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OFFICIAL DRAFT DAN BOREN FOR SPEAKER THREAD
11 November 2006

Posted on 11/11/2006 7:07:45 AM PST by 11th_VA

As some of you may know Dan Boren (Lone conservative Democrat from the OK delegation) is contemplating a challenge to Pelosi for Speaker of the House.

Dan is one of 54 Blue Dog Democrats in the House. Since the Speaker is elected from votes from the entire house, if he could garner all the GOP votes and ~15 Blue Dog Democrat votes, he could beat Pelosi for the Speaker's position.

Now is the time to start the "DRAFT DAN" movement.

Action:

1) Start calling talk radio shows talk about the "DRAFT DAN" movement.

2) Call your representative (Republican and Democrat) and ask them to support Dan Boren for speaker


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We need an organic movement to DRAFT DAN for speaker - let's do it !!!
1 posted on 11/11/2006 7:07:46 AM PST by 11th_VA
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To: 11th_VA
We could try. The Speaker does make committee assignments and at the least, we'd like to see the Blue Dogs where they can do the most good. We have nothing to lose and everything to gain by backing Dan Boren for House Speaker.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." -Manuel II Paleologus

2 posted on 11/11/2006 7:13:21 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: 11th_VA
This has happened before in American history. After the election of 1856, the two new parties, the Republicans and the American Party (Know Nothings) together formed a majority and elected an American Party Speaker.

On the state level, about 10 years ago, when the GOP was approaching a majority status, they formed a coalition with the more conservative Democrats in the legislature. I am sure similar things happened in other states.
3 posted on 11/11/2006 7:14:56 AM PST by Lucius Cornelius Sulla (I went down in 1964 for Barry Goldwater with all flags flying! This is just a blip!)
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To: 11th_VA

Nope, sorry.

I want the Pelosi wing to run roughshod over the moderates and conservatives. As a matter of fact, I'd like to see the new GOP minority do whatever it can to assist her.

This is the only way the country will see the stark choice between the two parties.


4 posted on 11/11/2006 7:16:21 AM PST by cicero's_son
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To: 11th_VA
That would take some bold 'Blue Dogs' to do that.

They might even be ejected from the Party!

But it sure is worth the try!

If it succeeded the MSM would go ballistic!

5 posted on 11/11/2006 7:17:53 AM PST by fortheDeclaration (Am I therefore become your enemy because I tell you the truth? (Gal.4:16))
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To: fortheDeclaration

they would go ballistic !!!


6 posted on 11/11/2006 7:20:15 AM PST by 11th_VA
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To: 11th_VA
Wouldn't it be great if Pelosi lost after all? Go Dan Go!
7 posted on 11/11/2006 7:22:06 AM PST by Ditter
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To: Ditter

I have always expected the guys to elbow her aside.


8 posted on 11/11/2006 7:24:48 AM PST by ClaireSolt (Have you have gotten mixed up in a mish-masher?)
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To: cicero's_son

Not me either. Why would I help in any way to disguise the dims from revealing what they truly are ? It's going to be tough enough exposing them given the traitors in the MSM and the spineless wimps that have occupied the "republican congress".

Nope, I want Pelosi, Kerry, Kennedy, Schumer and the "eligible for hanging" Leahy full front and center in all their smug deceit.


9 posted on 11/11/2006 7:26:38 AM PST by prov1813man
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To: cicero's_son

The "Lose so you can Win" party heard from.


10 posted on 11/11/2006 7:27:35 AM PST by altura (Second guessing is not a strategy. (George W. Bush, November 2006))
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To: prov1813man; cicero's_son

I hate to remind you all, but there's more than politics at stake here. Better to have Dems who have some appreciation for national security and defense and will perhaps sometimes work with Bush, than to encourage the worst elements of their party to take control just so you can see them crash and burn - and take the rest of the country with them, unfortunately.


11 posted on 11/11/2006 7:42:41 AM PST by livius
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To: 11th_VA

Only on a "secret" ballot would he have a chance. San Fran Nan has too many outstanding chits ready to be called in.


12 posted on 11/11/2006 7:50:22 AM PST by Don Corleone (Leave the gun..take the cannoli)
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To: cicero's_son
I want the Pelosi wing to run roughshod over the moderates and conservatives.

Dude, are you kidding? Think about our troops. They deserve better than partisanship.

13 posted on 11/11/2006 7:51:38 AM PST by Extremely Extreme Extremist (Why can't Republicans stand up to Democrats like they do to terrorists?)
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To: 11th_VA

Well .. I feel for Dan .. but trying to tear the speakership from the grip of Pelosi will be his undoing.

You see, as Rush described in detail yesterday, what happens in the first meeting with the "newbies" and Pelosi is this: She will tell them - if you want to be here longer than 2 years, you will vote with the leadership. If you don't, you will be out of here in 2 years. If you do, you will receive dollars and support for your next election.

However, I don't think Pelosi realizes that one of the dems who got thrown over - Lieberman - successfully won re-election. I'm wondering 2 things: will the "blue dogs" band together and form their own group, or will they just ride along and take their chances by voting how their districts expect them to ..??


14 posted on 11/11/2006 7:53:35 AM PST by CyberAnt (Drive-By Media: Fake news, fake documents, fake polls)
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To: ClaireSolt

"I have always expected the guys to elbow her aside."

A lot of the guys who are in line to be chairmen have been in the house longer than she has. They don't like being bossed around by a *itch.

My, my wouldn't Mr. Boren's election just rain on her parade?


15 posted on 11/11/2006 8:07:23 AM PST by freedom4me ("Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom."--Ben Franklin)
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To: CyberAnt



Is Hillary behind this?

Does she want a "responsible" House so as to avert the liberal train wreck that threatens her and the party in '08? " Dem "moderates" won the election.

Or does she let nature take its course and "Sister Soljah" the looneys ? Triangulation is the Clinton playbook.

Also, what price will Liebeman extract from his fellow dems in exchange for his loyalty in the Senate? Harry Reid's head? .

I leave it to the Freepers whose collective wisdom and insight can fiqure this out.


16 posted on 11/11/2006 8:08:02 AM PST by baraboolaw
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To: Lucius Cornelius Sulla

Do you know the rules regarding voting in the House in terms of secret ballots? Are they allowed? If not, Mr. Boren will surely need all the courage he can muster. Is he new to the House? How conservative is his district?


17 posted on 11/11/2006 8:09:17 AM PST by freedom4me ("Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom."--Ben Franklin)
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To: 11th_VA

Nay... I rather see Pelosi... that way they can go ahead and do the damage. Making '08 better chance for the Repbus.
I rather see America wake up and see what they put into the office.. Even MSM can't totally cover up for them.


18 posted on 11/11/2006 8:10:16 AM PST by Strutt9
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To: 11th_VA

I like it! Precisely what do we need to do to make it happen?


19 posted on 11/11/2006 8:11:21 AM PST by Virginia Ridgerunner ("Si vis pacem para bellum")
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To: baraboolaw

I think this is really going to be tough for Hillary. While Pelosi appears to be trying to hold the lid on the "crash dummies" of her party (to appear moderate) - Rangel and his ilk will be all over the media with all their hate-filled garbage (appeasing the kooks).

I'm wondering how Hillary is going to handle this because it's certain to cause a lot of dissention within the dem ranks.


20 posted on 11/11/2006 8:11:47 AM PST by CyberAnt (Drive-By Media: Fake news, fake documents, fake polls)
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To: 11th_VA

No chance of happening by itself. There is no way to defeat Pelosi as Speaker in an outright power play. Too many people are beholding to her and she comes from a tough political background. This idea could get some traction by having a power play to force some concessions. Thats the best that can be done.

We cannot afford to have Alcee Hastings as head of the Intelligence Commitee. Hastings was impeached as a judge. we can't afford him during the WOT to such a critical role involving keeping our secret. Jane Harman is a far better alternative. The play should be to get her to have the chairmenship and put in some moderates/conservatives in other leadership posts. If not, then vote her out as speaker and then vote for Boren.

Modest goals might work, an outright removal - no way. While there is this supposed influx of more conservative democrats, there is not enough votes to have a total power play. They might listen to reason if the goal is modest such as not having Hastings as Intelligence chairman. We at least start off with 2 democrats - Boren & Hastings. This also has the possibility that it gives the moderates a chance to flex their muscles immediately without a total threat. It just might work.

For anything to happen it must happen soon.



21 posted on 11/11/2006 8:12:22 AM PST by TakeChargeBob
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To: goldstategop
The Speaker does make committee assignments and at the least, we'd like to see the Blue Dogs where they can do the most good. We have nothing to lose and everything to gain by backing Dan Boren for House Speaker.

Mild disagreement. Pelosi as speaker has the potential to fracture the Democrats more than Boren. According to some reports she's planning on getting even with some of the moderate Democrats that may have disagreed with her over the yeares by denying them chairmanships or swithching committee assignments. This obviously has the potential to create dissention in the ranks, and she may well be smart enough not to do it. But I'd like to give her a chance to do some damage first.

22 posted on 11/11/2006 8:16:01 AM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: 11th_VA

Sorry folks, but it really is all about politics.

They won. We lost.

The best thing for the country would be to show them for who they really are. I'll be damned if I'm going to provide the fig leaf that allows the Congressional Democrats to pretend to be normal, rational, moderate, patriotic Americans.

They said they'd raise taxes? Go for it.
They said they'd redeploy troops to Okinawa. Now's their chance.
They wanted impeachent hearings? The door is open.

Elections have consequences. There will be a raft of dire consequences after this one, I am sure. But the country will survive. And so will the Republican party and the conservative movement.

The only good news is that two years from now, there will be another election. By the time that one comes around, I hope everyone who voted "D" in anger, disgust, disappointment, or fatigue will see just how foolish it was to put these people back into power.


23 posted on 11/11/2006 8:19:27 AM PST by cicero's_son
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To: freedom4me
Party caucuses normally use secret ballots, but voting on the floor can't be secret (except for the rare closed sessions.). I don't know anything about Boren, but he better have 15 pledged democrats before this goes forward.
24 posted on 11/11/2006 8:22:20 AM PST by Lucius Cornelius Sulla (I went down in 1964 for Barry Goldwater with all flags flying! This is just a blip!)
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To: Virginia Ridgerunner
I like it! Precisely what do we need to do to make it happen?

I think it would have to be pushed by Rush and Sean to happen - we need to call talk shows and make it an issue

25 posted on 11/11/2006 8:23:21 AM PST by 11th_VA
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To: ClaireSolt

She tries too hard to be pretty. Beneath that Armani pantsuit, plastic surgery exterior is a little woman needing to be loved and desired by all the men in the room. The elbowing should be easy, although the MSM will make her look "tough" as she exudes the hard exterior. (Armchair Analysis 101)


26 posted on 11/11/2006 8:23:30 AM PST by Twinkie (Al- Qaida leaders applaud Democrat victory, expect campaign promises to be kept - or else.)
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To: cicero's_son
But the country will survive.

I wish I had your confidence.

27 posted on 11/11/2006 8:26:05 AM PST by Lucius Cornelius Sulla (I went down in 1964 for Barry Goldwater with all flags flying! This is just a blip!)
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To: Lucius Cornelius Sulla
I wish I had your confidence.

Flag this post. Two years from now, you'll chuckle about it, I promise you.

28 posted on 11/11/2006 8:28:59 AM PST by cicero's_son
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To: cicero's_son
They said they'd redeploy troops to Okinawa. Now's their chance.

This is not a criticism of your post, only a question. What would the death toll be in Iraq if we pull out.

29 posted on 11/11/2006 8:37:42 AM PST by Stentor
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To: Twinkie

Usually, women make lousy leaders as their styles are more authoritarian and brittle than the collegiality men know. She doesn't get along with Steny Hoyer or Jane Harmon. She wants to dictate. Bad signs, imho.


30 posted on 11/11/2006 8:39:22 AM PST by ClaireSolt (Have you have gotten mixed up in a mish-masher?)
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To: Stentor
What would the death toll be in Iraq if we pull out.

I'm not sure. Could anyone really know the answer to that?

The point is that the Democrats ran on a cut-and-run-from-Iraq, raise-your-taxes, Republicans-are-evil platform.

And they won.

They have earned the right to implement their agenda.

I happen to believe that the political effects of that agenda will be catastrophic for them and beneficial for us.

31 posted on 11/11/2006 8:43:46 AM PST by cicero's_son
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To: cicero's_son
The point is that the Democrats ran on a cut-and-run-from-Iraq, raise-your-taxes, Republicans-are-evil platform.

And they won.

Actually, the really fun thing is that they didn't. A great many of the Dems who actually won did so by claiming to be conservative -- pro-military, pro-life, focused on homeland security. Now that they're in, they have the choice of going along with Bela Pelosi or the voters who put them into office -- and can take them out if they go moonbat. It's going to be interesting.

32 posted on 11/11/2006 9:33:36 AM PST by JennysCool
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To: ClaireSolt

"She wants to dictate."

- Hillary lite?


33 posted on 11/11/2006 10:24:04 AM PST by Twinkie (Al- Qaida leaders applaud Democrat victory, expect campaign promises to be kept - or else.)
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