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Ben Ownby and family appear on 'Today' show; Captor threatened Hornbeck's family
Ben Ownby and family appear on 'Today' show | 1/16/2007 | Ben Ownby and family appear on 'Today' show

Posted on 01/16/2007 11:28:48 AM PST by keats5

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To: keats5
It seems a lot of people forget that when this child, Shawn, was abducted while riding his bike, he was only 11 years old. I really get angry when people somehow insinuate he was, complicit, in the fate that was foisted upon him. Whatever the scum captor used on him, it worked. This child was robbed of his parents and a normal life. It is idiotic and sick to somehow blame him for the abuse he was subjected to. I raised 3 boys. An 11 year old is still just a child.
21 posted on 01/16/2007 12:49:48 PM PST by dforest (Liberals love crisis, create crisis and then dwell on them.)
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To: panthermom

Sometimes O'reilly is a big jackass.

I wonder how he would feel if it was his little girl who was kidnapped?


22 posted on 01/16/2007 12:50:19 PM PST by Palladin (A woman's womb should be a no-kill shelter.)
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To: RobbyS

Its not the "homosexuality".

It, (mind control manipulation of shame and guilt), is the same in any situation where someone, especially a minor, is forced, even just psychologically, into active submission to the demands of their predator-captor.

In this case the sicko liked boys, in others (like the Mormom girl a few years back) the predator likes little girls. The behaviors of the predators and the pschological brutality suffered by the victims is the same, regardless of sexuality.


23 posted on 01/16/2007 12:51:38 PM PST by Wuli
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To: Wuli

Of course it is the "homosexuality." because regardless of the propoganda, homosexuality is not what the average parent wants for his child. A girl subjected to the same captivity is tainted goods. For a boy, the stain is deeper.


24 posted on 01/16/2007 12:59:47 PM PST by RobbyS ( CHIRHO)
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To: panthermom
I have to agree, I turned it off at that point. O'Reilly can be such an bloviating jackanapes popinjay. I'm trying to be polite.
25 posted on 01/16/2007 1:25:08 PM PST by Constitutions Grandchild
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To: RobbyS

I think you are right...I think shame does enter in as well. O'Reilly's an ass. Is he suggesting that this poor kid prefered to be abused???? He sounds like NAMBLA!!!!If the poor boy did not leave his abductor, no doubt it was a combination of first thinking that he and his parents would be killed, shame that abused children often feel and no doubt thinking he could never go back...


26 posted on 01/16/2007 1:30:37 PM PST by t2buckeye
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To: RobbyS

I'm trying to figure out your point when you say " A girl subjected to the same captivity is tainted goods. For a boy, the stain is deeper."


27 posted on 01/16/2007 1:38:18 PM PST by dmz
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To: keats5; beaversmom
Although Devlin had several traffic tickets and was sued in 1999 over four years worth of unpaid state taxes, investigators have found nothing that would have put him on their radar.

Okay, when I checked this story on FR a few days ago the word was this guy was a convicted sex offender. Who came up with that?! (Note: I'm not saying he isn't one but apparently he has never been convicted of being one in the past.)

28 posted on 01/16/2007 1:43:21 PM PST by TXBubba ( Democrats: If they don't abort you then they will tax you to death.)
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To: dmz

Each has been shamed and people don't forget that. But a girl of that age who has been a "love slave" is not looked upon the way that a boy who has been. The latter has been more humiliated, unmanned so to speak.


29 posted on 01/16/2007 1:48:24 PM PST by RobbyS ( CHIRHO)
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To: TXBubba

There are TWO Michael Devlins; both of which are perverts but the other one was a convicted pervert.


30 posted on 01/16/2007 1:52:22 PM PST by spacejunkie
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To: TXBubba

A guy in Utah with the same name who IS a sex offender...but not the same guy.


31 posted on 01/16/2007 1:58:37 PM PST by Knitting A Conundrum (Act Justly, Love Mercy, and Walk Humbly With God Micah 6:8)
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To: TXBubba

Ditto on the other replies to you. I think it was on the thread you pinged me to the other day. They tracked down another Michael Devlin but it turned out to be some other guy, same age, in Utah that was convicted for sexual offenses.


32 posted on 01/16/2007 2:32:58 PM PST by beaversmom
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To: RobbyS
You're right. This kid may have wanted to see his parents again, but now his worst fear has come true. He's on national news every night and the whole world now knows he's been sexually abused for years by an old fat homo.

I have teen aged sons. They're routinely embarrassed by a lot of stuff I wouldn't even worry about.

This is not Shawn's fault, but it's still a deep shame.
33 posted on 01/16/2007 3:02:42 PM PST by keats5 (tolerance of intolerant people is cultural suicide)
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To: RobbyS

The "stain" while manifested in different ways is the same - it is the manipulated creation of guilt and shame egendered into the victim by the predator and the predators actions, in which they achieved the victims cooperation. The predator's sexual preferences of their victims does not change the psychology of what happens to the victim.

Are the resulting coping-problems different? Yes. They are different, mostly by degree.

In general, victims in heterosexual situations have an easier time opening up to others about what happened, and thus make more progress in undoing what happened to them; because the stigma placed on them for the sex implies less "shame", even if their own manipulated feelings of guilt are not any less.

However, in heterosexual-predator situations boys who have passed puberty often fair better than young girls just passed puberty, for the reverse-side of the reason stated above - they often feel less shame than a girl in a similar heterosexual situation; even when they do not feel any less guilty.

In either case, these are, like rape, situations where it is power and control the predator needs and seeks and sex is not for "sex" but part of the means and the ultimate expression of that power and control. The sexual predator is a sexual predator, because of, just like a rapist, their need to control, regardless of sexuality.


34 posted on 01/16/2007 3:10:35 PM PST by Wuli
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To: Wuli

Well, the boy might feel like a guy in prison in similar circumstances. He goes along but does not consent. A problem here is that the kid was taken four years ago, before puberty. How is he going to relate to girls since he has been treated more or less like a girl for all that time? People are, of couse, hard to predict. Hopefully this kid's will was never broken despirte all. I know of one ex-military family where mom and dad were barflies and totally feckless. The son became in effect the parent, did well in school. He went into the service himself and became a highranking enlisted, whereas his dad had barely kept his third stripe.


35 posted on 01/16/2007 3:28:56 PM PST by RobbyS ( CHIRHO)
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To: RobbyS

This goes beyond what a parent thinks about homosexuality, this boy was in all likelihood molested. You get a sexual predator who will twist things around to make it seem like it is all your fault and you actually like it, and now they've made you gay. They know that a young boy who would not normally have homosexual relations be mortally humiliated by the fact that he did, even though it is rape. I believe most boys would much rather either die or submit to staying a prisoner than to have the secret out.

Right now there is a serial rapist in Texas that is targeting men, from what I've read, this rapist is not picking men up in gay bars but following them and attacking them. Very few have come forward, LE is concerned that there are many more victims out there but because it is homosexual rape the men will not come forward. Now if a grown man will keep silent think of a young child.

In a childs mind the damage is done, his parents and friends will be disgusted by him and hate him. He's got nowhere to turn, except to the one person who knows the secret.


36 posted on 01/16/2007 3:47:35 PM PST by panthermom
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To: panthermom

This is all so sad. What's going to make it harder are all the questions about why Shawn didn't just leave. Poor kid.


37 posted on 01/16/2007 4:55:29 PM PST by keats5 (tolerance of intolerant people is cultural suicide)
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To: Rte66

Mark to read later


38 posted on 01/16/2007 9:20:25 PM PST by Rte66
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To: keats5
According to the police report, Shawn told the officer his name was "Shawn Devlin" and gave him the birth date July 7, 1991 — 10 days off his true date of birth.

Isn't this the same name as the poster to the family's website with the entry along the lines of "How long are you going to look for your son?"...

This whole case is weird and smells funny...

39 posted on 01/17/2007 8:07:23 AM PST by frogjerk (REUTERS: We give smoke and mirrors a bad name)
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To: magslinger

"Put him down as humanely as possible, just as we would any other dangerous animal."

Agree.

Why should tax dollars support this freak?

No prison is worse than hell. He needs to go there asap.


40 posted on 01/18/2007 10:59:53 AM PST by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God) .)
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