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A family says it was robbed(1933 Gold Double Eagle)
The Philadelphia inquirer ^ | 12/06/06 | Joseph A. Gambardello

Posted on 12/06/2006 1:51:05 PM PST by grjr21

The family of a late Center City jeweler sued the federal government yesterday seeking the return of 10 extremely rare 1933 gold U.S. coins that could fetch millions each at auction.

The daughter and grandsons of Israel Switt contend the government illegally seized the "double eagle" coins after they brought them to the U.S. Mint to be authenticated in 2004.

The 1-ounce coins, each with a face value of $20, were among more than 445,000 that were minted but never circulated after the United States went off the gold standard in 1933. The entire supply - except for these 10 and at least 10 others known to exist - was melted into bullion.

The government contends the coins - considered the Holy Grail among some collectors - were stolen property of the United States.

Michael White, a spokesman for the U.S. Mint, said government lawyers had not seen the suit and could not comment immediately.

In their court filing, Joan Langbord, 79, who still runs her father's business, I. Switt, on South Eighth Street, and her sons Roy and David noted that the government in the previous seizure of another 1933 double eagle split the proceeds with its owner, Stephen Fenton, after the coin sold for a record $7.59 million at auction in 2002.

In 1944, the government also allowed King Farouk of Egypt to own and export a 1933 double eagle without questioning how it came into circulation, said the suit, filed in U.S. District Court in Philadelphia.

Nine other coins, which were traced back to Switt, were seized over the years, not returned and melted. The government later also sought - unsuccessfully - the return of the Farouk coin.

The Langbords do not say how Israel Switt obtained the double eagles but said he collected coins and that it was common practice at the time for collectors and jewelers to exchange old coins and gold for new coins at the mint.

"The Langbord family was forced to bring this case to vindicate one of the most basic principles of American law: that the government cannot permanently confiscate property from its citizens without proving its right to do so in court," said their attorney, Barry H. Berke of New York.

"Here, the mint's lawless position is that by merely claiming the coins were somehow removed from the mint unlawfully in the 1930s, they can take the Langbord family's property without proving it in a court of law," said Berke, who represented Fenton in the earlier case. "The mint has taken that position because it knows it cannot prove how the 1933 double eagles left the mint over 70 years ago."

He said the government would not have known about the 10 coins if the Langbords, aware of the Fenton case, had not brought them to the attention of the mint and delivered them for authentication in 2004.

Israel Switt died in 1990 and his daughter found the coins while inspecting a safety deposit box at a Center City bank in 2003, the suit said.

Since confiscating the coins, the government has not filed any legal claim for them, a violation of federal law, said the suit, which seeks a jury trial.

Read the lawsuit via http://go.philly.com/coins


TOPICS: Local News
KEYWORDS: coins; doubleeagle
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I'd love to hear the story behind this.
1 posted on 12/06/2006 1:51:09 PM PST by grjr21
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To: grjr21
They were stolen as these coins were never introduced into public circulation.
2 posted on 12/06/2006 1:52:57 PM PST by 2banana (My common ground with terrorists - they want to die for islam and we want to kill them)
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To: grjr21

http://www.amazon.com/Double-Eagle-Story-Worlds-Valuable/dp/0393059499
Nice book.

I think one sold in 2002 for 7.6 mil. Not bad.


3 posted on 12/06/2006 1:53:21 PM PST by FLOutdoorsman (Belief in a cruel God makes a cruel man.)
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To: 2banana

FDR was an avid stamp collector. Did he not receive some rare and valuable error-printings? I thought I recalled some controversy about it.


Reminds me of the gun that killed Jack Ruby... it was slated for destruction at one point, seized as an unregistered firearm. I don't know how that case turned out.


4 posted on 12/06/2006 1:57:15 PM PST by SteveMcKing
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To: grjr21
These coins can't be that rare, I saw them advertised on late night television for $19.95 each.

</sarc>

5 posted on 12/06/2006 1:59:48 PM PST by Yo-Yo (USAF, TAC, 12th AF, 366 TFW, 366 MG, 366 CRS, Mtn Home AFB, 1978-81)
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To: FLOutdoorsman

I thought there would be an interesting story behind it and that someone could write a book about it.Well it looks like someone already did.


6 posted on 12/06/2006 1:59:51 PM PST by grjr21
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To: FLOutdoorsman

If Joan and her family were smart they would have just contacted Farouk and let him buy them (black market style)...LOL


7 posted on 12/06/2006 2:07:49 PM PST by Repub4bush (FWF.....Speechless!)
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To: grjr21
Every single 1933 Double Eagle except for 2 given to the Smithsonian (I think?) were supposed to be melted down for bullion.

They were never put in circulation but were in the possession of the US Mint during the few months between their pressing and their melting down.

Apparently a Mint employee managed to steal some of them before they were melted down.

Basically, every 1933 Double Eagle not in the possession of the US Treasury Department is stolen.

You don't get to keep something just because you didn't know it was hot.

These are stolen goods - the only ground for complaint is that the government has been more lenient with some people who have been caught with them and harsher with others.

The government would probably argue that there were issues of diplomacy there that don't apply to domestic law enforcement.

8 posted on 12/06/2006 2:10:31 PM PST by wideawake ("The nation which forgets its defenders will itself be forgotten." - Calvin Coolidge)
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To: SteveMcKing

"...Reminds me of the gun that killed Jack Ruby..."

I believe Jack Ruby died of cancer in prison. You must mean Lee Harvey Oswald. And besides, the gun didn't kill anyone. It was the guy pulling the trigger that did.


9 posted on 12/06/2006 2:20:14 PM PST by NCC-1701 (To boldly go where no FReeper has gone before. Live long and prosper.)
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To: wideawake

You're probably right regarding the coins were never intentionally circulated however this isn't the issue.

The Government has to prove this in court......

They siezed private property without compensation.....If they were stolen goods, then let them prove it in court..


10 posted on 12/06/2006 2:33:18 PM PST by nevergore (?It could be that the purpose of my life is simply to serve as a warning to others.?)
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To: nevergore
The Government has to prove this in court......

No it doesn't.

The family has to prove in court that their rights were violated.

If someone stole your iPod, say, and somone else later found it and was using it and showed it to you and said: "Hey check out the iPod I found!"

And you examined it and found your stolen iPod's serial number on it and said: "Umm, this iPod is mine. It has the serial number of my stolen iPod engraved in it. I'm holding onto it."

Would you have to prove in court that it was yours before you held onto it?

Not at all.

If the iPod finder disputed your claim they would have to take you to court to recover it.

No one has to preemptively prove in court that their own property is their own property.

11 posted on 12/06/2006 2:43:59 PM PST by wideawake ("The nation which forgets its defenders will itself be forgotten." - Calvin Coolidge)
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To: grjr21
Hey, they voted for Roosevelt! </sarc, sort of>
12 posted on 12/06/2006 2:46:13 PM PST by Dont Mention the War (Giuliani '08: Why not p. o. BOTH sides?)
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To: nevergore
Oh, and I would add to my hypothetical that you had already reported your iPod as stolen and filled out a police report with the serial number, making it a matter of public record.

Since in this case it was public knowledge that the coins in question belong to the Treasury Dept. by law.

13 posted on 12/06/2006 2:52:37 PM PST by wideawake ("The nation which forgets its defenders will itself be forgotten." - Calvin Coolidge)
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To: wideawake

Reread my post.....

I didn't state that the government would have to initiate this in court....

I stated that the government will have to prove this in court.....The family filed the suit.....

Because the goverment stated that all coins were destroyed except for a few that were stolen, let them show the documents in court, the discovery process on this could be fascinating. Additionally, the governments previous action involving the disposition of other coins is inconsistent with "stolen goods".....

It will be interesting to see how this turns out....


14 posted on 12/06/2006 3:01:27 PM PST by nevergore (?It could be that the purpose of my life is simply to serve as a warning to others.?)
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To: wideawake
If someone stole your iPod,

The difference between your Ipod and these coins is that the coins are arguably money. Money is fungible so subsequent possessors of stolen money are not required to return it to some supposedly rightful owner. E.g. if someone robs a bank of a bunch of bills of know serial numbers, and the robber buys something from your deli with some of those bills, you as deli owner are not required to return the money to the bank.

ML/NJ

15 posted on 12/06/2006 3:11:51 PM PST by ml/nj
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To: wideawake
The government would probably argue that there were issues of diplomacy there that don't apply to domestic law enforcement.

IOW some people are more equal than others, in the eyes of the US Government. So much for the idea of individual sovreignty (as if there were any remaining doubt).

16 posted on 12/06/2006 3:19:39 PM PST by coloradan (Failing to protect the liberties of your enemies establishes precedents that will reach to yourself.)
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To: NCC-1701
"I believe Jack Ruby died of cancer in prison. You must mean Lee Harvey Oswald. And besides, the gun didn't kill anyone. It was the guy pulling the trigger that did."

 

Excellent points. Yes, it was the gun that Ruby used I was thinking of.

I also despise when the media says "a shooter killed 3 people today..."

"A shooter"?!

The press just wants to defame all shooters as murderers.

17 posted on 12/06/2006 5:58:56 PM PST by SteveMcKing
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To: nevergore
Additionally, the governments previous action involving the disposition of other coins is inconsistent with "stolen goods".....

Not really. The only coin that was treated differently was one obtained by a foreign monarch.

Because of the obvious diplomatic implications of accusing the sovereign of a foreign ally of committing felony theft, and because of that possessor's ability to claim diplomatic immunity, and because the coin was on foreign soil the only way to get it back without provoking an international incident was to treat its export as a mistake by a US official.

The man who wound up possessing that coin was thus able to claim that he acquired it legally and the Tresury Dept. settled out of court - yet never conceded that the possessor had legal ownership.

As far as the US is concerned, Fenton was the victim of a customs official's mistake.

The owner of these coins cannot claim to have a document from the US Customs Service authorizing them to possess these coins the way King Farouk did.

It will make for an interesting case, but all of the strange factors that enabled Fenton to recoup his investment do not obtain here.

They cannot even argue that they invested money in the coins in good faith: these stolen goods fell into their lap.

18 posted on 12/06/2006 8:05:48 PM PST by wideawake ("The nation which forgets its defenders will itself be forgotten." - Calvin Coolidge)
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To: ml/nj
the coins are arguably money

You make strong points, except for the fact that these coins were never legally money.

They were withheld from circulation and never authorized as currency, remaining the property of the Treasury Department.

They were actually prohibited from serving as currency 9 days before they were even struck.

The fact that they exist at all was a result of a bureaucratic snafu.

19 posted on 12/06/2006 8:11:29 PM PST by wideawake ("The nation which forgets its defenders will itself be forgotten." - Calvin Coolidge)
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To: coloradan
IOW some people are more equal than others, in the eyes of the US Government.

Pure blather.

From the very first days of the republic, foreign heads of state and their representatives have enjoyed diplomatic immunity.

Get in the game.

And I'm not sure why you even bring up the notion of "individual sovereignty."

We do not live in a Rousseauist fantasyland where individuals are sovereigns.

That's a concept you will find nowhere in the Constitution.

20 posted on 12/06/2006 8:15:36 PM PST by wideawake ("The nation which forgets its defenders will itself be forgotten." - Calvin Coolidge)
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