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Boy threatened after cannon accident
Washington Times ^ | 12-20-06 | UPI

Posted on 12/20/2006 11:34:44 AM PST by JZelle

Community members have threatened a Snohomish, Wash., boy who nearly lost his leg when a cannon exploded at a football game.

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These people are disgusting.
1 posted on 12/20/2006 11:34:45 AM PST by JZelle
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Like, I'm sure the kid made the thing explode intentionally. People are nuts..
2 posted on 12/20/2006 11:36:38 AM PST by b4its2late (Liberalism is a hollow log and a mental disorder.)
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To: JZelle
?
Looking forward to an update.
3 posted on 12/20/2006 11:38:37 AM PST by kinoxi
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To: JZelle

Whinington State Liberal tolerance. Can't you just feel the love?............


4 posted on 12/20/2006 11:40:55 AM PST by Red Badger (New! HeadOn Hemorrhoid Medication for Liberals!.........Apply directly to forehead.........)
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While he was recovering in the hospital, Karch received visits and calls from parents and students threatening him with physical harm

Visit and threaten one of my kids while they're in the hospital and you'll be getting your own room as well.

5 posted on 12/20/2006 11:41:01 AM PST by Sax
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To: Sax

A public flogging, and perhaps a few days in the pillory seems appropriate for the mutts threatening this young man.


6 posted on 12/20/2006 11:42:05 AM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilisation is aborting, buggering, and contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: JZelle

Traditions are important. At UGA, they ring the bell at the chapel.


7 posted on 12/20/2006 11:43:11 AM PST by SittinYonder (Ic ■Št gehate, ■Št ic heonon nelle fleon fotes trym, ac wille fur­or gan)
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To: JZelle
These people are disgusting.

Don't you know that rah rah rites are sacred? What's a kid's leg in the face of a pep rally tradition?

8 posted on 12/20/2006 11:43:28 AM PST by LexBaird (98% satisfaction guaranteed. There's just no pleasing some people.)
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To: b4its2late

Kind of reminds me of the Texas A&M bonfire tragedy of 1999. There were no death threats, but a lot of Aggies and alums wanted the tradition to continue even though 12 students lost their lives when the logs collapsed. For some, tradition outweighs everything.


9 posted on 12/20/2006 11:44:06 AM PST by Sans-Culotte ("Thanks, Tom DeLay, for practically giving me your seat"-Nick Lampson)
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To: JZelle

For the type of people with nothing between their ears but air it seems they value football tradition more than the well being of their students, pretty pathetic.


10 posted on 12/20/2006 11:44:28 AM PST by jazusamo (http://warchronicle.com/TheyAreNotKillers/DefendOurMarines.htm)
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To: SittinYonder

And how does the importance of tradition (firing the cannon in this case) justify this kid getting death threats?


11 posted on 12/20/2006 11:46:20 AM PST by indcons
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To: jazusamo
For the type of people with nothing between their ears but air it seems they value football tradition more than the well being of their students, pretty pathetic.

Spectator sports are the opiate of the masses.

12 posted on 12/20/2006 11:46:51 AM PST by LexBaird (98% satisfaction guaranteed. There's just no pleasing some people.)
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To: JZelle

These people might just be one nutcase harassing the kid. It's still sickening that there are so many idiots in this world.


13 posted on 12/20/2006 11:47:07 AM PST by digitalbrownshirt (http://digitalbrownshirt.blogspot.com)
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To: ArrogantBustard

AAAh Washington, believe it was named for our first President, how soon they forget, especially when you allow Oregon to be your mentor. Of course with ample apologies to freepers forced to live in those two states. Loved, Spokaloo, but in less than one year the AF said go so I went, chose Spokane again, but less than a year later the AF said go, I went, but not before I took it as a sign that I'd better not come back.


14 posted on 12/20/2006 11:47:47 AM PST by wita (truthspeaks@freerepublic.com)
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To: Sans-Culotte
Kind of reminds me of the Texas A&M bonfire tragedy of 1999. There were no death threats, but a lot of Aggies and alums wanted the tradition to continue even though 12 students lost their lives when the logs collapsed. For some, tradition outweighs everything.

Just FYI, most of the families of the Aggies who were killed, wanted the tradition to continue.

15 posted on 12/20/2006 11:48:07 AM PST by The_Victor (If all I want is a warm feeling, I should just wet my pants.)
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I missed the part about visitors threatening him. My mistake. Why haven't the visitors that threatened him been arrested?


16 posted on 12/20/2006 11:48:47 AM PST by digitalbrownshirt (http://digitalbrownshirt.blogspot.com)
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To: JZelle

The school should IMMEDIATELY suspend the use of the canon until an investigation and RCA is performed and the proper measures imployed to prevent another such accident.


18 posted on 12/20/2006 11:51:10 AM PST by UpAllNight
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To: JZelle

People are reaching the point of no negotiation. I love it. We're nearly ready...


19 posted on 12/20/2006 11:52:19 AM PST by MeneMeneTekelUpharsin (Freedom is the freedom to discipline yourself so others don't have to do it for you.)
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To: JZelle

Incredible! Nothing like compassion and concern for this kid from the enlightened left coast...


20 posted on 12/20/2006 11:52:55 AM PST by WKUHilltopper
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To: digitalbrownshirt

Police said an investigation into the threats is ongoing.


21 posted on 12/20/2006 11:53:07 AM PST by gcruse (http://garycruse.blogspot.com/)
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To: JZelle

Not that big a deal - have one of those jerk parents fire it off from now on. (but make 'em sign a liability release first. Weasels like that turn quickly when it's about them)


22 posted on 12/20/2006 11:55:43 AM PST by 70times7 (Sense... some don't make any, some don't have any - or so the former would appear to the latter.)
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To: Sans-Culotte
Kind of reminds me of the Texas A&M bonfire tragedy of 1999. There were no death threats, but a lot of Aggies and alums wanted the tradition to continue even though 12 students lost their lives when the logs collapsed. For some, tradition outweighs everything.

Absolutely nothing in common.  I knew one of the kids killed in that tragedy.  He was a friend of my children and was in the scout troop my wife ran, so please don't go there.  He would have wanted it to go on.  It's about community.

The spirit involved in continuing the A&M bonfire is much more akin to the emotions and issues in Matthew McConaughey 's We Are Marshall

23 posted on 12/20/2006 11:59:09 AM PST by Phsstpok (Often wrong, but never in doubt)
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To: JZelle
Police said an investigation into the threats is ongoing.

I'd hold for that version of the story before flying of the handle on this one.

24 posted on 12/20/2006 12:03:28 PM PST by TankerKC (When I think about me, I touch myself.)
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To: Phsstpok
I said it "kind of reminded" me of the bonfire in that so many wanted the tradition to coninue in spite of the many deaths. I never said "it was exactly the same".

It matters not to me if all the families of the dead support the traditon. I just don't think traditions like a bonfire (or shooting a cannon) are worth losing lives. That's just my opinion, not meant as an insult to you or the memory of the student you knew, so don't even try to make it into that.

25 posted on 12/20/2006 12:09:52 PM PST by Sans-Culotte ("Thanks, Tom DeLay, for practically giving me your seat"-Nick Lampson)
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To: kinoxi
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Looking forward to an update.

Here is an article that has a lot more details.

Boy hurt by cannon blast feels twice wounded
Accident in football town elicited threats, not get-well wishes

SNOHOMISH -- The cannon shot that ripped into Brett Karch's leg, causing a gaping combat-style wound, has also torn a hole in his hometown community of Snohomish.

Karch, whose leg was nearly amputated and who faces more than a year of physical rehabilitation with an uncertain outcome, has been the target of physical threats because of fears his injury will jeopardize the community's tradition of firing the ceremonial cannon before each high school football game and after touchdowns.

For more than 30 years, the blast of the cherry-red cannon has ignited the roars of fans whenever the home team scored in this football-proud town. With its tree-lined streets, gingerbread-trimmed Victorian houses and hills crested with historic churches, the town is devoted to its traditions, including its beloved cannon, which students in the school's metal shop built after a previous cannon gave out in the mid-1980s.

Football and the cannon were entwined, like popcorn at the movies. And football and Snohomish were even more so.

"Football is a huge part of the community," said Paula McVey, mother of a Snohomish student. "When there's a game on, you can hear it going from anywhere in town."

Shooting off the cannon was the town's salute to the game that launched many notable football careers and entertained generations.

But the shot that nearly took off Brett Karch's leg now leaves the fate of that tradition in the air, and that has upset some in the community.

According to Karch's medical records, security guards notified police after Karch received disturbing phone calls and visits from parents and students, some of whom threatened to "break his other leg" or worse, if he didn't keep quiet about the accident. Hospital staff had to move him to a secure room where they monitored visitors.

Callers and visitors told Karch they would "make sure his other leg got blown off," and that "there would be retaliation" if the family cooperated in an investigation that could end the cannon tradition, said Mary Bissel, Karch's mother. "That's when I kind of got a little upset," Karch said.

The threats also included mention the family would be "banned from the town," Bissell said. She's been warned not to talk to a lawyer, or reporters.

The allegations of threats, as well as the cause of the accident, remain under investigation. Hospital security reported the threats to the Everett Police Department, but police, who came to the hospital to interview Karch and his mother, won't release the incident report, citing the open investigation into the cause of the accident.

Tradition all but gone

The tradition of firing a cannon at football games has all but disappeared in most school districts, which makes this one that much more endearing to its community.

"This one was grandfathered in," said retired Marine Corps. Col. John Mack, who heads the Marine Corps Junior Reserve Officer Training unit at Snohomish High School and is in charge of the squad that fires the cannon. "We're the only school allowed to do it."

Being on the cannon-firing squad was a source of pride for Karch, who joined the ROTC unit last year to help him toward his longtime goal of becoming a Marine. Karch, a lanky, personable 16-year-old, had hoped to do Special Forces reconnaissance work one day.

"Brett wanted to serve his country," said Bissel. "Now we're just hoping he will be able to use his leg. I never imagined this would happen on a football field."

On Oct. 6 -- the night of the Snohomish Panthers big homecoming game against rival Everett High School -- Karch prepared as usual for the firing of the cannon.

He helped roll the coffee table-sized artillery piece to the field where he and two other cadets packed the barrel with about 5 ounces of gunpowder.

With 10 seconds to go before the game, Cadet Alex Brown, 18, the officer in charge of the firing team, began the countdown.

The other cadets stood at attention except Karch, who leaned in, finger at the ready.

"Fire," Brown commanded. Karch pulled the trigger.

The boom, which normally rattled the bleachers, was louder than usual, witnesses said.

The concussion temporarily deafened Brown, who couldn't see through the smoke for several seconds. When the smoke cleared, he saw Karch lying on the ground clutching his left leg.

"I almost thought he was joking, and I going to yell at him, 'It's not funny,' " said Brown. Then he heard Karch's screams.

The cannon was blown apart. Pieces of it landed 30 feet away, some even touching down in the end zone.

"My leg went flying, and I fell on my right side," said Karch. "Kids were staggering around. I looked at my leg and felt it burning."

"Did it blow my leg off, is my leg still attached?" he recalled asking the closest cadet to him. But the deafened student couldn't hear him.

Within seconds, medics and senior officers sprinted to his side. The team of emergency medical technicians standing by in the event of a football injury rushed Karch into a waiting ambulance. The priority on the playing field, however, was the game, which didn't stop as Karch was carried off the sidelines to an ambulance, witnesses said.

Not much can stop football in this town, where the pride runs deep. The two-time state champions have generated many notable players and coaches over the years. Dick Armstrong was known as the "winningest coach in Washington state high school football history" by the time he retired in 1994. In his 32 seasons as head coach at Snohomish, Armstrong, who died in 1999, racked up 243 wins and won or shared 16 league titles, including 13 in a row.

As play continued, Karch was taken to Providence Everett's Colby Campus, where doctors initially told his stunned mother they weren't sure they could save his leg. Karch has since undergone three surgeries to implant a titanium rod the length of his shin to replace the decimated bone and to graft skin over the shredded tissue. In February, doctors plan to graft bone from his hip into his leg to help it heal.

"My leg was in so many pieces, it was like a jigsaw puzzle," said Karch.

"If this had happened to a football player, you can be sure he would have been airlifted to Harborview," said one parent of a ROTC member, who asked not to be named for fear of reprisals.

Brown, too, was shocked and later angered by the apparent lack of concern for the seriousness of Karch's injury.

Rumors circulated almost immediately among students that Karch must have packed the cannon incorrectly, and some of the cards and comments have suggested that he deserved what happened to him. Karch said he didn't do anything different that night, a view shared by his ROTC leader Mack, the retired Marine Corps colonel, who said the team follows military protocols for loading and firing the cannon.

Mack had the cannon X-rayed earlier this year. Fred Langer, an attorney representing the family, said those results showed a stress fracture in the metal, although it's not clear yet whether that had any bearing on the explosion.

No decision has been made yet about whether to acquire a new cannon to ensure the tradition continues, said Snohomish High School Principal Diana Plumis. "We're certainly not getting that one back," she said. "It was obliterated."

No friends at party

That's what seems to worry many of those who have contacted Karch, who has gotten cards indicating the tradition of the cannon is too important to lose.

"Football wouldn't be the same without the big boom at kickoff," wrote one student in a get-well card.

The reaction of some community members has taken the family and its supporters aback.

"Snohomish is usually a pretty tight community," Brown said. "Usually when something like this happens, groups come together. But that didn't happen this time."

Since his discharge from the hospital on Oct. 23, Karch has had only three visitors -- two of them Mack and Brown. And despite invitations to school friends, not a single person other than family attended his 16th birthday celebration in November, Bissell said.

Bissel suspects some of the reaction may be because she retained a lawyer to help her understand legal forms the school district asked her to sign after the accident. She has not filed any legal claims against the school or the district. According to Langer, the school district has been cooperative and has said it plans to establish a fund to pay for Karch's medical expenses.

What Bissel wants for her son, though, is the emotional support of the community they've lived in for a decade.

On a recent school day afternoon, Karch, who has not been able to attend regular classes since the accident, rode past his old school in a cabulance on his way to an Everett clinic for a weekly changing of the thick dressings that wrap his wounds. Kids had spilled out of the school, and he tried to wave to Brown, who drove by.

Karch said later he wondered whether the kids milling around even realized that he was in the ambulance van going by.

The persistent hostility, and loss of friendships, make him sad, but he's trying not to dwell on it. He's working hard during weekly physical and occupational therapy sessions, hoping to regain enough function to qualify for the military.

McVey has tried rallying support for Karch's family by raising money for dinners. Her initial attempts raised $200, nearly all of it coming from schools other than Karch's own.

The lack of response still puzzles her.

"You have a kid here who's lost part of his leg, who may always have a rod in it," she said. "Where's the compassion? How would these guys feel if it were their son? Would the cannon really matter?"

26 posted on 12/20/2006 12:16:28 PM PST by DumpsterDiver
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To: Sans-Culotte

1) "Kinda," as you put it, is a synonym for "sorta" and "not exactly." Actually, there's no parallel at all between the two situations in any way.
2) You exhibit a dearth of knowledge as far as A&M bonfires go.


27 posted on 12/20/2006 12:18:47 PM PST by Clara Lou
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To: DumpsterDiver

Thanks for posting that. I was going to, but my stupid internet connection is acting up and I gave up.

The kid appears to have been ostracized. I wonder how much of it is due to his membership in the ROTC.

Heck, they didn't even stop the game while he was being tended to. Unbelievable. But, I guess not in this day and age.


28 posted on 12/20/2006 12:19:42 PM PST by kenth (I wish compassionate conservatives were more compassionate to conservatism.)
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To: DumpsterDiver
the town is devoted to its traditions, including its beloved cannon, which students in the school's metal shop built after a previous cannon gave out in the mid-1980s.

The locals are incapable of handling this IMO. They (kids) built the cannon???
29 posted on 12/20/2006 12:22:45 PM PST by kinoxi
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To: Sans-Culotte
I just don't think traditions like a bonfire (or shooting a cannon) are worth losing lives

While losing lives does suck, how about finding solutions to the problem, andcontinuing tradition.

I went to a school with deep tradition, and it's about hte only thing that makes one school better than the other.

30 posted on 12/20/2006 12:26:51 PM PST by Fierce Allegiance (Merry Christmas! SAY NO TO RUDY!)
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To: DumpsterDiver

It is Washington State. Maybe it's their innate hatred of all things military that's driving this.


31 posted on 12/20/2006 12:27:19 PM PST by JZelle
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Wow. They kept playing the game, even though this kid almost died.

What a worthless community.

32 posted on 12/20/2006 12:40:02 PM PST by wideawake (1)
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"Wow. They kept playing the game, even though this kid almost died.
What a worthless community."

Exactly! They don't deserve football, a cannon, or an ROTC detachment. Hell, break up the school and sell it for scrap. I've never heard of such a thing.
33 posted on 12/20/2006 12:53:53 PM PST by Brucifer (JF'n Kerry- "That's not just a paper cut, it's a Purple Heart!")
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To: John Williams

I was wondering the same . You would think the police would be guarding him if he has been threatened. If the family is going to cooperate with an investigation then there must be more to this. If it was just an accident then why all the threats? Why a cannon needs to be used anyway is beyond me. Seems dangerous to me and it was as this child was hurt. If people were threatening my child I would press charges and there would be an investigation into why they were threatening him. And I would move from a place like that town.


34 posted on 12/20/2006 12:57:11 PM PST by pandoraou812 ( zero tolerance and dilligaf?)
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To: DumpsterDiver
he and two other cadets packed the barrel with about 5 ounces of gunpowder

That is a LOT of Powder!

35 posted on 12/20/2006 1:13:21 PM PST by Species8472 (We will never forget !)
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To: JZelle; Republicanprofessor; wagglebee; little jeremiah; DaveLoneRanger

Seattle=Washington=loony liberal heaven=guns are BAD

Aren't cannons simply really BIG guns? So what are they doing firing them on school grounds anyway? Shouldn't someone at that school confiscate it and suspend the last 20 people who may have touched it? I'm surprised that they didn't jail the poor kid for discharging a firearm on school property.


36 posted on 12/20/2006 2:12:15 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: DumpsterDiver

"Mack had the cannon X-rayed earlier this year. Fred Langer, an attorney representing the family, said those results showed a stress fracture in the metal, although it's not clear yet whether that had any bearing on the explosion."

Well this kinda' jumped out at me. What's the point of an Xray if you ignore the stress fracture?


37 posted on 12/20/2006 2:14:00 PM PST by Locomotive Breath (In the shuffling madness)
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To: DaveLoneRanger; 2Jedismom; Aggie Mama; agrace; Antoninus; arbooz; bboop; blu; cgk; ...

Due to a difficult family situation, Tired of Taxes as asked me to temporarily assume the "Another Reason to Homeschool" ping list duties. If you want on or off the ping list, or if you see any ping worthy articles, please let me know.


38 posted on 12/20/2006 2:18:20 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: metmom

Thanks for taking up the AR2H ping list, Metmom!

What an astounding story.


39 posted on 12/20/2006 2:25:01 PM PST by 2Jedismom (http://kimsbug.blogspot.com/)
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To: metmom; Tired of Taxes

Gotcha metmom! Hope things straighten out for you, Tired!!


40 posted on 12/20/2006 2:32:19 PM PST by StarCMC (After the attacks of 9/11, profiling Muslims is more like profiling the Klan. - Ann Coulter)
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To: The_Victor; Sans-Culotte
Just FYI, most of the families of the Aggies who were killed, wanted the tradition to continue.

The original worshippers of Moloch wanted the tradition of passing their children through the fire to continue, too, no matter what "those uppity Hebrews" had to say about it.

41 posted on 12/20/2006 3:50:55 PM PST by ApplegateRanch (Islam: a Satanically Transmitted Disease, spread by unprotected intimate contact with the Koranus.)
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To: Fierce Allegiance
I went to a school with deep tradition, and it's about hte only thing that makes one school better than the other

Right. Caliber of teaching staff; number of Nobel laureates with professorships; rigorousness of the curricula; how many bullets one must sweat to pass courses, are all secondary. It is tradition that counts.

42 posted on 12/20/2006 3:57:41 PM PST by ApplegateRanch (Islam: a Satanically Transmitted Disease, spread by unprotected intimate contact with the Koranus.)
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To: DumpsterDiver
"Football wouldn't be the same without the big boom at kickoff," wrote one student in a get-well card.

These people are acting like a pack of Neanderthals.

"Ooooh...we like big boom-boom."
"What happen to big boom-boom?"
"That kid make big boom-boom go 'way."
"We are sad. We should make nasty on kid who make big boom-boom go 'way."

This family should move the hell out of this Twilight Zone town.

43 posted on 12/20/2006 4:19:58 PM PST by Bloody Sam Roberts (This is my tagline. There are many like it but this one is mine.)
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To: Bloody Sam Roberts
This family should move the hell out of this Twilight Zone town.

The whole thing is rather surreal, isn't it. Very weird people.

44 posted on 12/20/2006 4:25:45 PM PST by DumpsterDiver
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To: metmom
the "Another Reason to Homeschool" ping list

My sympathies and best wishes to Tired of Taxes and family, but....

What part of this story would you say screams out as Another Reason to Homeschool?
The fact that the game took place at a high school facility?

"...the school district has been cooperative and has said it plans to establish a fund to pay for Karch's medical expenses."

Yeah...that would send me running away screaming and looking for alternate education avenues for my kids.

45 posted on 12/20/2006 4:26:40 PM PST by Bloody Sam Roberts (This is my tagline. There are many like it but this one is mine.)
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To: LexBaird

That's such a great line, I made it my tagline.


46 posted on 12/20/2006 4:40:29 PM PST by Clintonfatigued (Spectator sports are the opiate of the masses.)
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To: Clintonfatigued

Welcome to it. It sure worked for the Romans for centuries.


47 posted on 12/20/2006 5:18:29 PM PST by LexBaird (98% satisfaction guaranteed. There's just no pleasing some people.)
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To: Brucifer

Completely agree with you, and I will be badmouthing
Sno HO mish at every opportunity.


48 posted on 12/20/2006 6:33:02 PM PST by aspen64 (Release the hounds!!)
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To: Bloody Sam Roberts
My understanding is that it's to ping homeschoolers to public school happenings to keep them abreast of what's going on.

What part of this story would you say screams out as Another Reason to Homeschool?

Probably this part:While he was recovering in the hospital, Karch received visits and calls from parents and students threatening him with physical harm if the accident results in an end to the tradition of firing a cannon at the school's football games.

49 posted on 12/20/2006 6:42:13 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: JZelle
Mary Bissel, Karch's mother, said her son was told "there would be retaliation" if the family cooperates with an investigation into the incident and callers told the boy they would "make sure his other leg got blown off." ( from the article)
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Is this the wonderful "socialization" that homeschoolers are missing?
50 posted on 12/20/2006 7:08:45 PM PST by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are not stupid)
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