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Accused pastor admits he bought meth
NBC News ^ | 11-3-06 | NBC

Posted on 11/03/2006 11:32:59 AM PST by dogbyte12

COLORADO SPRINGS, Colo. - The Rev. Ted Haggard admitted Friday he bought methamphetamine and received a massage from a gay prostitute who claims he was paid for drug-fueled trysts by the former head of the National Association of Evangelicals.

"I bought it for myself but never used it," Haggard told reporters gathered outside his home. "I was tempted, but I never used it."

Haggard, 50, said he never had sex with Mike Jones, a 49-year-old Denver man who raised the allegations this week. Haggard said he received a massage from Jones after being referred to him by a Denver hotel.

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He admits it's himself on the tape ordering "more" meth like the last time, but says that he keeps ordering it and not using it, and that Jones just gave him a massage.

I believe him. Not.

1 posted on 11/03/2006 11:32:59 AM PST by dogbyte12
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To: dogbyte12
"I bought it for myself but never used it,"

Right up there with "I smoked it but never inhaled."

2 posted on 11/03/2006 11:34:22 AM PST by dirtboy (John Kerry - the world's only re-usable political suicide bomber.)
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To: dogbyte12

Hey, at least Haggard didn't try to marry the guy, THEN he really would have been a hypocrite.

:p


3 posted on 11/03/2006 11:34:42 AM PST by BritExPatInFla
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To: dogbyte12

"I was tempted, but I never used it."

Liar. You can't be tempted by that which you don't know and is not instinct.


4 posted on 11/03/2006 11:35:12 AM PST by L98Fiero (Evil is an exact science)
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To: dirtboy

Which is also right up there with "I was for the war before I was against it."


5 posted on 11/03/2006 11:35:39 AM PST by Responsibility2nd (Abortion is to family planning what bankruptcy is to financial planning)
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To: dirtboy

I was defending him yesterday, even if he was guilty. Because I was an idiot and assumed that he would repent and ask for forgiveness.

I did not inhale, and it was a friendly massage between me and a gay hooker is a freaking joke. This is more embarassing than actually admitting it. He is doing the Clinton defense.


6 posted on 11/03/2006 11:36:06 AM PST by dogbyte12
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To: dogbyte12

Did he lie under oath about it?


7 posted on 11/03/2006 11:36:21 AM PST by sappy
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To: dogbyte12

The fact that Jones was naked when he gave me my massage is irrelevant.


8 posted on 11/03/2006 11:36:50 AM PST by HaveHadEnough
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To: L98Fiero

He is re-ordering it. In specific quantities. So those other times he bought it and just flushed it too. Jimminy Crickets the guy is being a jackass.


9 posted on 11/03/2006 11:36:50 AM PST by dogbyte12
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To: sappy

It depends on what the meaning of it is.

The I didn't inhale was from the campaign stump though, Clinton wasn't testilying on that one.


10 posted on 11/03/2006 11:37:27 AM PST by dogbyte12
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To: dogbyte12

I really wasn't paying too much attention to this story until I saw this schtick. Now he's descended into characature, and that's a pretty difficult hole to climb out of.


11 posted on 11/03/2006 11:38:21 AM PST by dirtboy (John Kerry - the world's only re-usable political suicide bomber.)
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To: dogbyte12
"I bought it for myself but never used it," Haggard told reporters gathered outside his home. "I was tempted, but I never used it."

Of course he bought it but didn't use it, Isn't that what everybody does? I hear it works great taking the rust off of bumpers, maybe that's why he got it.

12 posted on 11/03/2006 11:38:45 AM PST by Kenton
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To: BritExPatInFla
And at least he - like Mark Foley - resigned.

Obviously Haggard must be a sicko, but at least he aint no dum-ocrat.

When they get caught in their sex acts... they proudly hang on.

13 posted on 11/03/2006 11:38:52 AM PST by Responsibility2nd (Abortion is to family planning what bankruptcy is to financial planning)
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To: dogbyte12

Toast...


14 posted on 11/03/2006 11:39:15 AM PST by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: dogbyte12

"Jimminy Crickets the guy is being a jackass."

No kidding. There comes a point when the guy just needs to say, "OK, you got me".


15 posted on 11/03/2006 11:39:55 AM PST by L98Fiero (Evil is an exact science)
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To: dogbyte12

I don't believe him, but you wouldn't believe how many packs of cigarettes I've through away because all of a sudden I felt guilty and pitched them. I probably "quit smoking" at least 100 times. It's not really the same situation but I hear meth is pretty addictive. Regardless, it seems like Haggard and the man whore.


16 posted on 11/03/2006 11:40:26 AM PST by bahblahbah
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To: dogbyte12

Can someone tell me why this story matters? Is the guy running for office or something? I heard Rush talking a bit about it, but still don't get why MSNBC is making a big deal out it!!


17 posted on 11/03/2006 11:40:32 AM PST by penelopesire
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To: dogbyte12; blue-duncan; xzins
I bought it for myself but never used it," Haggard told reporters gathered outside his home.

Oh man, that is such a clintonesque answer.

But in his defense, I must say that I have bought a lot of stuff I've never used.

I have a cupboard filled with all manner of canned vegetables that are older than some of my grown children.

18 posted on 11/03/2006 11:40:41 AM PST by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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To: dogbyte12

I do feel vindicated, as I have been bashing Haggard for years over his attempts to Bush global warming on Bush under the guise of Christianity. ("What Would Jesus Drive", etc)


19 posted on 11/03/2006 11:41:05 AM PST by montag813
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To: penelopesire

He is the Pastor of a church of 14,000 and President of the National Association of Evangelicals with 30,000,000 members. He is an important religious figure in this country.


20 posted on 11/03/2006 11:41:25 AM PST by dogbyte12
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To: bahblahbah

It seems like Haggard and the man whore are both lying.


21 posted on 11/03/2006 11:41:40 AM PST by bahblahbah
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To: L98Fiero

i am one of those evangelicals he supposedly represents and if either of these two "admissions" is correct.....he should be outa there on all counts. that is appalling. a "massage" by an escort? geesh.

although i really wonder where the word on "this" admission came out. i am suspect.


22 posted on 11/03/2006 11:41:44 AM PST by applpie
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To: dogbyte12
He admits it's himself on the tape ordering "more" meth like the last time, but says that he keeps ordering it and not using it, and that Jones just gave him a massage.

And this man never inhaled or romped with an intern either.


23 posted on 11/03/2006 11:41:46 AM PST by Fighting Irish (Béagán agus a rá go maith)
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To: dogbyte12

I opened this because it was the only thread among many that had a headline that did what headlines are supposed to do - tell the reader something about the story rather than the subject.


24 posted on 11/03/2006 11:41:57 AM PST by Old Professer (The critic writes with rapier pen, dips it twice, and writes again.)
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To: dogbyte12

Screwtape must be laughing his @$$ off, and half a dozen people who looked to this man as an inspiring example of Christ are now sullen, disappointed and lost. We all have our failings. I hope the rest of us are better at admitting them and getting help.


25 posted on 11/03/2006 11:41:58 AM PST by 50sDad (The GOP dumped Foley, the Dems kept Clinton. See the difference?)
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To: dogbyte12

Drugs and sex are two ominous sins. The truth shall set you free.


26 posted on 11/03/2006 11:42:14 AM PST by tioga (Jon Carry is a pompous fool.)
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To: bahblahbah

Yeah but how many gay hookers have you hired to get you the meth and a friendly non sexual massage too? (snark)


27 posted on 11/03/2006 11:42:16 AM PST by dogbyte12
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To: dogbyte12
Good Grief!

...and there's still four more days until the election for secrets to get oozing out of all these slimy closets.

28 posted on 11/03/2006 11:43:13 AM PST by top 2 toe red (To the enemy in Iraq..."Don't bet on American politics forcing my hand!" President Bush)
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To: applpie
lthough i really wonder where the word on "this" admission came out. i am suspect.

He gave this admission to reporters, a pack of them in front of his house. I say that is pretty good sourcing on the story.

29 posted on 11/03/2006 11:43:33 AM PST by dogbyte12
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To: penelopesire

If you spend your life running around with your petard hanging out, somebody's going to step on it.


30 posted on 11/03/2006 11:44:11 AM PST by Old Professer (The critic writes with rapier pen, dips it twice, and writes again.)
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To: penelopesire

He spoke to Bush once a week as a counselor and has been strongly involved in getting evangelicals active in conservative politics.


31 posted on 11/03/2006 11:44:19 AM PST by HostileTerritory
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To: dogbyte12
He was "tempted" alright, but it wasn't just the Meth or massages. The temptations come from the evil one and repentance is what he should be seeking. BTW, he evidently directly lied yesterday in the interview where he categorically denied even knowing the accuser or connection to Meth.

Perhaps "Pastor Ted" can soon come clean with the TRUTH and spare his family, and us, in having this SCANDAL play out over weeks and months... Maybe he could look up the word "scandal" and truly realize the damage being caused by his denials, duplicity, evident hypocracy, and lies...

32 posted on 11/03/2006 11:44:42 AM PST by vox_freedom (Matthew 5:37 But let your speech be yea, yea: no, no)
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To: dogbyte12
It's very simple. Even if what he says is true, it is enough that he should be removed from his position, have his credentials removed, and be repudiated by his Church for his activities.

Afterward, his life is between him and God, his family and his friends. If he wishes to be re-credentialed, he should have to go through the whole process with no favoritism offered, but he should never see a place of leadership within the Church again.

Ministers should be held to a higher standard, and for this very reason.
33 posted on 11/03/2006 11:45:05 AM PST by Anitius Severinus Boethius
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To: dogbyte12
Sad. He needs to do the honorable thing and resign. I disagree with the above poster that you have to have done something to be tempted because temptation is where it begins but even if all is as he says, he needs to quit and get his life straightened out before leading others.
34 posted on 11/03/2006 11:45:11 AM PST by CindyDawg
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To: dogbyte12

Did the massage have a "happy ending"?


35 posted on 11/03/2006 11:45:28 AM PST by Vasilli22 (http://www.richardfest.blogspot.com/)
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To: penelopesire
Just maybe MSNBC wants to divert from Kerry and from Webb's child porn writing? In one poll, 36% of voters were troubled by what Webb wrote and then the plagiarizing charges surfaced.
36 posted on 11/03/2006 11:46:12 AM PST by Dante3
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To: 50sDad
Screwtape must be laughing his @$$ off, and half a dozen people who looked to this man as an inspiring example of Christ are now sullen, disappointed and lost.

Thus saith the LORD; Cursed be the man that trusteth in man, and maketh flesh his arm, and whose heart departeth from the LORD. For he shall be like the heath in the desert, and shall not see when good cometh; but shall inhabit the parched places in the wilderness, in a salt land and not inhabited. Blessed is the man that trusteth in the LORD, and whose hope the LORD is. For he shall be as a tree planted by the waters, and that spreadeth out her roots by the river, and shall not see when heat cometh, but her leaf shall be green; and shall not be careful in the year of drought, neither shall cease from yielding fruit. (Jeremiah 17:5-8 KJV)

37 posted on 11/03/2006 11:46:22 AM PST by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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Did the massage have a "happy ending"?

This phrase isn't usually my cup of tea, but "Ewwww."

38 posted on 11/03/2006 11:47:45 AM PST by GraniteStateConservative (...He had committed no crime against America so I did not bring him here...-- Worst.President.Ever.)
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To: dogbyte12
"I bought it for myself but never used it," Haggard told reporters gathered outside his home.
Crystal meth!? Crystal meth is not typically a gateway drug like pot or alchohol. You don't just leap from using nothing to suddenly procuring crystal meth. And who procures crystal meth and doesn't do something with it?--I mean maybe he didn't use it himself. Maybe he traded it for sex form someone who genuinely is tempted by crystal meth.
39 posted on 11/03/2006 11:48:30 AM PST by Asclepius (protectionists would outsource our dignity and prosperity in return for illusory job security)
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If you spend your life running around with your petard hanging out, somebody's going to step on it.

In the case of a petard, they're more likely to spark it up for you.

40 posted on 11/03/2006 11:48:59 AM PST by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: dogbyte12

For some reason this guy never has seemed honest to me...

If this is true it harms the ministry, even though, they like all of us are humans and all have sinned and fallen short. By dang, this is not good for the cause. Reminds me of a minister we had once, that admited an affair he was having. He preached then at the end of the service went all through the confessions.... I was only about 10, but it scared me to death.....


41 posted on 11/03/2006 11:49:48 AM PST by JFC
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To: dogbyte12

Sounds like the public confession of former evangelist Jimmy Swaggert. He went to motels with prostitutes but he never had sex just looked at them naked. Yeah, right! (sarc)


42 posted on 11/03/2006 11:50:21 AM PST by lilylangtree
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To: dogbyte12

Let us not forget that we have all sinned and fallen short of the Glory of God.Pray for Haggard and his family and his congregation. But we really need to butt out and let the Pastor solve this between the people he needs to solve it with ie: His congregation, his wife, his kids, and mostly with his God. At this point he does not sound very repentent. And hopefully it comes, but it's really none of our business.


43 posted on 11/03/2006 11:50:27 AM PST by lexington minuteman 1775
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To: dogbyte12

"He is the Pastor of a church of 14,000 and President of the National Association of Evangelicals with 30,000,000 members."

Not anymore he's not.


44 posted on 11/03/2006 11:50:34 AM PST by MineralMan (Non-evangelical Atheist)
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To: dogbyte12

Sure. He ordered it more than once, and didn't use it. Yeah...I believe him...no question.

Got a massage, too. A prostate massage, perhaps?

This guy's toast.


45 posted on 11/03/2006 11:51:31 AM PST by MineralMan (Non-evangelical Atheist)
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To: montag813
I do feel vindicated, as I have been bashing Haggard for years over his attempts to Bush global warming on Bush under the guise of Christianity. ("What Would Jesus Drive", etc)

I didn't know he was one of them. I wouldn't trust the Christian Greenies any more than I would trust the National Council of Churches.

46 posted on 11/03/2006 11:51:44 AM PST by FlyVet
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To: P-Marlowe
I have some degree of pity for those whom, like Rush or Jerry Lewis, become addicted because they started out killing pain. But to become addicted to something that has no application but pleasure...that just makes me sad.
47 posted on 11/03/2006 11:51:47 AM PST by 50sDad (The GOP dumped Foley, the Dems kept Clinton. See the difference?)
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To: MineralMan

Wonder what his salary was? A pastor of a church that large has to bring in 150,000.00 or more.......


48 posted on 11/03/2006 11:51:55 AM PST by JFC
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To: MineralMan
A prostate massage, perhaps?

Too much information...

49 posted on 11/03/2006 11:52:02 AM PST by dirtboy (John Kerry - the world's only re-usable political suicide bomber.)
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To: penelopesire

"Can someone tell me why this story matters? Is the guy running for office or something? I heard Rush talking a bit about it, but still don't get why MSNBC is making a big deal out it!!"

He's not running for office, but I gather that there is some kind of "defense of marriage" proposition on the ballot in Colorado, and Ted Haggard has come out strong in favor of it, so I guess it is politically relevant in Colorado, at least. Another reason it "matters" to a lot of people is that this guy is a heavy hitter in the evangelical world, not just some unknown local pastor; as head of the NAE, etc., he's a powerful guy. There have also been reports that he's pretty tight with the White House, has a lot of access to Bush and/or his advisors, so there's that angle too, I guess.


50 posted on 11/03/2006 11:52:11 AM PST by EdJay
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