Posted on 11/21/2006 5:23:06 AM PST by SJackson
"There was nothing wrong with Lincoln freeing slaves within the rebelling states and not the loyal Border states."
There is, if you are going to continue to cling to the notion that the Civil War was fought over slavery.
"Public" university vs. the oldest "state-chartered" university. Maybe we are getting our terms mixed up:
http://www.vet.uga.edu/ahrc/points_of_pride.pdf
Look I was raised on the crap you believe. However, it does not take much research to see that it is entirely wrong and that every claim made by the Slavers and their modern day defenders is a LIE.
Oy Vey, Oy Vey, Oy Vey down South in Dixie.
You have never seen me say anything other than that the South fought ONLY over slavery whereas the North fought to defend the Union. Lincoln's actions were performed ONLY with that defense in mind.
But false claims are part and parcel of those defending the RAT Rebellion.
Georgia's charter dates to 1785, but they didn't open their doors until 1804. UNC is the only public university to have graduated students in the 18th century, having opened their doors eleven years prior to UGA.
"Look I was raised on the crap you believe."
Obviously not.
Something else of which you know nothing but cannot refrain from commenting on.
My favorite is your absurd claim in #84 that "...secession was specifically addressed and allowed" under the Constitution. Such lack of understanding is typical.
Before the institution of the United States Constitution, the Articles of Confederation created a government composed purely of a collection of states cooperating together, with no overruling or federal government. However, the Constitution implemented the federal government to rule over the nation as a whole, with a vague boundary between the two co-existing "levels" of government. In the event a state's law should overlap federal law, the Constitution resolved the conflict in the Supremacy Clause in Article VI in favor of the federal government, which declares federal law the "supreme Law of the Land; and the Judges in every State shall be bound thereby, any Thing in the Constitution or Laws of any State to the Contrary notwithstanding."
When the Federalists passed the Alien and Sedition Acts in 1798, Thomas Jefferson and James Madison secretly wrote the Kentucky and Virginia Resolutions that gave the classic statement of states' rights. The Union is a voluntary association of states and if the central government goes too far, each state has the right to nullify that law. As Jefferson said in the Kentucky Resolutions:
"Resolved, that the several States composing the United States of America, are not united on the principle of unlimited submission to their general government; but that by compact under the style and title of a Constitution for the United States and of amendments thereto, they constituted a general government for special purposes, delegated to that government certain definite powers, reserving each State to itself, the residuary mass of right to their own self-government; and that whensoever the general government assumes undelegated powers, its acts are unauthoritative, void, and of no force: That to this compact each State acceded as a State, and is an integral party, its co-States forming, as to itself, the other party....each party has an equal right to judge for itself, as well of infractions as of the mode and measure of redress."
The Kentucky and Virginia Resolutions became the bedrock principles of Jefferson's Democratic-Republican Party. Those supporters, such as John Randolph, who insisted loudest on states' rights, were called "Old republicans" into the 1820s and 1830s.
Another dispute occurred over the War of 1812. At the Hartford Convention, New England states voiced opposition to President Madison and the war, and discussed secession from the Union.
The matter remained unsettled, until the U.S. Supreme Court ruled in the 1869 case Texas v. White that unilateral secession by a U.S. state was unconstitutional and had no force in statutory law.
Do you have a citation for your claim that Sherman was "guided by voices in his head"?
Even as early as the Confederation the Union was declared to be "perpetual". The Constitution made it "more perfect". It was NOT an association of states that was PRECISELY the form of government that was REJECTED. Madison wrote several of the Federalist papers showing how such governments cannot succeed. The Constitution was written to REMOVE power from the States since that had led to the ennervation of the general government.
Approval of the Constitution was EXPLICITLY taken out of the hands of state authority when Congress called for conventions of the American People to be held WITHIN states. States legislatures were NOT allowed to ratify because Congress wanted to remove the possibility of a future legislative act disallowing ratification.
The irResolutions were REJECTED by every state except KY and VA and were a disgrace to the memory of both Madison and Jefferson. Madison eventually EXPLICITLY rejected any claim that they could be used to justify secession. They would have lead to Constitutional chaos. But Jefferson's understanding of the Constitution was not very great anyway.
States' Rights allow NO state actions which impacted the Union. They were strictly limited to INTERNAL affairs.
You still have not shown ANY writings by the Founders approving or allowing secession. It is completely antithetical to the creation of a government strong enough to protect Liberty. With a possibility of secession the Union would not have survived just as a House would collapse if its foundation were subject to having a wall removed after building.
That, of course, is an exaggeration. It is true that Sherman had some mental problems prior to the War.
Thomas Jackson's students nicknamed him "Crazy Tom" as well.
Sherman was widely dogged by newspaper accounts of the era, both in the North and the South, claiming that he was insane; his mother's family was mentally unstable; various governmental reports and letters, including one from Grant to Lincoln, allude to this fact; and then you have numerous, contemporary biographies that speculate as to what sort of condition was actually behind Sherman's well-documented mental difficulties ... such as narcissistic personality disorder, manic-depression, or what have you. I will be glad to provide you with a cite or two later this evening, but it seems that a simple Google search would turn up ample verification.
otoh, lincoln, the TYRANT, was also a notorious racist & antisemite, so perhaps NOT.
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at this time, the most vicious racists in the country are clustered in the north & "left coast".
OHIO houses the NATIONAL HQ of the KKK.
NY has more klan-IDIOTS RIGHT NOW,than ANY THREE dixie states COMBINED.
that is the point.
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coincidence??? i think NOT!
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you have ALWAYS been an APOLOGIST for the WORST atrocities committed by the TENS of THOUSANDS by the hypocritical,hate-FILLED, racist, DAMNyankees.
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Well this thread is officially dead with the arrival of the Clown Crew.
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