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Cessna rattled by Boeing plane's wake
Seattle Post Intelligencer ^
| November 28, 2006
| JAMES WALLACE
Posted on 11/28/2006 12:58:03 PM PST by skeptoid
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. .."The Large Cargo Freighter was on an approved flight path -- it was where it was supposed to be when it was supposed to be there," a Boeing spokesman said.
Allen Kenitzer, a spokesman for the FAA's regional office, said air traffic controllers issued a required wake turbulence warning as the Boeing jet approached the airport. The pilots of the Cessna acknowledged the wake advisory and said they had the 747 in sight, Kenitzer said. ....." So .... everybody knew where everybody else was ..... this was a very valuable 'learning experience'. with a totally happy ending.
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posted on
11/28/2006 12:58:05 PM PST
by
skeptoid
To: Nailbiter
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posted on
11/28/2006 12:59:01 PM PST
by
IncPen
(When Al Gore Finished the Internet, he Invented Global Warming)
To: skeptoid
"this was a very valuable 'learning experience'. with a totally happy ending."Yep, except for whoever had to wash the poor student's underwear when he got home that is...
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posted on
11/28/2006 1:01:19 PM PST
by
Abathar
(Proudly catching hell for posting without reading the article since 2004)
To: Abathar
Wash?
It probably got thrown in the garbage after that.
Mine would have!
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posted on
11/28/2006 1:03:36 PM PST
by
MplsSteve
To: Paleo Conservative
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posted on
11/28/2006 1:03:51 PM PST
by
Yo-Yo
(USAF, TAC, 12th AF, 366 TFW, 366 MG, 366 CRS, Mtn Home AFB, 1978-81)
To: skeptoid
Sometimes Visual Flight Rating is just not high enough standard in certain air space corridors.
People once thought prop wash was a disturbing phenomenon.
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posted on
11/28/2006 1:06:09 PM PST
by
alloysteel
(Facts do not cease to exist, just because they are ignored. - Aldous Huxley)
To: alloysteel
Cheap shot against VFR pilots....
There was a fully qualified CFI next to him that allowed a dangerous condition to foster after a warning from the tower and basic flying 101 rules of maintaining distance from large aircraft due to wake turbulence.
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posted on
11/28/2006 1:10:01 PM PST
by
nevergore
(?It could be that the purpose of my life is simply to serve as a warning to others.?)
To: nevergore
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posted on
11/28/2006 1:12:15 PM PST
by
skeptoid
(BS, AE, AA)
To: skeptoid
Recently I was in a 737 about 20 minutes from landing when the plane rolled about 30 degrees to the left in half a second. The plane quickly (3 secs) corrected and then 10 seconds after that rolled to the right. Same deal. Yelps, screams and calls to deity filled the cabin. I've taken literally hundreds of flights and have never experienced that. I guessed wake turbulence but what do I know? No announcement was made. Upon landing I asked the captain and he confirmed it was wake turbulence. I asked him who put the aircraft too close together and he told me the planes were spaced appropriately. Can any of you aviation buffs tell me if the captain was being honest regarding the proximity of the planes?
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To: nevergore
Anyway you look at it the c.f.i. was responsible. Warning was given and the c.f.i. was in the trainer. He will be getting a visit from a f.a.a. rep soon enough and will have to go through review.
Wouldn't be suprised if his licence were suspended. To cover his rear he's most probably filed a dangerous incident report already.
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posted on
11/28/2006 1:17:08 PM PST
by
Joe Boucher
(an enemy of islam)
To: skeptoid
Wake turbulence.Why was he so close?Used to be a spacing of 5 miles behind an aircraft this size with a small plane involved.
To: Joe Boucher
He can file the report which in most cases protect GA pilots but I'm not sure in an instructors capacity whether that immunity would apply.
You're correct, He most likely will be suspended pending remedial training....
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posted on
11/28/2006 1:20:37 PM PST
by
nevergore
(?It could be that the purpose of my life is simply to serve as a warning to others.?)
To: alloysteel
It's Visual Flight Rules (not Visual Flight Rating).
Even if both aircraft were on IFR flight plans there's nothing to prevent the same thing from happening. If the trailing pilot (the Cessna) in this case accepts a visual approach even while on an IFR flight plan then the pilot is responsible for separation including wake avoidance.
The CFI should have corrected the student's spacing in order to provide appropriate separation.
Chris - PP-ASEL (Instrument Student)
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posted on
11/28/2006 1:21:01 PM PST
by
Glock19C
To: skeptoid
A couple of years ago, I shared an office with a guy who owned a
Beechcraft Bonanza. We used to go flying at lunchtime at the nearby major airport (~10 min from were we worked). Once we followed an Airbus in for landing [control tower dictates order etc] We were no where near the wake turbluence, but I can see how this could happen....
To: Joe Boucher
"The flight instructor works for the company but she was not available Monday for comment." The instructor was a she.
(Just FYI.)
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posted on
11/28/2006 1:22:45 PM PST
by
skeptoid
(BS, AE, AA)
To: I see my hands
That depends; did you record it and get his name, rank and number?
Seriesly, .... maybe. Or it could have been that little rudder hardover thing.
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posted on
11/28/2006 1:26:55 PM PST
by
skeptoid
(BS, AE, AA)
To: skeptoid
Boeing told investigators that the Large Cargo Freighter, which will have a maximum takeoff weight of about 800,000 pounds, weighed about 633,700 pounds at the time it passed the Cessna on final approach to the airport. It is expected to be certified with a maximum gross landing weight of 575,000 pounds.
So why was the LCF 58,700 pounds overweight on approach? Part of the certification tests?
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posted on
11/28/2006 1:28:48 PM PST
by
Yo-Yo
(USAF, TAC, 12th AF, 366 TFW, 366 MG, 366 CRS, Mtn Home AFB, 1978-81)
To: Joe Boucher
He will be getting a visit from a f.a.a. rep soon enough and will have to go through review. First of all the "he" is a she. I say she gets some sort of commendation, and maybe even wins a lawsuit. Her plane was on final and was passed by the larger Boeing plane.
So tell me Ace, what do you think the Cessna should have done? It sounds to me as if it was there first.
ML/NJ
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posted on
11/28/2006 1:32:14 PM PST
by
ml/nj
To: Yo-Yo
"Part of the certification tests?" I couldn't say, but that's what I would guess, and the article didn't say that the LCF touched down....could have been touch and go or goaround.
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posted on
11/28/2006 1:39:05 PM PST
by
skeptoid
(BS, AE, AA)
To: ml/nj
I can see it now: "brown alert!"
"what's a brown alert?"
"the color of my trousers!"
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posted on
11/28/2006 1:39:39 PM PST
by
camle
(keep your mind open and somebody will fill it full of something for you)
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