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Resolved: We need conservative presence in traditional media. The internet isn't enough.
8 November 2006 | RPTMS

Posted on 11/07/2006 10:50:36 PM PST by RPTMS

The main-stream media, the old media, the liberal media, whatever you want to call them, have shown that they can still screw this country up when they really want to.


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I want to see conservative newspapers, radio stations, and television stations in every market. The Washington Times and the New York Sun are good, but their daily editions are only available in their respective areas. A conservative over-the-air broadcast network would help, too. That way we wouldn't have to pay the porn-peddling cable and satelite companies just to see some conservative news coverage.
1 posted on 11/07/2006 10:50:36 PM PST by RPTMS
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To: RPTMS; Jim Robinson

I want my FR TV!


2 posted on 11/07/2006 10:51:45 PM PST by RasterMaster (Winning Islamic hearts and minds.........one bullet at a time!)
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To: RPTMS

We got ganged up on.

I have been thinking the same thing.

We need new ways to reach people.

The internet has saved our bacon a few times.

But we need new ways.


3 posted on 11/07/2006 10:53:43 PM PST by Names Ash Housewares
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To: RPTMS

I always thought we had it with FOX news. They sure turned into a bunch of backstabber and sold us out.


4 posted on 11/07/2006 10:53:46 PM PST by FlingWingFlyer (November 7, 2006. When America Spewed Her Hatred of Good People.)
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To: RasterMaster

I want my FR TV!


That would be the ultimate. A friend of mine at work said that what we need is a conservative "USA Today" newspaper. I agree, along with FR TV.


5 posted on 11/07/2006 10:53:48 PM PST by albie
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To: RPTMS

Agreed! This election was actually a win for old media. But how exactly do you go about increasing conservative presence in old media? Especially after such a convincing election win as this one is sickeningly turning out to be?


6 posted on 11/07/2006 10:53:48 PM PST by kesg
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To: RPTMS

So start one. It's not rocket science. 20,000 copies, tabloid style, folded and bundled runs about $1150 in most markets, including a spot color. (16 pages.)

Just figure out how to pay for getting it out, since that's going to be your biggest cost. Alas, we'll waste what it'd cost to start ten of these papers, cover their distribution, etc for two years fighting to prove a hundred votes were frauds.


7 posted on 11/07/2006 10:54:13 PM PST by kingu (No, I don't use sarcasm tags - it confuses people.)
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To: RasterMaster

FR TV!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


8 posted on 11/07/2006 10:54:37 PM PST by Maeve
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To: RPTMS

what we need, is our own George Soros. A conservative "money man" who will invest in information outlets. The audience is there for them, but we have to expand beyond talk radio and FR, we just don't reach enough people.


9 posted on 11/07/2006 10:55:15 PM PST by oceanview
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To: RPTMS

Ditto that. It's pretty clear that Fox News has been lost.


10 posted on 11/07/2006 10:55:51 PM PST by My2Cents (The Democrat Party's '06 platform: Offering a "Suicide Pact With America.")
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To: kingu

So that's 17 for a buck.

Freeper donations?


11 posted on 11/07/2006 10:56:22 PM PST by RockinRight (The loss is temporary, hopefully we learn from our mistakes.)
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To: RPTMS

We need to convert some Machachas!


12 posted on 11/07/2006 10:56:39 PM PST by The_Republican (So Dark The Con of Man)
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To: RPTMS

Hell even hotair.com and michelle malkin seemed to be in the democrats camp!


13 posted on 11/07/2006 10:56:55 PM PST by Echo Talon
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To: RPTMS
Uh, no. We need to finish off the scumbag "traditional media".
14 posted on 11/07/2006 10:56:56 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: RPTMS
Excuse me, but Protestant Chrisiains can't even get a tumble in the National Review.

No Baptists allowed.

Hey, Kath'rin, y'listening? The evangelicals may be ready to leave you the heck alone.

There's gotta be another way. Maybe our own Conservative party, now that the Kristol bunch has thoroughly fragged us out. How can we do worse?

15 posted on 11/07/2006 10:57:05 PM PST by Mamzelle
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To: kingu
Actually, let me spell it out more clearly.

On this board, you have probably 250 to 400 professional writers, three or four editors, at least a dozen illustrators, thousands of photographers. Start the paper, publish a few copies, and then set up reporters in every major city. Handle their credentials. And then you can actually go to press conferences and ask those questions the drive by media will never ask.

You can publish things, get it out there, even if it's just paper on a bar to catch slops. You'll have a resource that other papers and yes, websites, can mine. Most of it can be done on a volunteer basis, and publishing costs for a hundred thousand papers is about $10k a month. Less than what is raised to run FreeRepublic each month.
16 posted on 11/07/2006 10:57:42 PM PST by kingu (No, I don't use sarcasm tags - it confuses people.)
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To: RPTMS

If Allen loses, we can definitely thank CNN and especially MSNBC.


17 posted on 11/07/2006 10:57:47 PM PST by UpAllNight
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To: RPTMS

This sounds awfully lot like someone whining about the refs after a sports game. We've won plenty before against the MSM and some of that was before Fox and the internet. What lost us this race was an inept and disorganized campaign. I mean what was our message this time? Did we have much of a unified one?


18 posted on 11/07/2006 10:58:06 PM PST by SmoothTalker
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To: UpAllNight

If Allen loses, we can definitely thank CNN and especially MSNBC.

... and the WashPost.


19 posted on 11/07/2006 10:59:42 PM PST by WOSG (Broken-glass time, Republicans! Save the Congress!)
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Oh fer Pete's sake, we lose one election and the world is over.

So much for those "Dinosaur Media Alerts" and reports of circulation and ratings dwindling--not to mention that we're still powerful as the opposition party.

20 posted on 11/07/2006 11:00:10 PM PST by Darkwolf377 (Republican, atheist, pro-lifer, stranded in Blue Boston)
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So that's 17 for a buck. Freeper donations?

Sure, that's one way to do it.. Bulk mail out copies once a month, postage makes it closer to 15 for two bucks. Raise it to three bucks and you can actually pay someone to put it together each month. You're still talking less than a quarter a pop.
21 posted on 11/07/2006 11:00:17 PM PST by kingu (No, I don't use sarcasm tags - it confuses people.)
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To: albie

I don't think just one national paper would be enough. I think we need a conservative paper at least in each state so that we can be persuasive on local issues as well as national issues.


22 posted on 11/07/2006 11:00:55 PM PST by RPTMS
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To: UpAllNight

Don't forget to thank National Review, the American Spectator, and George Walker Bush and Karl Rove....I'm so everlasting sick of the way they're so ashamed of conservatives and the way they hamstring us at every opportunity. Let them go pewling to CATO. Now is the time to found our third party.


23 posted on 11/07/2006 11:01:33 PM PST by Mamzelle
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To: RPTMS

We got our message out. The people were not buying what we were selling.


24 posted on 11/07/2006 11:02:07 PM PST by staytrue
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To: RPTMS

I think we need some rabid attack dogs in the style of Carville on TV everytime a rat does something.


25 posted on 11/07/2006 11:02:38 PM PST by razorback-bert (I met Bill Clinton once but he didn?t really talk ? he was hitting on my wife)
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To: oceanview

We had more money than they did, regardless of Soros.


26 posted on 11/07/2006 11:02:53 PM PST by staytrue
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To: RPTMS

Hey ... we gota lock on AM radio Mon - Fri during working hours.... what else do we need?


27 posted on 11/07/2006 11:03:33 PM PST by GregoTX (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.)
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Yes indeed, we need a conservative media platform that is able to penetrate the crap out there with good information and entertainment that doesn't paint itself as conservaitve.

Chris Matthews, Katie Couric, etc. would never call themselves "liberal." Professional media with high standards and a different point of view, especially in the war on terror and the situation in Iraq.

Fox News has not done enough to really dig deep into the good things that are happening on the streets of Iraq.

They do a lot of glamour and glitz, you know, alongside some good reports.

I want it all, audio, video, interactive etc. on a platform somewhere.

Edward R. Murrow and his band invented broadcast journalism out of their hatred of Naziism. We must invent a new media journalism out of the threat of Islamofascism.

The big media companies may not give us access so we must consider the web as the place to do it and do it right with no wild eyed approach, but a professional and factual approach that confronts the evils head on.


28 posted on 11/07/2006 11:03:40 PM PST by Nextrush (Communism died in the Soviet Union, but Diversity lives on everywhere)
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Well we have just witnessed the old media flexing that they still control the dialog. CNN ABC CBS et al were all smiling tonight.

Since 2004 it has been a non-stop assault on the president and the Republicans but ot be fair the Republicans did nothing to help their cause.

So I welcome this change to get my party back to it's base ( us) and realize that CONSERVATISM WINS not mealy mouth moderation. As Jason Lewis put it...if you run like a Democrat and sound like a Democrat...the American public will elect the real Democrat!

Boy 2008 is gonna be a mess. We better get our ***t together.


29 posted on 11/07/2006 11:05:27 PM PST by generationfixit
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OH MY GOD!!

Am I just NOW!-Hearing what I have been saying for YEARS!!!

Is there some else out there!!.. I mean!: Should I dare to HOPE! that there IS "Someone" else out there that Realizes that in 2006-

The Republicans not ONLY "FOUGHT" against the Dems & LIBBIES--

But ALSO THE MEDIA!!! and that "SOMETHING" --ANYTHING has to be "Done" about it!!

THE LIBERAL--All Pretense at being "fair" and impartial FULLY SUPPORTING the DEMS! Media!! was 50% if not MORE the "ENEMY" in this election cycle!!

Come ON NOW RUSH!!

You can't take all that money with you!

Hell! Just give the Freepers even a FEW dollars!! And see what WE CAN DO with that MEDIA WISE!!

Let me tell you something from a retire Ad "honcho".-YOU would get Such unexpected and advantageous MEDIA ATTENTION- results : For a Mere 20-25,000$ given to a Chosen (bid on ) group(s) of (a) Conservative 527(s) in Key Areas than ANY MILLION DOLLAR " Electric/Print " ads that were (sadly ) produced this election cycle!

I have been writing to Rove for years!-- and have kept WRITING To Rove!religiously every month about this!!--he so far to date from the last 15 years of writing; has never even has written me back a " get Lost Please " letter so far!

30 posted on 11/07/2006 11:06:01 PM PST by AirBorn
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To: kesg

We don't need so much a conservative voice in old media as much as we need a conservative in congress! They governed as kinda-conservative and the American public does not like kinda!


31 posted on 11/07/2006 11:07:12 PM PST by generationfixit
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I agree. Up here in Northern California, around the Russian River a conservative HAS a paper. It's the only one, and it's small, in the entire Northern California area that is conservative.

On the other hand, the Press Democrat of Santa Rosa is owned by the NYT, and I hear the NYT is bleeding money. I'm hoping that someone offers to buy them. Someone from the RIGHT.


32 posted on 11/07/2006 11:07:17 PM PST by I_Love_My_Husband
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To: AirBorn

Are you excited?

;-)


33 posted on 11/07/2006 11:08:04 PM PST by pax_et_bonum (I will always love you, Flyer.)
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To: AirBorn

Uh, why are you shouting with the big letters?!?!


34 posted on 11/07/2006 11:12:02 PM PST by Ciexyz (Satisfied owner of a 2007 Toyota Corolla.)
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To: RPTMS

The only way you will ever get that is to start a conservative journalism college and then start your own TV stations and newspapers. How much time and money do we have?


35 posted on 11/07/2006 11:12:45 PM PST by WVNan
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To: RPTMS
This election sucked but the Democraps can't pretend or rather fool the American people for long. Their insane. They 'll show their true colors because they can't help it.
We all know people that pretend they're something they are not, eventually they reveal themselves for what they are.
Bill Clinton was a pervert and a liar and eventually he showed that he was a pervert and a liar and he was an exceptionally good liar.

The Democraps still have no strategy for Iraq but to surrender. They want to get rid of the tax cuts, thus drying up gov't revenues and destroying the economy. They still want to give amnesty to illegal aliens which America is strictly against. They haven't come out of the closet yet.

And lets face it the Republicans betrayed Conservatives and blew the election themselves. Don't give the idiots in the Pravada Press that much credit, the Republicans spent like pigs expanding the Nannie State w/ the medicare plan, "no child left behind" nonsense and were absolutely shameful when it came to protecting the borders. They should not have betrayed their conservative principles (this assumes they had them).
36 posted on 11/07/2006 11:13:35 PM PST by Vinny
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To: SmoothTalker

Smooth Talker,

Republican win elections because most Americans agree with the GOP and not the leftists that dominate the Democrat Party. The problem for the GOP is getting their message out and an inability or unwillingness to take on the media and call them on their propoganda.

Fox news reaches maybe two million peole an evening, ABC, CBS, and NBC alone reach about 26 million homes a night. You throw in the network cable affiliates, the print media including AP, the New York Times, Washington Post, etc. and It's absolutely no contest. The number of Americans being propagandized every day by the traditional media dwarfs all forms of conservative media. If it were not for talk radio we would really be in the tall grass.

Our real battle is not with the Democrats, they are easy to defeat when they are shown for who they really are. Our battle is with the media who shill for them and conceal their true nature, actions, and beliefs. Until we go after the media for theri hostility to the GOP and conservative ideals we will always struggle to win elections.....even when most Americans believe as we do.


PresidentFelon


37 posted on 11/07/2006 11:13:36 PM PST by PresidentFelon (Reuters Reporter Adam Entous beats his Mother.)
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To: RPTMS

There are things I like about the NY Sun, but very few people read it - it must be even deeper in the red than the Post. Fortunately for it, Roger Hertog of Alliance Capital, Michael Steinhardt and Tom Tisch have plenty of vanity and deep pockets.


38 posted on 11/07/2006 11:15:01 PM PST by slaymakerpowertape
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To: RPTMS
We need conservative presence in the Republican Party. Talk radio isn't enough.
39 posted on 11/07/2006 11:15:16 PM PST by snarkpup
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To: kingu

Now there is a plan. I'm for it.


40 posted on 11/07/2006 11:16:04 PM PST by WVNan
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To: Mamzelle

It's the party of ABE Lincoln, NOT Lincoln Chafee....throw out RINOs and return to our roots.


41 posted on 11/07/2006 11:17:19 PM PST by RasterMaster (Winning Islamic hearts and minds.........one bullet at a time!)
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To: RasterMaster

Yes, let's throw out our RINOs...it's going to be one of the pleasures left to us.


42 posted on 11/07/2006 11:18:22 PM PST by Mamzelle
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To: RPTMS

The problem is not the media. It isn't Bush either.

I blame this election on two people:

Bob Ney, Mark Foley.


43 posted on 11/07/2006 11:19:07 PM PST by zbigreddogz
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Why hasn't this happened? Its hilarious to hear how the GOP is "the rich" but no one has built an empire like Ted Turner (CNN)....as we all know, Fox News was just a clever marketing plan by The Aussie.


44 posted on 11/07/2006 11:20:50 PM PST by Crimson Elephant
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To: SmoothTalker
I mean what was our message this time? Did we have much of a unified one?

We had one? A "message" I mean?

If so, could have fooled me.

Sure the MSM was in the tank for the Dhimis and stabbed us in the back, the front, the side and every which way they could, but I think if we had been unified behind an actual agenda, (like the 1994 Contract) we would have done much better.

Hate to admit this, but Newt's looking awfull good, right about now.

45 posted on 11/07/2006 11:22:36 PM PST by seasoned traditionalist ("INFIDEL AND PROUD OF IT.")
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To: kingu

I think that is a great idea! Maybe we could get a reporter in every House District!


46 posted on 11/07/2006 11:29:32 PM PST by PhiKapMom ( Go Sooners! Thanks Aggies for your 12th Man!)
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I'm posting this article to reinforce my previous comments on this thread. Mr. Ponte has it spot on, our real enemy is not the Democrats, its the media that ptotects tham and shills for them. This is an excellent piece you ought to read for a better understanding of what we are up against.

PF


Vote Against the Mainstream Media

Lowell Ponte
Monday, Nov. 6, 2006



The lords who rule America's liberal press are unelected. We get no direct vote in who runs the New York Times, CBS, or Newsweek.

But on Tuesday we can indirectly cast our ballots against the mainstream media's unchecked power by voting against its liberal politicians.

The media's dishonesty is now undeniable. As scholar Thomas Sowell wrote, in this year's elections "the mainstream media are not simply observers and reporters but active partisans."

A new study by the non-partisan Center for Media and Public Affairs in Washington, D.C., analyzed midterm election coverage on the ABC, CBS and NBC evening newscasts between September 5 and October 22. The study found during these seven key weeks following Labor Day, 167 such stories were broadcast. These big three network gave Democratic candidates coverage that was 77 percent positive. Republican candidates got the opposite – coverage that was 88 percent negative.

This year it has become difficult to tell where partisan Democratic press releases end and news coverage by mainstream journalists begins. They sound identical, as if fabricated in the same Left wing propaganda factory.

A 2005 University of California Los Angeles-led study found that 18 of the nation's top 20 media outlets skewed their news coverage significantly to the Left.

"I suspected that many media outlets would tilt to the left because surveys have shown that reporters tend to vote more Democrat than Republican," said UCLA political scientist Tim Groseclose, the study's lead author. "But I was surprised at just how pronounced the distinctions are."


Story Continues Below



Of the two media outlets that did not tilt Left, the UCLA-led study found, the Fox News Channel program "Special Report with Brit Hume" indeed "proved to be right of center," and Fox News is "often cited by liberals as an egregious example of a right-wing outlet."

However, the study continued, ABC's "World News Tonight" and NBC's "Nightly News" – which present themselves as unbiased newscasts - are about as far left of center as the Fox is right of center.

News consumers are being deceived, fed tainted information, and manipulated to advance the ideological agendas of the Left. Like "The Matrix," Left wing media concocts an Orwellian false reality of lies and half-truths designed to elect Democrats. In 2004 editor Evan Thomas (grandson of longtime Socialist Party presidential candidate Norman Thomas) of liberal Newsweek Magazine estimated that the mainstream media tilt in favor of Democratic presidential standard bearer John F. Kerry would "be worth maybe 15 points" on election day.

Media's brainwashing hypnotic spell can be broken. Experts, e.g., have exposed how the Los Angeles Times, New York Times and other media concoct polls that deliberately "oversample" Democrats to produce results unfavorable to Republicans.

But the Left wing media controls most channels of communication reaching the public – and it can throw up distorting mirrors and lies faster than truth tellers can discredit these falsehoods. For example:



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The liberal media beginning last Friday has been touting an editorial in the military careerist-oriented Army Times, sister publication of the Military Times, Navy Times, Air Force Times and Marine Times, calling for the resignation of President George W. Bush's Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld.

The news stories about this seem orchestrated to persuade voters that America's military is turning against the Bush Iraq policy. Unreported, however, is that these are not military-edited publications. They are owned, edited and written by Gannett, the same liberal company that publishes USA Today, a left-of-center newspaper according to the UCLA-led study.

Last Friday Vanity Fair Magazine made news with a press release quoting several neo-conservative Bush advisors. Their quotes, from its forthcoming January issue, suggest that Bush Iraq policy was mistaken and has failed.

Several of those quoted – Richard Pearle, David Frum, Eliot A. Cohen and Michael Rubin – wrote over the weekend in National Review that their words were deceptively edited and distorted. ""Vanity Fair…set my words in its own context in its press release," wrote Frum. "They added words outside the quote marks to change the plain meaning of quotations."

In any event, wrote these neocons, Vanity Fair told them that nothing they said would be made public prior to the November election. "Vanity Fair's agenda was a pre-election hit job," wrote Rubin, "and I guess some of us quoted are at fault for believing too much in integrity."

Integrity? The Editor-in-Chief of Vanity Fair is Graydon Carter, who in February 2001 was in Havana with CBS chieftain Les Moonves, CEO of MTV Tom Freston and head of the William Morris talent agency Jim Wiatt for an intimate party with Fidel Castro. One of the attendees described this tropical prison with 11 million inmate slaves as "the most romantic, soulful and sexy country I've ever been to in my life."

Vanity Fair's sister Conde Nast magazine is The New Yorker, whose investigative reporter Seymour Hersh made news days ago by hyperbolically telling students at McGill University in Montreal that "There has never been an American army as violent and murderous as the one in Iraq."

Hersh was awarded a Pulitzer Prize for his expose of the Vietnam War's My Lai massacre. But Hersh during the 1960s got his start with the Left wing Dispatch News Service. Hersh's politics have remained so leftward and critical of the United States that when he worked for the New York Times, its then-Executive Editor A.M. Rosenthal routinely referred to Hersh as "my little commie." Such are the people manipulating our news and public opinion.

NBC's cable network MSNBC now permits Keith Olbermann, a third-rate sportscaster with delusions of being the reincarnation of Edward R. Murrow, to broadcast an entirely unbalanced hour-long ad for the Democratic Party five nights each week – an NBC campaign contribution worth millions of dollars. And ABC's Political Director Mark Halperin (about whom more in a future column) acknowledges that 70 percent of his ABC colleagues have a pro-Democratic liberal bias.

Tuesday's election will show whether the liberal media can manipulate our democracy by slanting their news coverage. By defeating their candidates, you can vote against the Left wing media.


47 posted on 11/07/2006 11:29:54 PM PST by PresidentFelon (Reuters Reporter Adam Entous beats his Mother.)
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What we need is a fair and balanced WIRE SERVICE.

The origin of most of the daily news agenda comes out of AP, Reuters, AFP, etc reports.

Nearly every major paper in America simply repackages the hard news generated by these wire services.

And the agenda set by these news stories is largely followed by the network and cable TV news.

The media reporting on Iraq is the single reason most responsible for the Rats taking power.

And like Vietnam, that reporting is a travesty, one with a nefarious political agenda.


48 posted on 11/07/2006 11:31:40 PM PST by SirJohnBarleycorn
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To: SmoothTalker

In Oklahoma we returned our three Republican Congressmen and one new Congresswoman Mary Fallin who replaced Istook.

At the Statewide level, we took a bath. Worst run campaigns ever. We won ONE race. There was no coherent message at all and no one was on the same page.


49 posted on 11/07/2006 11:31:51 PM PST by PhiKapMom ( Go Sooners! Thanks Aggies for your 12th Man!)
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To: PhiKapMom

I certaintly never knew a theme. It seemed like a Dem campaign in that our whole message seemed to be "they are worse than us." We didn't put out our program much.


50 posted on 11/07/2006 11:32:50 PM PST by SmoothTalker
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