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Ammunition Question .22 Cal
12/10/06 | Bear_Slayer

Posted on 12/10/2006 10:43:49 AM PST by Bear_Slayer

I've recently begun purchasing bulk .22 ammo and thought that Freeper input would once again be helpful in getting the most bang for my buck.

What do you recommend for .22 caliber ammunition?

What various grain do they come in? What brand of .22 is the most deadly?


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I appreciate your input.
1 posted on 12/10/2006 10:43:51 AM PST by Bear_Slayer
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To: Bear_Slayer

.22 LR ?


2 posted on 12/10/2006 10:45:18 AM PST by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 144:1 Praise be to YHvH, my Rock, who trains my hands for war, my fingers for battle.)
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To: Bear_Slayer

well keep it in the freezer


3 posted on 12/10/2006 10:45:18 AM PST by al baby (Hi mom)
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To: Bear_Slayer
The question and your screen name are humorously ironic. ;o)
4 posted on 12/10/2006 10:45:36 AM PST by IllumiNaughtyByNature (doot...doot...video killed the radio star...doot...doot...)
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To: XeniaSt

I should have specified, but yes long rifle.


5 posted on 12/10/2006 10:46:05 AM PST by Bear_Slayer (When liberty is outlawed only outlaws will have liberty.)
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To: Bear_Slayer

As far as brands and .22's go they are all about the same.LR hollow point do the most damage. You were talking rimfire weren't you?


6 posted on 12/10/2006 10:47:22 AM PST by eastforker (.308 SOCOM 16, hottest brand going.2350 FPS muzlim velocity)
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To: K4Harty
I suppose so. :-)

I vaguely recall an expert big game hunter that hunted with .22 LR only. I can't remember the details of it, but he hunted elephant with it.

7 posted on 12/10/2006 10:47:40 AM PST by Bear_Slayer (When liberty is outlawed only outlaws will have liberty.)
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To: Bear_Slayer
What brand of .22 is the most deadly?

Errhh, 'deadly' and '.22' don't usually go together ;-)

Well, I suppose if we're talking squirrels...

8 posted on 12/10/2006 10:47:45 AM PST by Liberty1970
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To: Bear_Slayer

I must add that remington ammo sucks.


9 posted on 12/10/2006 10:49:07 AM PST by eastforker (.308 SOCOM 16, hottest brand going.2350 FPS muzlim velocity)
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To: Bear_Slayer

Depends on what you want to do with your shooter. I never buy bulk cheap .22 ammo unless it's for the kids to plink with. You don't need to buy match grade ammo, but I'll never know why people strive for accuracy and then buy cheap ammo. What you need to do is to try various ammos and see which runs best in your gun. One gun might like a different ammo than another gun.

Go to http://rimfirecentral.com for a real education on rimfires.


10 posted on 12/10/2006 10:49:19 AM PST by umgud (I love NASCAR as much as the Democrats hate Bush)
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To: Bear_Slayer

You gonna go shoot your spelling teacher?


11 posted on 12/10/2006 10:49:40 AM PST by wtc911 (You can't get there from here)
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To: Bear_Slayer

Virtually all are deadly if you attempt to slay a bear with a .22. Unfortunately it would be deadliest to you.


12 posted on 12/10/2006 10:49:46 AM PST by cripplecreek (Peace without winning is a temporary illusion.)
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To: eastforker

Yes I was asking with regards to rimfire.


13 posted on 12/10/2006 10:50:14 AM PST by Bear_Slayer (When liberty is outlawed only outlaws will have liberty.)
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To: Liberty1970

Are you kidding? You'll shoot your eye out!

but series, the .22 is quite deadly, it just usually takes longer to bleed out.

14 posted on 12/10/2006 10:52:55 AM PST by Bear_Slayer (When liberty is outlawed only outlaws will have liberty.)
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To: umgud

Thanks for the link.


15 posted on 12/10/2006 10:53:43 AM PST by Bear_Slayer (When liberty is outlawed only outlaws will have liberty.)
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To: Bear_Slayer

I use CCI Stinger 32 gr. hp.


16 posted on 12/10/2006 10:53:51 AM PST by Mr. Mojo
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To: wtc911
No.

The spelling police.

17 posted on 12/10/2006 10:54:12 AM PST by Bear_Slayer (When liberty is outlawed only outlaws will have liberty.)
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To: Bear_Slayer

There is a book, "cartridges of the world"- in the sport section of any Barnes and Noble. There you will find all you might ever need on 22LR, 22 short and 22 magnum. 22 is good for plinking, and- if subsonic- for silenced firearms used in animal control. More expensive grades are used in competitions [biathlon, free pistol].


18 posted on 12/10/2006 10:54:30 AM PST by GSlob
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To: Bear_Slayer

Federal seems to clog the action less than some other brands.


19 posted on 12/10/2006 10:55:48 AM PST by RightWhale (RTRA DLQS GSCW)
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To: Bear_Slayer

Elephant? I don't think a .22LR will penetrate an elephant's skin, for crying out loud.


20 posted on 12/10/2006 10:57:23 AM PST by patton (Sanctimony frequently reaps its own reward.)
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To: Bear_Slayer

There is 22 Hornet, which is pretty far from 22 LR, and there are other high velocity 22 or even 17 that others prefer for varmint hunting. Elephant is not usually considered varmint.


21 posted on 12/10/2006 10:58:22 AM PST by RightWhale (RTRA DLQS GSCW)
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To: Bear_Slayer
Actually I heard from an Alaskan guide that the most effective handgun for grizzly defense is a .22 LR. Upon seeing the grizzly charging you draw the pistol and shoot the nearest customer in the knee then run like hell.

I've had good luck with most bulk, name brand .22 lr. Get copper jacketed if it's worth the price to you. Get the hyper sonic or the fastest that you cn get. Match ammo will be more accurate but it's up to your budget.

22 posted on 12/10/2006 11:00:18 AM PST by Eagles6 (Dig deeper, more ammo.)
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To: patton

"Elephant? I don't think a .22LR will penetrate an elephant's skin, for crying out loud."

Calls for an eyeball shot!


23 posted on 12/10/2006 11:01:20 AM PST by dalereed
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To: Bear_Slayer

Self defense

.22 WMR ammunition is not specifically manufactured for self-defense, so you will not find self defense loads in any of the manufacturers' brands listed below. This is because while there are some "deep concealment" handguns (notably the mini-revolvers from North American Arms) that are chambered for the .22 WMR cartridge, no rimfire cartridge is ordinarily recommended for self-defense. The gun makers are giving the customers what they want, while the ammo makers are constrained by the physical reality that no .22 WMR cartridge is a "man stopper."

While no .22 WMR load is really adequate for self-defense, any gun is better than no gun at all. So, if a .22 WMR rifle or pistol is all that is available, it makes sense to at least use the best ammunition available for the purpose. According to the statistics that I have seen, that is the 40 grain jacketed hollow point bullet. The top example is the Winchester Super-X load,

snipped from

http://www.chuckhawks.com/ammo_roundup_22WMR.htm


24 posted on 12/10/2006 11:02:06 AM PST by Vn_survivor_67-68
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To: GSlob
22 is good for plinking, and- if subsonic

Aguila Ammo makes a 60 grain sub sonic .22

Are you familiar with the company or the ammo?

25 posted on 12/10/2006 11:04:53 AM PST by Bear_Slayer (When liberty is outlawed only outlaws will have liberty.)
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To: dalereed

...talked about a pissed-off elephant...


26 posted on 12/10/2006 11:04:58 AM PST by patton (Sanctimony frequently reaps its own reward.)
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To: Bear_Slayer
What brand of .22 is the most deadly?

Ballistics for a wide range of cartridges, including .22 MAG.
27 posted on 12/10/2006 11:05:44 AM PST by caveat emptor
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To: Bear_Slayer; All

"I once shot an Elephant in my pajamas.
How he got into my pajamas I'll never know."


28 posted on 12/10/2006 11:07:03 AM PST by Gideon Reader ("The quiet gentleman sitting in the corner sipping Kenya AA today.)
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To: patton
After running out of ammo I instructed my faithfull guide Haji to distract the beast.The enraged beast was pounding Haji against the nearest tree and I chose that moment to leap upon his heaving back. I then held the gun over my head and with a mighty heave, I drove the barrel of the weapon into the elephants heart killing him dead.

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29 posted on 12/10/2006 11:07:36 AM PST by cripplecreek (Peace without winning is a temporary illusion.)
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To: Bear_Slayer

.22 LR is great for protecting your family from squirrels and other small rodents.


30 posted on 12/10/2006 11:07:51 AM PST by CaliGangsta
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To: Bear_Slayer

Paint me a bigoted Neanderthal, but I would prefer my ammo, if it has to be imported, made in Central or Northern Europe.


31 posted on 12/10/2006 11:08:36 AM PST by GSlob
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To: CaliGangsta
I bet if I put one in your head (academically speaking) at 100 yrds you would be thinking different?

Plus, more people own a .22LR then any other caliber. .22 can be bought in bulk and, in a shtf scenario, traded 1 at a time or by handful to the hungry soul.

32 posted on 12/10/2006 11:11:38 AM PST by Bear_Slayer (When liberty is outlawed only outlaws will have liberty.)
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To: Bear_Slayer

That would be an interesting story to read, if you think of it let me know.


33 posted on 12/10/2006 11:16:00 AM PST by IllumiNaughtyByNature (doot...doot...video killed the radio star...doot...doot...)
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To: cripplecreek

LOLOLOL


34 posted on 12/10/2006 11:16:20 AM PST by patton (Sanctimony frequently reaps its own reward.)
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To: Bear_Slayer
.22's a great - I own a bunch of them, and I have so much .22LR that I keep finding it all over the place. LOL. Literally, thousands and thousands of rounds, in the house, the studio, the car, ... seems like I never can find it when I need it.

But - that 100-yrd shot would likely bounce off the victims head, you know.

35 posted on 12/10/2006 11:19:56 AM PST by patton (Sanctimony frequently reaps its own reward.)
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To: Bear_Slayer
CCI is the best, Remington the worst. Aguila ( made in Mexico) are the fastest with their 30 grain HP. They likely would be the most powerful, but they are uncoated and tend to lead the barrel more.

A buddy of mine bought a box of everything that is locally available and tested them all on a chronograph. The CCI varied just a few FPS from shot to shot and were as fast or faster than most popular brands.

The Remingtons were total garbage and varied up to 200FPS from shot to shot.

The others fell somewhere in between.

Don't buy the cheapo bulk in milk cartons. They are always bottom of the line.

I prefer CCI mini mag HP for squirrels but would likely use the Aguila for raccoon.
36 posted on 12/10/2006 11:21:25 AM PST by Beagle8U
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To: cripplecreek; All
I beseech you. Beware your faithful guide "Haji".
He may have been schooled in an extremist madrassa, or barring that any publicly funded school in the UK and be an Al Queada sleeper agent. (Not as funny as I intended :~( )
37 posted on 12/10/2006 11:21:57 AM PST by Gideon Reader ("The quiet gentleman sitting in the corner sipping Kenya AA today.)
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To: Bear_Slayer

CCI Stingers have always been my favorite.


38 posted on 12/10/2006 11:22:43 AM PST by Bloody Sam Roberts (The way that you wander is the way that you choose. The day that you tarry is the day that you lose.)
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To: Eagles6
Actually I heard from an Alaskan guide that the most effective handgun for grizzly defense is a .22 LR. Upon seeing the grizzly charging you draw the pistol and shoot the nearest customer in the knee then run like hell.

ROTFLOL!

39 posted on 12/10/2006 11:23:06 AM PST by mwyounce
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To: Beagle8U
Aguila ( made in Mexico) are the fastest with their 30 grain HP. They likely would be the most powerful, but they are uncoated and tend to lead the barrel more.

Did you mean the 60 grain?

I agree that the lead fouling would be an issue.

40 posted on 12/10/2006 11:23:49 AM PST by Bear_Slayer (When liberty is outlawed only outlaws will have liberty.)
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To: Gideon Reader
...How he got into my pajamas I'll never know."

"So we tried to remove his tusks but they wouldn't budge.
We had to take him to Alabama...where the Tuscaloosa."

41 posted on 12/10/2006 11:25:06 AM PST by Bloody Sam Roberts (The way that you wander is the way that you choose. The day that you tarry is the day that you lose.)
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To: Bear_Slayer

It is often said that .22's have killed more people than any other caliber. They may not stop a person determined to do you harm, but they may eventually kill them. Israeli execution teams used .22's after Munich.

How deadly depends on what you are hoping to kill. The smaller the varmint, the lighter the bullet. Hollowpoints are deadly but they make a mess of the meat. For larger varmints the Aguila Sniper Subsonic, which I have used, does nicely IF you are a darn good shot (head or other vital organ). The heavier bullet penetrates better -- but only if shot from a rifle (a revolver does not due justice to any .22 LR).

If you are set on .22LR, then the above suffices. If you want a .22 rimfire (especially if your local, state or other government has rules or regulations against centerfire), then the .22 magnum (WMR) is the best way to go. There have been lots of poachers of deer which have used .22 magnums because they are quiet. But they're not as quiet as .22 Sniper Subsonics. Close stalking and acccurate shot placement are crucial. If you're good at those skills then maybe archery would be the way to go (but you can't stuff a bow in a holster under a jacket).


42 posted on 12/10/2006 11:29:18 AM PST by Solitar ("My aim is not to pass laws, but to repeal them." -- Barry Goldwater)
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To: cripplecreek

.... quite.


43 posted on 12/10/2006 11:30:18 AM PST by P8riot (I carry a gun because I can't carry a cop.)
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To: Solitar
Thanks I appreciate the info on the 60 grain sub sonic

That looks to be where I will concentrate my purchases.

44 posted on 12/10/2006 11:31:20 AM PST by Bear_Slayer (When liberty is outlawed only outlaws will have liberty.)
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To: Bloody Sam Roberts; All

I dont think I want to be a member of any club that would have me for a member. :~)

Their like we will never see again.


45 posted on 12/10/2006 11:32:34 AM PST by Gideon Reader ("The quiet gentleman sitting in the corner sipping Kenya AA today.)
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To: Bear_Slayer
I mostly use Federal ammo 22LR buy it by the (brick 550 rds)
I remember when I was a kid we used to get it by the (sleve 700rds per box)
any way I love going out side in my back yard either with my rifle or pistol, with my kids and just shoot. We set up targets and have a day.

WHen I was a kid I remember going to my aunts farm in upstate NY and shoot woodchucks with 22's. Really never used it for much more than that. just a lot of (CHEAP) fun.

When I was about 18 or so myself and some friends wanted to go bear hunting in Montanna so I bought a Marlin 45/70 lever action. I just didn't think the 22 would do.

46 posted on 12/10/2006 11:33:02 AM PST by Gone_Postal (There's plenty of room for all God's creatures..right next to the mashed potatoes)
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To: Bear_Slayer
NO. They make the 60 grain sub-sonic but they also make a 30 grain hp that is the fastest 22 LR made.
47 posted on 12/10/2006 11:39:06 AM PST by Beagle8U
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To: Bear_Slayer
I vaguely recall an expert big game hunter that hunted with .22 LR only. I can't remember the details of it, but he hunted elephant with it.

The smallest caliber I know of that was used by a professional elephant hunter was the 7 mm mauser, or the 7X57, used by "karamojo" Bell, and only when stalking in close and taking head shots with solids. Even he abandoned that one after several near deaths on his part and moved up to larger calibers.

48 posted on 12/10/2006 12:11:33 PM PST by calex59
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To: Bear_Slayer
I vaguely recall an expert big game hunter that hunted with .22 LR only. I can't remember the details of it, but he hunted elephant with it.

I vaguely remember that too, but it was one of the CF .22s; .22 Savage Hi-power, maybe? It must be forty years since I read it.

49 posted on 12/10/2006 12:15:22 PM PST by Grut
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To: Mr. Mojo

Another vote for CCI Stingers and they are accurate.


50 posted on 12/10/2006 12:16:14 PM PST by mcshot ("If it ain't broke it doesn't have enough features." paraphrased anon.)
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