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Vanity - Have you had a personal experience with God?
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Posted on 11/19/2006 8:34:42 PM PST by gondramB

I was raised Baptist - a mixed marriage- Southern Baptist and Primtive Baptist. I never belelived in God until was 18.

My personal experience came just as I was studying science -and beginning to wonder about the patterns in the world and the universe and how they could have been there by chance.

I went to a revival I did not want to attend. I had a mohawk. I went to the church in a black Leather Jacket with Highly Toxic and a skull and corss bones painted on the back in flourescent orange on the back. The people at the irst baptist church of Atlanta acted like it was wonderful to find someone who dressed differently - they made sure I was comfortable and then left me just enough alone.

I heard the voice of God. It was was like thunder in my head but it didn't give me proof to carry to others. I was told that I was loved. That I should learn more about God and that I should treat others well. I guess this doens't sound much like a revolution but it was all I coud handle.

Since then I have never doubted in belief but I struggle for direction and have a hard time with what many others tell me God wants.

Is there anyone else who would share their eperience with God that I might learn from? All I can offer is that I will share too.

I don't remember anything the preacher said except he talked about Kierkegaard - what I got was that Kierkegaard said we can get only so close to God by logic and then there is a leap of faith required. I remember feeling as if I was on an edge where I been a hundred times before. It was a nice safe ledge. But I stepped off and stll felt totally safe. It was over in an instant. My tiny little revelation from God.

I met a Christian teacher on the way home - I would have avoided him normally. He asked me how I was and I said wonderful but confused I thought that he thought I was stoned. But he never mentioned it or acted like he was there whenever I saw him. I wonder if it was really him.


TOPICS: Miscellaneous; Religion
KEYWORDS: faith; god; religion; skepticism
Would anybody else like to share?
1 posted on 11/19/2006 8:34:45 PM PST by gondramB
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To: gondramB

I'll freepmail you.


2 posted on 11/19/2006 8:40:15 PM PST by Tuscaloosa Goldfinch (If MY people who are called by MY name -- the ball's in our court, folks.)
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To: gondramB
That I should learn more about God and that I should treat others well.

I treat people well, but others have a hard time doing the same in return.

I don't rely on God to grant me a "tomorrow". Prayers and hope do nothing for me anymore.

3 posted on 11/19/2006 8:51:05 PM PST by MotleyGirl70 (I'm an idiot and stupid.)
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To: gondramB

My guess is that there are millions of stories like this one. The only thing I can say is that God continually shows himself in my life. I struggle just like the next person but God never fails to accept me.


4 posted on 11/19/2006 8:56:24 PM PST by thehumanlynx (All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. -Edmund Burke)
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To: Tuscaloosa Goldfinch

Oh darn, we ALL want to hear the story! :)


5 posted on 11/19/2006 8:56:37 PM PST by Libertina (The battle is our responsiblity, the outcome is God's.)
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To: gondramB

...what's a primitive baptist?

...and no, I've never had a supernatural experience of any sort.


6 posted on 11/19/2006 8:58:28 PM PST by Old_Mil (http://www.constitutionparty.com/)
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To: gondramB
Man has a longing that directs him toward completion, however incomplete or un whole he feels. Buddhists think longing traps you to this world and that it's best removed. Christians perhaps see it as evidence of original sin -- man's distance from God -- that man is unlike the animals who don't aspire, who are content with themselves on the planet. I personally had a revelation that physically we are always removed -- that we are finite, fallible, never really complete or at one with our creator. But a part of us wants to be and will try to make the assent toward love. Plato's Symposium has a beautiful analogy of the ladder of love and with Christianity the accent can be immediate through grace. My revelation ended with the belief that love conquers death and the physical world... I realized that my mother loved me and extrapolated that to God.
7 posted on 11/19/2006 9:09:42 PM PST by Blind Eye Jones
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To: gondramB

BTW, your story great :) All the best to you and Happy Thanksgiving.


8 posted on 11/19/2006 9:09:57 PM PST by MotleyGirl70
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To: gondramB

My story is this. I was sitting on the couch in the living room with a purring cat on my lap. My boyfriend at the time was sitting next to me. He was a Morman. He asked me if I would like for him to pray to the holy spirit. I said, "Yes."

He started praying. My first inclination that something was happening was the cat stopped purring. A glorious light filled my eyes. My face broke into the widest smile I've ever felt, before or since, and I felt a complete love, joy, happiness, fill me. I think I was looking into the face of the Christ.

This is the best I can write this experience. There was much, much more to it.

As an aside, the boyfriend turned out to be a complete nutter, I'm talking looney bin-type crazy. But the experience was real so ............. who knows?

Was this the kind of experience you were asking about?


9 posted on 11/19/2006 9:39:51 PM PST by Auntie Mame (Fear not tomorrow. God is already there.)
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To: gondramB

My story is a long one, but I'll try to give the short version.

After graduating from college (all the while drinking, some drugs), I moved to Los Angeles. While there met some people in new age and occult teachings and generally I sank lower and lower.

Finally reached a point and called out to God one day (hadn't prayed in years)...a cry for help, a real plea.

God heard my prayer. Over the next few months, I ended up going through some experiences that made me realize this-- the only thing that REALLY matters in life is do you know the Lord? Are you ready to meet Him?

I realized I wasn't. I picked up a Bible that was at my parent's house and began reading.

I was reading one day in the New Testament when all of the sudden the scripture verse practically "jumped" off the page. The truth of that verse became alive...in that moment of time I was made to realize that the Bible is the true word of God, and that Jesus truly is the Saviour of the world.

I became aware of the wrong things in my life and realized they were actually wrong...sinful. But at the same time it was given to me to see that was why Jesus had come and given His life...He died for my sins, so that I could be forgiven. That was the price paid for the sins of the world..His life was given so that we could have mercy and everlasting life.

I prayed then and there asking for God's mercy and forgiveness for every wrong thing I had ever done in my life. And I asked Jesus to come live in my heart by His Spirit, I opened my heart to Him.

And as I prayed, after a while a peace came over my heart and mind--the most wonderful peace I've ever experienced. I knew I was forgiven of my sins. I knew God had heard my prayer. I knew I finally had peace with God.

I slept like a baby that night, and ever since then, now years later, the Lord has had me continuing to study the Bible and pray.

And the amazing thing too was after that night I no longer had any desire to do drugs, no desire to drink (I liked to party, liked to keep drinking and drinking). I even lost the desire to smoke cigarettes.

And, of course, there was no longer any need to search for "truth" -- It (or rather He) had found me. So, I began studying God's word, the Bible.

If you really want to get closer to God, do start reading the New Testament...and also praying, asking the Lord for your own personal experience--but mostly just to be closer to Him.



Hope this helps. And this actually is the short version!





10 posted on 11/19/2006 10:05:03 PM PST by Cedar
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To: gondramB

Thank you very much for sharing your story.

I had sort of a "second hand" experience with God, but it was sufficient for me. When I was in college, my grandfather (who had been ill with Alzheimer's for several years) passed away, and appeared to me that night in a dream to tell me goodbye. I did not have any word beforehand that he had died, and the news did not reach my family until about 10 am the next day. I asked around later, and none of the rest of my family had any similar experience -- I was the only one. I was not particularly close to my grandfather, but I have always felt this was the most loving thing he had ever done for me. Since that night, I have never doubted in the existence of an afterlife, and therefore, I have also never doubted the existence of God. It has made a big difference in my life.


11 posted on 11/19/2006 11:16:07 PM PST by Hetty_Fauxvert (Kelo must GO!! ..... http://sonoma-moderate.blogspot.com/)
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To: gondramB

I was raised in a Baptist Church. I didn't become a Christian until I was 41. The Holy Spirit can touch you in a place you didn't know you had a place. A supernatural experience convinces you of a body of supernatural truth. You can't do what Romans 10:9 says without the touch and help of the Holy Spirit of the Living God.


12 posted on 11/19/2006 11:31:55 PM PST by 185JHP ( "The thing thou purposest shall come to pass: And over all thy ways the light shall shine.")
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To: gondramB

Life has been good to me, but I admit there have been things I wish could have changed.

I wish my heart hadn't been broken so badly by a long-term girlfriend.

I wish I had taken a different career path, since I know I am more capable than I am able to be in my work.

I wish I hadn't got married to my first wife (ex-wife).

I wish I'd studied harder in school, since I know I was capable of much better.

BUT.........

Everytime I interact with my 4-year-old daughter, I realize that there is nothing about my life I would change, if it would mean I wouldn't have her. I now know that my life is the way it is because of her.


While I admit, this doesn't go hand-in-hand with your original question, it is important (for me) to know that I am thoroughly convinced of the presence and importance if God in my life.

My personal viewpoint is that God is the stage master. He directs the circumstances by which the world works. Rarely, if ever, does he get involved directly, but his influence is ever present, even if it is subtle.


13 posted on 11/20/2006 4:34:07 AM PST by RangerM
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To: gondramB

I wrote the following back in 2003:

Well, since you asked . . . I was brought up in the reform Jewish tradition, Bar Mitzvah’d in 1963 and confirmed in 1964. During high school, I began dabbling in Hinduism (studying the Bagavhad Gita, reading SIddhartha and learning to play the sitar). After discovering Ayn Rand in my early twenties, I subsequently became a confirmed atheist, and remained so for almost two decades.

During the 1980s, my layman’s interest in physics, particularly my efforts to understand the theories of Albert Einstein, led me to contemplate the implications of the unified field theory -- a single mathematical equation that describes every process in the universe. Einstein spent the last years of his life trying unsuccessfully to discover that formula, and although modern physics has yet to establish this Holy Grail of everything, I believe that it will one day be found. Stephen Hawkings has said that the discovery of this formula would be equivalent to “reading the mind of God.”

I also found an interesting book on “Financial Success though Creative Thought,” which began by stating a position of “Monism” -- the realization that everything that exists is all one thing. The author, whose name was not given (the book was written around 1905 or so), referred to the universe as being a manifestation of “the Universal Thought Substance.”

Through such readings, and through my study of acoustics in connection with my earlier pursuit of a music degree, I eventually came to realize that the entire universe, which at the subatomic level is not solid, is nothing more than one incredible concept. We experience it physically because our brain interprets its sensory input that way, as a way of making order our of the stimulus. But just as there are only vibrations of air molecules, which we perceive as music, the actual music has no reality. Neither does what comes to us through the other senses – touch, taste, smell and so forth.

To me this fact implies a single, universal mind at the core of creation. Once I had that insight, I felt I could no longer scientifically justify my atheism – especially since at about the same time, while I was training for my black belt in Korean Zen Sword, I began to notice that when modern physicists try to put their mathematical formulas into English, they end up sounding a lot like Zen Buddhists.

Of course, try as I might, I really couldn’t grasp the implications of all this intellectually since it really can’t be done. But in the early ‘90s, reeling a catastrophic business failure and a simultaneous great personal disaster, the only way I could find comfort was by spending hours alone in the chapel at Boston’s famous Mt. Auburn Cemetery, where day after day I would walk among the tombstones or sit in the chapel sobbing and praying out loud for relief from my great pain. I experienced the healing that I felt there as finding my connection to God on a heart level.

To this day, when I feel the need for spiritual renewal, I head to the nearest cemetery by myself and pray to God for strength, wisdom, courage and guidance.

So when asked today what my religion is, I tell people that I am a “Cemeterian.”


14 posted on 11/20/2006 5:35:49 AM PST by Maceman (This is America. Why must we press "1" for English?)
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To: gondramB
I have experienced two very profound visits from God and I am happy to share.

In 1984 my 18 year old son was killed. As I sat in church during his funeral I felt a scream coming on because of the horror of the situation. I asked God to see me through this with some sort of dignity. I no sooner asked this when I felt as if I was being wrapped in a down comforter. All sound and feeling was muffled and this feeling continued for several days.

Then when my son had been gone for about 6 months I went to the cemetery and sat on his grave and asked God why it had to happen to him.
Out of the corner of my eye I saw some mylar balloons on a grave, when I got up I walked over to that grave. It was the grave of a child, from there I picked out a grave about 30 feet away and walked to it, it also was the grave of a child. I continued to do this zig zagging all over the cemetery and every grave I stopped at, was also the grave of a child or teenager (what is the chance of that?). This was NOT a children's cemetery, it was filled with people of all ages. God was telling me that I was not alone in this tragedy and that I had to get through it. With his help I did.
15 posted on 11/20/2006 5:54:06 AM PST by Ditter
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To: Old_Mil

You are having a supernatural experience every day, you just aren't convinced of it.

Look at nature, the universe, the wonderful gift of child bearing. I realize the evolutionist will try describing to you about the "big bang" theory, don't fall for it.

I'm 63, and I excepted Christ as my savior at the age of 15.
About four years ago I came to the knowledge that there is nothing I can do to get into heaven on my own. It is a gift of God, through FAITH and GRACE. You would need to do a lot of understanding of the Gospels to comprehend this theory.
I am at peace with my self, I no longer worry about Hell, it has no claim on me because what Christ did for all who except him as their personal savior.
When I say personal, it is a personal thing. I talk to God in much the same manner I'm talking to you.
I often ask God for many things that I never receive and, I think God He doesn't give them. I have ask for things if he had given would have caused much pain down the road later in life.
I put all my trust in him and, I live one day at a time, by the way, there is much scripture regarding how to attain this belief.
I don't know your age but, I can tell you only about my beliefs. I know the older I get the more I am understanding things pertaining to my relationship with God.

I wish and pray the best for you, stay tough, be kind to others, give yourself to others needs and, love the brethren.


16 posted on 11/20/2006 6:50:20 AM PST by buck61
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To: buck61

I think you misunderstood my post - I am a Christian, and believe that creation is God's doing. However, though I believe that God can act supernaturally (outside of the laws of time, physics, etc) to perform miracles, I've never seen one.


17 posted on 11/20/2006 10:51:29 AM PST by Old_Mil (http://www.constitutionparty.com/)
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To: gondramB
A few years ago I was in the hospital with double pneumonia. I was not doing very well, and there was murmuring in the hallway about putting me on a respirator.

I was fading in and out of conciousness when I saw a man dressed in robes standing in clouds who looked an awful lot like Jesus as portrayed in most images.

I realized I had been praying, and continued, saying "If this is your will, I can only comply. If not, there is much I have left to do here."

He said to me, " Go Back. It is not yet your time."

From there I started coughing up gobs of crud which even amazed the RTs, and within a day I was released.

Someday I will see him again, and it will be my time.

Until then, there is much to do...

18 posted on 11/20/2006 11:02:30 AM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly.)
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To: gondramB

I have never heard the voice of God, even in my head or in my dreams. But I have prayed to God in difficult times, prayed quietly and privately in ways that I deemed right for me. Since I have survived those difficult times, I am not one to discount prayer. I am not a religious man, but I like to think that I am a spiritual man.


19 posted on 11/20/2006 2:27:03 PM PST by Continental Soldier
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To: gondramB

Best to just listen.


20 posted on 11/20/2006 5:33:04 PM PST by gotribe (There's still time to begin a war in Iraq.)
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To: MotleyGirl70

Have you ever read

PILGRIM'S PROGRESS?

The Slough of Despond strikes most earnest believers sooner or later.

Tests abound in this life. This is Boot Camp.

But we CAN overcome by The Blood of The Lamb and the word of our testimony.

BTW, I've been through more utterly despairing situations than most people I have met or known in my 59 years.

God IS faithful . . . in His ways, in His time.

He's not a vending machine.

He insists on being boss, thankfully.


21 posted on 11/21/2006 5:45:59 AM PST by Quix (LET GOD ARISE AND HIS ENEMIES BE SCATTERED. LET ISRAEL CALL ON GOD AS THEIRS! & ISLAM FLUSH ITSELF)
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To: Quix
I started reading Simone Weil this morning, Waiting for God. I haven't even finished the introduction but have been so moved by the evidence in her life of the Fellowship with Christ in His Suffering.

I was outside looking up at the stars and praying, so overflowing with wonder, love, and joy: "Oh, Jesus! Oh, Father! Oh, HOLY Spirit! Thank You for fellowshipping with us in our suffering, and thank You that we may fellowship in Thine."

22 posted on 11/22/2006 2:37:23 AM PST by .30Carbine
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To: .30Carbine

Amen!

Though I still flinch, often enough, at the pain . . . plenty of times.

HE IS

Worth it! And, the sense of identification with Him is worth it.

Thx.


23 posted on 11/22/2006 4:05:40 AM PST by Quix (LET GOD ARISE AND HIS ENEMIES BE SCATTERED. LET ISRAEL CALL ON GOD AS THEIRS! & ISLAM FLUSH ITSELF)
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To: Continental Soldier

I'm increasingly of the opinion that

religion

is a vaccination

AGAINST

authentic spirituality, authentic relationship with God Almighty.


24 posted on 11/22/2006 4:07:32 AM PST by Quix (LET GOD ARISE AND HIS ENEMIES BE SCATTERED. LET ISRAEL CALL ON GOD AS THEIRS! & ISLAM FLUSH ITSELF)
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To: Quix

I am beginning to think you are correct on that, Quix.


25 posted on 11/22/2006 4:09:46 AM PST by bonfire
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To: gondramB
I was a volunteer fireman in the county in which I used to live. One day we got a call to a small baptist church for a woman who was having a seizure. I responded to the call in my car as did the folks in the fire engine. When we got there, there was a woman on the floor, her seizure pretty much over. People who have seen this know that the it's almost like watching a person's brain reboot (like a computer). She was laying there and gradually became aware of what was around her.

But what was really interesting was that when I went in the church, and saw all the people standing around in concern, I got this feeling. It is hard to describe. It was like an inner warmth and a feeling of absolute peace.

Anyway, as she woke up she for some reason fixated on me and looked puzzled (like "who is this guy?"). I am just a First Responder, and there was a Paramedic and EMT there and I figured I was just in the way, so I left the building. I've never been back there, but I've always wondered if I went back would it feel the same way.

26 posted on 11/22/2006 4:30:21 AM PST by Scutter
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To: gondramB

Yes. "In Him we live and move and have our being."


27 posted on 11/22/2006 4:34:31 AM PST by Fester Chugabrew
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To: gondramB

ping for later.


28 posted on 11/22/2006 4:37:14 AM PST by DarthVader (Conservatives aren't always right , but Liberals are almost always wrong.)
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To: .30Carbine; All

Was listening to Chuck Missler on C2CAM . . .

He mentioned that encoded under the surface text of Isaiah 53 were all the names of those present at The Cross (I gather even standing afar off) in terms of the Disciples . . . though one name . . . which statistically because of it's shortness and other qualities tends to show up plenty BY CHANCE and should have shown up at least once in Isaiah 53 . . . that name was NOT there--Judas.

Interesting, anyway.


29 posted on 11/22/2006 5:16:49 AM PST by Quix (LET GOD ARISE AND HIS ENEMIES BE SCATTERED. LET ISRAEL CALL ON GOD AS THEIRS! & ISLAM FLUSH ITSELF)
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To: Quix
Far more fascinating to me is how powerful that passage is in removing the veil that keeps Jews from seeing the Messiah Jesus! It is the writing itself, and the "decoding" that occurs as the mind, the will of man, embraces the Truth - that Christ/Messiah/The Promised Deliverer has come and has been crucified, rejected, spurned by His own People, killed, buried, resurrected to Authority - and that the promised deliverance was not (as expected) from a particular political world leader (Herod, Pilate, Rome, etc.) and not necessarily deliverance from social oppressions (slavery, dictators, injustice), but from the enemy Satan and the oppressors Sin and the Fear of Death leading to peace, joy and praise forever!

The words themselves, the Word of God where His Spirit hovers, are the beauty, the hidden-in-plain-sight mystery, the knowledge worthy of investigation! No "code" is needed (and can in fact get in the way of Real Discovery!); only a willingness, an honest searching for Truth, a straightforward reading and questioning of the text is required, and faith in the Word leads to salvation, amen.

Isaiah 53 (NASB)
The Suffering Servant
1Who has believed our message?
And to whom has the arm of the LORD been revealed?
2For He grew up before Him like a tender shoot,
And like a root out of parched ground;
He has no stately form or majesty
That we should look upon Him,
Nor appearance that we should be attracted to Him.
3He was despised and forsaken of men,
A man of sorrows and acquainted with grief;
And like one from whom men hide their face
He was despised, and we did not esteem Him.
4Surely our griefs He Himself bore,
And our sorrows He carried;
Yet we ourselves esteemed Him stricken,
Smitten of God, and afflicted.
5But He was pierced through for our transgressions,
He was crushed for our iniquities;
The chastening for our well-being fell upon Him,
And by His scourging we are healed.
6All of us like sheep have gone astray,
Each of us has turned to his own way;
But the LORD has caused the iniquity of us all
To fall on Him.
7He was oppressed and He was afflicted,
Yet He did not open His mouth;
Like a lamb that is led to slaughter,
And like a sheep that is silent before its shearers,
So He did not open His mouth.
8By oppression and judgment He was taken away;
And as for His generation, who considered
That He was cut off out of the land of the living
For the transgression of my people, to whom the stroke was due?
9His grave was assigned with wicked men,
Yet He was with a rich man in His death,
Because He had done no violence,
Nor was there any deceit in His mouth.
10But the LORD was pleased
To crush Him, putting Him to grief;
If He would render Himself as a guilt offering,
He will see His offspring,
He will prolong His days,
And the good pleasure of the LORD will prosper in His hand.
11As a result of the anguish of His soul,
He will see it and be satisfied;
By His knowledge the Righteous One,
My Servant, will justify the many,
As He will bear their iniquities.
12Therefore, I will allot Him a portion with the great,
And He will divide the booty with the strong;
Because He poured out Himself to death,
And was numbered with the transgressors;
Yet He Himself bore the sin of many,
And interceded for the transgressors.

I do not read anywhere the command to preach codes - is this code found in every translation as indeed the Power of God is? Only the Good News that Jesus Christ the Unblemished Lamb has come just as foretold, has paid the penalty for our sin just as foretold, has risen from the dead just as foretold, and He is Lord, King, and God just as promised - faith in these facts are become Salvation!

30 posted on 11/23/2006 3:03:49 AM PST by .30Carbine
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To: .30Carbine

Thanks for your kind reply.

You might find this thread of some interest:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/1742763/posts

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Of course we are not instructed to preach codes . . . though perhaps in a sense we are when we preach the Whole counsel of the whole of Scripture as Scripture's surface text also is encoded as Christ mentioned such that the pharisees et al would not see and understand.

But in terms of the ELS(Equidistant Letter Sequence) codes, they are calculated on the most widely accepted Hebrew version.

Interestingly, given some accusations that one letter difference would throw the whole thing off--and there are different versions from antiquity--they have begun experimenting and finding that God has left evidence of His Majesty to set such things up in more than one version, as I understand it. Awesome. But that's just a beginning exploration almost as an idle curiosity.

The vast bulk of the research has been done and is done with the most widely accepted (by Jewish scholars) Hebrew version.

I see the codes as something like the stars and Heavens declaring the Majesty of God. "Just" another clue to His Majesty and power.

They have affirmed that Christ came in the flesh and all the basic doctrines of the faith.

And, they are now so statistically out of the ball park of due to chance--they are well beyond any galactic cluster known, so to speak in terms of being unlikely due to chance. The statistics are incredible. I think in some cases, they are beyond the capacity of Micrsoft Xcell to calculate.

It used to be that they thought they might have someting significant at 10 letters. Then they discovered that wasn't really that significant. Too much could still occur by chance. Last I heard the minimal statistically significant code has to have AT LEAST 30 characters in length.

That rules out a LOT of fly-by-night websights and Drosnin's junk.

But then along comes things like 125 and this latest 296 letter long code--that's left everyone in the dust.

It also appears that some of the statistically insignificant length codes may well be valid because their keywords cross keywords about the same thing in the surface text and because there are clusters of them around the key phrases in the surface text. When a collection of sometimes artfully arranged individually too short codes are collected together around a key word/phrase . . . then those can become statistically awesome as a collection.

But there's also a phenomenon which is kind of awesomely beautiful. There is a code which in Hebrew forms a cross. I forget the term. I think it's 3 letters across and 3 letters down. Could be 5. Anyway--it's statistically insignificant. It occurs quite frequently by chance alone.

HOWEVER, in at least one main region of the Old Testament text where the surface text is predicting the crucifixion, the cross, there's massively more such little crosses than chance would predict, clustered around those surface text passages and through them. There's no explanation if it's all chance. And the difference in frequency of the crosses appearing in those passages is significantly above chance.

I see it as God laughing at the super rationalists. I see it as Him playing with man. I see it as Him having man's intellect in derision.

He's already made fools of the two most publicized naysayers. They were caught in serious deception and their statistical design etc. has been proven not only faulty but ridiculous compared to the authentic codes now found to be so long. There's NOTHING their design or anyone else's design can discover in unencoded Hebrew Moby Dick or anything else which can come remotely even close to the same region--the same galactic cluster--the same ball park.

I see the codes as a kind of God inspired gilding, illuminating--kind of like the ancient illuminated manuscripts--awesomely beautiful Godly doodling in the margins so to speak. Though it's not in the margins.

The codes are woven into the woof and warp of the fabric of Scripture--the foundation of Scripture itself at the letter level. That's why it's utter nonsense to label it numerology or any other evil thing. Doesn't fit the definitions by a googillion miles. But Holy Spirit inspired each word. Jews believe God dictated the 5 books of Moses letter by letter. No way would God allow satan to corrupt His Word at such a level.

And, as Christ said--they attest that He came in the flesh and the basic doctrines of Scripture.

Anyway--I don't consider them more than an added fascinating embellishment God has provided for this era of computers to reveal yet more of His TIMELESS power and majesty. I think it MAY BE TRUE THAT THIS IS THE UNLOCKING OF THE SECRETS DANIEL WAS TOLD TO LOCK UP until the time of the end.


31 posted on 11/23/2006 7:57:01 AM PST by Quix (LET GOD ARISE AND HIS ENEMIES BE SCATTERED. LET ISRAEL CALL ON GOD AS THEIRS! & ISLAM FLUSH ITSELF)
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To: Scutter

but I've always wondered if I went back would it feel the same way.

= = = =

Hard to say.

Quite likely not. But possibly similar.

1. If a church/congregation stays close to The Lord and worship is authentic, heart-felt and Spirit-led, you might feel quite similarly or more so walking into the building. That, sadly, tends to be a big "if."

2. God seems to have an aversion to doing the same sort of 'supernatural' confirmation thing over and over in the same way and the same place. Kind of like He doesn't want us addicted to the phenomena but in love with HIM AS HE IS vs merely in love with such side effects so to speak.

3. The situation would be different and the focus would be different. That setting was being compassionate, supportive, nurturing etc. to a sister who was having a difficulty. Next time, the pastor could be in the midst of a declarative sermon against sin. The subjective atmosphere of the place would likely be different even though Holy Spirit could be intensely there in the midst of such a sermon.

4. IT IS a GREAT clue, as Scriptue indicates, TO FOLLOW AFTER PEACE--AND THE SORT OF PEACE YOU FELT. That's a good rule of thumb about following an inner still small voice that one might wonder if it's Holy Spirit, or not.

May God lead you and all you love into deeper and deeper intimacy with Him.


32 posted on 11/23/2006 8:04:47 AM PST by Quix (LET GOD ARISE AND HIS ENEMIES BE SCATTERED. LET ISRAEL CALL ON GOD AS THEIRS! & ISLAM FLUSH ITSELF)
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To: gondramB
Hello all

I wanted to post my experience on here as its quite unusual as you will perhaps see

I have always felt there was a "God" although i have never got much past God is Love in the Bible.
Some of the loving comments Jesus has made rang true.
In my early teens I used to dream sections of my future that would then "happen" and was able to prove this to my parents by describing events they then witnessed although it has to be said i felt this was "normal"
As you can appreciate I knew what i was seeing wasnt the complete story

Aged 37 and a few months after my Nan had passed away I had been asking some deep questions - I cant say praying but more thoughts in mind
My thoughts led me to begin to see the healing of love and of forgivness - perhaps more accurate to say i was being led in thought and became very forgiving and compassionate for all - people society judged good and bad like saddam and those terrorists that killed the children in Russia
It was like i was led to realise i did not know there minds - yet also that our minds were the same with a few switched flipped the other way - hope that makes sense
Anyway - i suppose i came to the conclusion that love was the most important thing to me.

I sat down with my wife and watched a film called Bruce Almighty - a tounge in cheek comedy about God

As I watched the film i had a comentary running in my head - realising i did so many things the character in the film was doing - yet it wasnt judgemental it was loving guidance.

Towards the end of the film there is a part where the man in the film realises he just doesnt know and then goes on to pray for his girlfriends happiness whatever that may mean to him - unconditional love
On that emotion i can only describe rising without body instantly into perfection - golden light - then infinity and all knowing
Being told in mind how perfect we are, how loved and cherished, how we are grace and that there are no exceptions to this - all of us regardless of "our judgement"
It is simply undescribable and yet so simple - it is a remembering of self and not a learning.

This event changed my life completely - from BMW driving executive to someone who only wants to spread the message of Love to all.

My problem then was how to communicate this message - after all what Jesus tells us matches my experience but certainly the OT doesnt so the Bible and the fearfull messages it contained just didnt fit ?

About a year after my experience I was given a book by a dear friend who has been in and out of my life since i was a child - she told me what i was describing was within its pages and I read about 400 pages in three evenings nodding and smiling with joy - this was indeed what i had been shown in words 0 the indescriable described.

About a year after this I managed to get to page 415 "The Forgotton Song" and within it was my exact experience in every detail - only God himself could know this as it was he who i shared it with

We do indeed worship God because he loves us so greatly - beyond anything we could every humanly imagine - it is not a slavery worship but a in awe of love worship - awesome

Anyway - to the point , the book i was given is called "A Course In Miracles" and should you be interested it is free to read online if you do a search, however it may not sit comfortably with the Bible Religion has taught and it is my intention to bring anyone interested Love not fear - so i will add that ALL paths lead to God in the end
We are all completely safe in God for eternity

God bless you all and I pray you will all read this with an open mind and an open heart - God is after all "All knowing" and as such we should all make space for what he knows and not what ANY religion or belief would tell us we should know - including mine - Ask God and be open to HIS answer whatever that may be and he will tell you :)
33 posted on 03/03/2007 5:56:03 PM PST by tonyamendola
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To: tonyamendola

First I really appreciate you and everyone else who has been willing to share on this thread.

>>I sat down with my wife and watched a film called Bruce Almighty - a tounge in cheek comedy about God<<

I feel some commonality with your experience. God seems not to worry about manner of dress or joking a bit about religion or listening to loud music etc... it sounds from talking to many people about this that the key is moment of openness to hear Him.

Thank you again.


34 posted on 03/04/2007 10:29:52 PM PST by gondramB (It wasn't raining when Noah built the ark.)
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To: MotleyGirl70

Hi Motleygal! How have you been, long time no see! Not that I'd ever forget a nice person like you. :) I saw your reply and your tagline on the "experience with God" thread. Kinda made me sad. I know what you mean about people though. The whole dang world seems so cold sometimes. Makes me so mad when good things happen to nasty people and the nice ones are left to suffer sometimes. I don't know, it's just so screwy sometimes.
I just saw you and thought I'd pop in to say hello and give you a warm ((hug)). There are nice people out there, just a little hard to find sometimes. Take care, hope to see more of you, MG! - Gina


35 posted on 03/04/2007 10:43:52 PM PST by derllak
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To: derllak; tonyamendola; Quix; .30Carbine; DarthVader; Fester Chugabrew; Scutter; bonfire; gotribe; ..

I had reason to look back at this vanity thread today.

And it made me want thank those who posted to it - the thread was deeply personal for me.

But we’ve lost a lot of Freepers this year and I didn’t want to be insensitive by pinging those who are no longer here. So I went through the thread and found that every single person who posted still has an active account. And I wonder if that says something.

Not about me. And it certainly doesn’t stop us from disagreeing about other things. Or from disagreeing with the mods etc.

But I wonder if it doesn’t say something about those who have had and chose to share a personal experience that we all wound up tolerant. Tolerant enough to avoid getting so wrapped up in the conflict that we could no longer find a place here.

Anyway, I appreciate you all.

Paul


36 posted on 09/14/2007 9:32:43 AM PDT by gondramB (Preach the Gospel at all times, and when necessary, use words.)
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To: gondramB

Hey likewise! Thanks for your post. I went in without thinking about it, read down it and learned things new, again.


37 posted on 09/14/2007 6:10:11 PM PDT by gotribe (I've been disenfranchised by the GOP.)
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To: gondramB

THANKS FOR YOUR KIND WORDS.

John and Paula Sanford write in their

TRANSFORMATION OF THE INNER MAN or some such title

TRUTH WITHOUT LOVE IS BRUTALITY.

LOVE WITHOUT TRUTH IS (useless) SENTIMENTALITY.

I think that’ strue.

Christ brought us both in Himself.


38 posted on 09/15/2007 7:19:44 PM PDT by Quix (GOD ALONE IS GOD; WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS COMING AGAIN; KNOWS ALL; IS LOVING; IS ALTOGETHER GOOD)
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To: Quix

And thank you. Its nice in the middle of the conflict that fills the world to find instances of kindness and sharing.


39 posted on 09/16/2007 2:04:43 AM PDT by gondramB (Preach the Gospel at all times, and when necessary, use words.)
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To: gondramB

True, true. Thx.


40 posted on 09/16/2007 3:27:44 AM PDT by Quix (GOD ALONE IS GOD; WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS COMING AGAIN; KNOWS ALL; IS LOVING; IS ALTOGETHER GOOD)
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