Posted on 03/07/2007 5:16:41 AM PST by shrinkermd
I'm gone.
Hey, my grandmother would eat a fatback sandwich with a glass of buttermilk while dipping snuff and smoking a cigarette and she was 94 years old...
A piece of brocolli probly would have killed her.
Maybe neither group really does...
Whatever.
Go visit a mortgage or real estate thread - I get the same thing. I wasn't insulting your job. Nothing that's been said here is anything against YOU PERSONALLY or the average nutritionist. Just that when government is involved, money gets involved too. You admitted yourself that the beef lobby had influence, so if they did, why would other groups not have influence too?
The beef lobby had some influence, but honestly,
I see nothing wrong with the pyramid they way it is now...... The issue being portion sizes and choices.
BTW,
You just implied I didn't know what folks needed nutritionally in the above post.
That hurt.
However, I just have a stage 4 wound that healed because I got the Dr. to finally pay attention (after the the patient nearly lost her foot). I know what I do works.
That's why I keep doing it. It's not for the money, and it sure as hell ain't for the respect. :P
Perhaps, but the FP was brought up in relation to weight loss. As you state, the FP has nothing to do with weight loss. As for the "easy guide" you and I will have to disagree on that one. The first one was easy, but wrong (6-11 servings of bread and pasta per day? now wonder we're a nation of heifers). The new one is confusing as hell but a bit more balanced. At least it tries to distinguish between whole grain carbs vs crap refined carbs.
If the gov't actually wanted to suggest something helpful, it would toss out the food pyramid nonsense and start a campaign against processed food and promote veggies and exercise. Of course, the $$$ isn't there for that campaign.
Won't happen - the corn and wheat lobbyists have too much money for that.
The issue being portion sizes and choices.
Portion size is the single biggest problem we have here in the US. In fact, I realize you're talking nutrition as opposed to weight loss, but since I have been trying to lose a few pounds, I've noticed that what is considered a serving is PATHETIC in comparison to what I'm used to eating.
Well, on more than one occasion I've known something my doctor didn't even after I told him.
The issue with the 6 to 11 servings of Breads and cereals are portion sizes and fiber content. I agree there that a lot of confusion could have been avoided over portion distortion.
An average bagel is about 3 portions of bread.
The average serving of pasta is about 3 to 4 servings. etc. So if someone just eats the bagel and pasta, they only need a sandwich at night and thats it!
Then there is the whole grain issue also.
Going to whole grain pastas & breads, eating 1/2 a bagel for breakfast etc are all part of the teaching tools we use.
The issue is imparting the information. The FP is what we use to educate caregivers and clients.
Granted, I'm no longer teaching because I'm just too damn mean. However, I'm kickass in assessments and getting stuff to heal.
You just insulted me again RR!
Damn.
There is an increasing body of research about the positive effects of low carb and even ketogenic diets. This is another one to add to the pile.
Naj, it seems like you're looking for insults - all I was trying to point out was that doctors don't always know everything...that my doctor and yours are a lot alike.
Smile! I'm not trying to insult you!
OK!
I'm smiling.
This Dr. sees himself as a nutrition expert (like too many) and all my recommendations were ingored or met with "Well, just give her that in the food!". Finally, things changed.
I've grown to expect being ignored or insulted ;), especially on FR nutrition threads :)
Ok - we can agree that portions are way out of control!
I'm sure you're more capable of determining the nutritional needs of your patients better than the gov't. While the FP may be helpful to you as a tool, it is equally true that a lot of lobbyist $$ went into creating it.
I've known a couple of people who can go heavy on the grain side as recommended by the FP, but most people I know cannot. Personally, the only time I put on weight is when I add bread or pasta to my diet again (even whole grain). As long as I flip it to veggies and protein on the bottom and grains up with sugar, I'm ok. Anything else makes me bloat up like Rosie O'D.
A lot of it is overall portions and activity. I can go grain/CHO heavy if I'm working in the garden and teaching 10 hours of dance a week.
HOWEVER, my weakness is (was) the free, all you can drink lemonade dispensor. ARGH! I love lemonade :(
I have one brother who is a total vegan and gets probably 65% of his calories from grains, the rest from fats and meat analogs. He can put away more food than any human I've ever seen. He is also whip thin and all muscle.
The reason? He rides his bike everywhere.
Low carbohydrate diets improve atherogenic dyslipidemia even in the absence of weight loss Nutrition & Metabolism 2006,
(The effects of a low-carbohydrate, ketogenic diet on the polycystic ovary syndrome: A pilot study) Nutrition & Metabolism 2005
Low-carb Diet Better Than Low-fat Diet At Improving Metabolic Syndrome "Metabolic syndrome is a cluster of health signs that may occur together and indicate a risk for diabetes, stroke and heart disease. The markers of metabolic syndrome -- high blood pressure, low HDL levels, high triglycerides, obesity, high blood glucose and high insulin levels -- are all improved by a low carbohydrate diet. By contrast, the evidence shows that they are not improved, and can even be worsened by low fat/high carbohydrate diets."
Thank you!
Honestly, I think that's why Atkins and South Beach are so successful. We've become a less active society, thereby needing less grains and carbs.
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