2006 11:22:14 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (If I had a nut allergy, I'd be outta here. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: grey_whiskers; NCSteve

I'm still thinking on this. I think what gets me about Mr. Dreher's writing on the subject is that he seems to think his particular decisions on diet, exercise, clothing, housing, etc., are Anointed, while the rest of the world - shopping at Wal-mart, living in tract subdivisions, drinking beer in lawn chairs in their driveways - are the Unenlightened.

(Anoreth says we really want to drink cheap wine in the driveway.)

Although he's only hinted at the idea that the redneck trash should be required by the government to subsidize his Chosen ways, I think the urge to coerce is there, and I'm not comfortable with calling it "conservative."

(Ping, Steve, related to our exchange on the Sowell thread.)


40 posted on 10/03/2006 1:53:31 PM PDT by Tax-chick ("There's nowhere to go and you've got all day to get there ... on some beach, somewhere.")
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