Ammunition Question .22 Cal

12/10/06 | Bear_Slayer

[ExSoldier]

What brand of .22 is the most deadly?

No such thing. There are only deadly men.

[TChad]

I drove the barrel of the weapon into the elephants heart killing him dead.

Bwana's pipe smell different.

[cripplecreek]

Bwana's pipe smell different.

Quite!

[ExSoldier]

Ever read the series of books by David Hathaway Capstick that detail the adventures of those early predecessors of himself? Capstick was the LAST of the Great White Hunters. I think the Clint Eastwood movie "White Hunter Black Heart" was loosely based on him. The movie with Michael Douglas The Ghost and the Darkness is definitely based on his writing. There were some dramatic titles: Death in the Silent Places. Death in the Long Grass. But he had a wonderful writing style and a dry ascerbic wit.

[Tijeras_Slim]

My stepfather had the pleasure of knowing Peter Capstick as well as Robert Ruark. I've read almost all of Capsticks's work, and you are right about his style. He was apparently just as funny, if not more so in person.

[ExSoldier]

My stepfather had the pleasure of knowing Peter Capstick as well as Robert Ruark.

WOW! What I would have given to sit around a fireside (or a campfire) with those two and listen to them talk over a bottle of Bourbon or two. Or maybe a fine Brandy....

[Springman]

Another vote for CCI mini-mags. Twenty years ago, 2 friends, in Detroit, had break-ins.

Marline model 60 and CCI mini-mags sent two Clymers to the hospital.

One shattered femur and one guy who "lost one of his B**LS".

My 83 year old Dad has Marline model 60, and he sleeps well at night in Detroit. That and one of his sons', rock the new year in, Detroit style!!!

[Hazcat]

My 83 year old Dad has Marline model 60,

So your 83 yrold Dad has a model named Marline who is 60, nice going! ;)

[Springman]

LOL!!! Well that's the reason he has those little blue pills!!!! Thought he ran into Rush, when he was in FLA!!!

BTW, can't tupe or spill for shet, Detroit Pubilc Skools!!!

[Beagle8U]

"What brand of .22 is the most deadly?"

It might be a scary sounding 22 Automatic ?

I own one that my grandfather bought new.

Winchester 1903 22 cal. Automatic. ( yes, they are labeled as automatic)

They were the first commercial 22 semi- auto but the normal 22 LR rimfire of the time were black powder and would foul the action after a few shots.

So Winchester made the 22 automatic chambers and cartriges slightly larger in dia. so they wouldn't fit in the regular 22 cal. and used smokeless powder.

I believe the thinking was the higher chamber pressures of the smokeless powder might damage the older black powder 22's.

[Hazcat]

Do you know anything about 30-06 ballistics?

I was wondering about sighting in my Savage. I would like to see a graph so I can figure out where to sight in at 100 yards so that it would still be useful at 200 yds. I do not have a scope on it (I'm an iron sights kinda guy) so 200 yards is as far as I would even think about a shot.

[Hazcat]

So Winchester made the 22 automatic chambers and cartriges slightly larger in dia. so they wouldn't fit in the regular 22 cal. and used smokeless powder

So if you have a .22 from before 1903 it won't chamber modern .22?

[Beagle8U]

"So if you have a .22 from before 1903 it won't chamber modern .22?"

I think the modern 22 rimfire is the same size as the older 22 rimfire that used black powder.

Only the Winchester 22 automatic is a different size. They are no longer made.

OWS ( old west scrounger) did special order a run of 22 automatic ammo last year and they have them available in boxes of 50 for something under $10. ( I forgot the price $7.50?)

[Hazcat]

OK. I was cornfuzed! Now I get it. Old Winchester 22 auto is the 'odd man out'.

[Beagle8U]

I should note that there was also a 22 special that was made years ago that was longer than the 22 LR rimfire but is shorter than the modern 22 mag.

The 22 special, 22 winchester automatic, and the newer 22 mag. are stamped as such.

All others will be stamped 22 cal. S-L-LR. ( or just one of those).

[donmeaker]

I always like the .505 Gibbs, for romantic reasons.

The Short Happy Life of Francis Macomber, by Hemmingway. Pity Hemmingway was a Democrat. A little repressed class warfare comes out in that one.

[Beagle8U]

If you sight your 30/06 about 1" high at 100 yds you should be about 1" low at 200yds.

That would be for a 165 grain boattail spitz. at 2800 FPS.

[donmeaker]

Remington's web site has good ballistics.

For serious North American hunting, I shoot 180 grain bullets from my .30/06s (Springield 03 and Mannlicher-Shoenhaur) and 150 grain bullets from my .308 Winchesters (Savage Scout and Savage 99), so they all print just about on top of each other. The pigs and mule deer don't seem to care which hits them.

For fun hunting, (coyotes) or for meat, I use 180 grain bullets one of my two old .30/40 Krag-Jorgensens. Less recoil, and it kicks the pins out from under anything just fine.

Your mileage may vary.

[Hazcat]

Thanks!

[real saxophonist]

Most deadly for humans or squirrels? I agree with those who say CCI is the best .22 ammo.