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Comparison of Atkins, Zone,Ornish and Learn Diets For Weight Loss and Related Risk Factors
7 March 2007 | Vanity

Posted on 03/07/2007 5:16:41 AM PST by shrinkermd

This is from the Journal Of American Medical Association published on 7 March 2007. The authors are Christopher D. Gardner, PhD et al and the study was sponsored by Stanford University.

This is a prospective study of these diets. The Atkins Diet is very low carbohydrate. The LEARN DIET is a comprehensive lifestyle, excercise, attitude and relationship approach that includes a diet low in fat and high carbohydrate. The Ornish Diet is very high in carbohydrates. The Zone Diet is low in carbohydrate. These diets are popular and can be easily Googled.

Seventy or more premenopausal women randomly assigned to each diet. They were instructed in the diet over two months and the final determination of efficacy was made at 12 months.

The Atkins diet lost more weight and had more favorable metabolic effects than the other three diets. At the end of 1 year women in the Adkins cohort lost, on the average, 4.7 kilograms (10.4 lbs);the others scaled down from this figure. Similar results were found at 6 months and also for the trigylcerides and other measurements


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I thought, perhaps, a few might be interested in this study. It was prospective with a sufficient sample to have some value in guiding diet outcomes. There were no adverse effects from the diets.
1 posted on 03/07/2007 5:16:44 AM PST by shrinkermd
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To: shrinkermd

I think low carb is the way to go. Even South Beach is pretty low carb but if you have more than just a few pounds to lose, Atkins is best.


2 posted on 03/07/2007 5:22:03 AM PST by McGavin999 ("Hard is not Hopeless" General Petraeus)
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To: shrinkermd

This is another article about low carb.

http://www.commonvoice.com/article.asp?colid=6800


3 posted on 03/07/2007 5:23:43 AM PST by Not gonna take it anymore
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To: McGavin999

http://www.nypost.com/seven/03072007/news/nationalnews/atkins_is_best_weigh_nationalnews_david_k__li.htm
ATKINS IS BEST 'WEIGH'
AMA FINALLY APPROVES
By DAVID K. LI
THE SKINNY: A study found Atkins was most successful diet for young and middle-aged women.
THE SKINNY: A study found Atkins was most successful diet for young
and middle-aged women.


March 7, 2007 -- The Atkins Diet is back - and this time with the beefy backing of American Medical Association researchers.

The much-maligned, carb-cutting weight-loss plan gained grudging approval in yesterday's Journal of the American Medical Association, which published findings that showed women shedding pounds under Atkins.

"Many health professionals, including us, have either dismissed the value of very low carbohydrate diets for weight loss or been very skeptical of them," said lead researcher Christopher Gardner, an assistant professor of medical research at Stanford University.

"But it seems to be a viable alternative for dieters."

Despite JAMA's reserved praise for Atkins, critics said they've never doubted that an all-meat diet spurs immediate weight loss.

"I don't think anyone should be surprised by this, that some people find it easier to lose weight by getting rid of whole categories of food," said NYU nutrition professor Marion Nestle. "But is it a long-term strategy? Absolutely not!"

A pound of bacon today will end up as a pound on your body tomorrow, the NYU prof said.

"I know loads of people who lost a lot of weight [on Atkins] - and they all gained it all back, every single one of them," Nestle insisted.

The JAMA study put Atkins up against three other popular diets: the low-carb Zone, high-carb Learn and low-fat, high-carb Ornish diets, measuring them for weight loss in 300 young and middle-aged women.

Atkins followers shed an average of about 10 pounds in a year, besting the U.S. government guideline-backed Learn (average weight loss of six pounds), Ornish (five pounds) and Zone (3.5 pounds).

Blood pressure and cholesterol also appeared to stay in check, despite the mass fat intake of Atkins, researchers said.

But to lose weight on Atkins, followers had to stay true to the anti-sugar restrictions, trading in soda pop for water.

"One of the concerns that health professionals have had about these very low carbohydrate diets is that, possibly, the high fat content would be bad for people in terms of their cholesterol levels or their blood pressure," Gardner said.

"Cutting out those simple refined carbohydrates [is key] - the white bread, the white rice, the high-fructose corn syrup, the soda pop."


4 posted on 03/07/2007 5:24:01 AM PST by Ladysmith ((NRA, SAS) "These lefties are terminally inebriated on dishonesty." The Nuge)
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To: Ladysmith

A diet is worthless if you just gain the weight back again. Adkins is more of a fast


5 posted on 03/07/2007 5:29:02 AM PST by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: AppyPappy

That would apply to any diet that's working for you. Return to your old eating habits and you will more than likely regain what you lost.

As for Atkins being a fast - the things "fasted" away were sugars, breads, pastas, and some fruits. Between the proteins, vegetables, and better oils (such as olive oil), the cravings go away.


6 posted on 03/07/2007 5:47:06 AM PST by Ladysmith ((NRA, SAS) "These lefties are terminally inebriated on dishonesty." The Nuge)
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To: AppyPappy
Adkins is more of a fast.

Sorry,can't agree with you.I did Atkins for some time and it worked for me and worked well.I lost weight...dare I say...easily,thanks to combining regular exercise with the diet.

In a nutshell,my doctor at the time (a graduate of Harvard Medical School practicing at a major Boston hospital) said that Atkins works because protein (which is what Atkins is all about) is more effective than anything else in turning off the "switch" in the brain that tells us that we're hungry and,as a result,you take in fewer calories.

7 posted on 03/07/2007 6:25:18 AM PST by Gay State Conservative ("The meaning of peace is the absence of opposition to socialism."-Karl Marx)
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To: McGavin999

People who do not read the facts about Atkins are really under a misconception of what Atkins really does. For one thing, Atkins burns fat instead of surger because you are not taking in high carbs which convert to surger. How do we know this? We've been on Atkins for 10 years, we're lean and mean and our doctors keep encouraging us to keep on Atkins. Physicians encourage patients with Diabetes and Heart problems maintain a diet on Atkins.


8 posted on 03/07/2007 6:30:21 AM PST by auto power
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To: auto power

The only problem I have with Atkins is my own lack of imagination. I can never think of enough things to add varity to my diet and end up eating the same thing over and over until I get sick of it.


9 posted on 03/07/2007 6:50:14 AM PST by McGavin999 ("Hard is not Hopeless" General Petraeus)
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To: shrinkermd
I have a diet that is 100% guaranteed to work for 100% of people who try it. It costs nothing and will actually save people money and is 100% effective for everyone.











Stop eating so much.






thankyouhaveaniceday.
10 posted on 03/07/2007 7:06:21 AM PST by HOTTIEBOY (HUNTER: "I don't have to hire a consultant to develop a conservative image, I am a conservative.")
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To: najida

please tell us your thoughts on scam diets, I mean Atkins.....


11 posted on 03/07/2007 7:08:00 AM PST by HOTTIEBOY (HUNTER: "I don't have to hire a consultant to develop a conservative image, I am a conservative.")
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To: auto power
When Dr. Atkins Diet Revolution was first published, the President of the American College of Nutrition said, "Of all the bizarre diets that have been proposed in the last 50 years, this is the most dangerous to the public if followed for any length of time."

I am no nutritionist but there you have it.

The warnings from medical authorities continue to this day. "People need to wake up to the reality," former U.S. Surgeon General C. Everett Koop writes, that the Atkins Diet is "unhealthy and can be dangerous."

Now here's my thoughts, for what they are worth. People like the surgeon general don't stand to make any money off these things, so you can pretty much be assured that there is no motive behind what they say. People that are selling the diet do have money to be made in it.

""The world's largest organization of food and nutrition professionals,[7] calls the Atkins Diet "a nightmare of a diet."[8] The official spokesperson of the American Dietetic Association elaborated: "The Atkins Diet and its ilk--any eating regimen that encourages gorging on bacon, cream and butter while shunning apples, all in the name of weight loss--are a dietitian's nightmare."

But hey, if it works for you... All I am saying is that people who develope the food pyramid are pretty smart people. We should listen to them.
12 posted on 03/07/2007 7:20:04 AM PST by HOTTIEBOY (HUNTER: "I don't have to hire a consultant to develop a conservative image, I am a conservative.")
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To: AppyPappy

A diet is worthless if you have to take 'supplements' to get missing nutrients. The standard, even with brittle diabetics on tube feedings and sliding scale insulin is no less than 45% of kcal from CHO, 25% of Kcal from PRO and 30% from fat.

Oh yeah, and 35gm of fiber, adequate calcium, Vitamin C and iron :)


13 posted on 03/07/2007 8:48:35 AM PST by najida (One day, a door opens, and you get a chance to start over. But the phone rings......)
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To: HOTTIEBOY

LOL!
You are so bad.

Thanks for the heads up.


14 posted on 03/07/2007 8:49:32 AM PST by najida (One day, a door opens, and you get a chance to start over. But the phone rings......)
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To: HOTTIEBOY

"All I am saying is that people who develope the food pyramid are pretty smart people"

Actually - the food pyramid is horrible and largely created to appease lobbyist interests. LOTS of money went into making breads and grains the largest group. They may be smart, but they also knows who butters their bread, so to speak.


15 posted on 03/07/2007 8:52:29 AM PST by Hoodlum91 (I support global warming.)
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To: Hoodlum91

I call BS.

I was around when the FP was being planned and discussed. Money wasn't an issue. Input from the American Cancer, Diabetes and Heart associations were. As well as about 2 decades of clinical findings supporting the structure. The goals were to increase overall fiber and plant food intake to meet nutritional needs and decrease intake of saturated fat and refined sugars.

The lobby that was hitting the hardest and the meanest was the US Beef Board. They make big tobacco look like pansies.
Scary group of folks.



16 posted on 03/07/2007 8:56:22 AM PST by najida (One day, a door opens, and you get a chance to start over. But the phone rings......)
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To: Hoodlum91
Actually - the food pyramid is horrible and largely created to appease lobbyist interests

While I do agree that EVERYTHING has a money trail, I cannot except the fact that something that passes across hundreds of peoples desks and dozens of boards and commitees can be accepted and presented to the entire population while knowingly being something that would be harmfull.

But then again, I am not a doctor or a nutritionist so I cannot state any facts either way.
17 posted on 03/07/2007 9:13:10 AM PST by HOTTIEBOY (HUNTER: "I don't have to hire a consultant to develop a conservative image, I am a conservative.")
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To: najida
The US Beef Board...They make big tobacco look like pansies.
Scary group of folks.


Yeah, but they sure do got some good stakz...
18 posted on 03/07/2007 9:16:40 AM PST by HOTTIEBOY (HUNTER: "I don't have to hire a consultant to develop a conservative image, I am a conservative.")
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To: najida

You can call BS, but you're wrong.

When Atkins and South Beach were at their peaks a year or two ago, the USDA was reviewing the pyramid. The corn and wheat lobbies were all over the place, even placing ads on local televison (we get tons of lobbyist ads in the DC market. Beef wasn't nearly as aggressive - they didn't need to be, everyone was buying into high protein, low carb. Corn and wheat had sponsored articles in the Post, the Times, all over.

If you really doubt the power of the corn lobby, look at the ethanol requirements. They don't really solve any problems enviornmentally, but we're all required to use it now.

NEVER trust anything that the gov't puts out as required or "recommended". It's always cash-based.


19 posted on 03/07/2007 9:17:29 AM PST by Hoodlum91 (I support global warming.)
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To: HOTTIEBOY

You'd be surprised. In DC, money talks - not much else.

The only thing more powerful than cash in the dc gov't is pet agendas of the party in power, and even then it's back to who donates the most to campaigns and the party.

I've only been in DC for 4 years, but it's been more than long enough to open my eyes to the BIG difference between inside the beltway mentality and the rest of the country.


20 posted on 03/07/2007 9:21:34 AM PST by Hoodlum91 (I support global warming.)
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To: najida

US Beef Board
21 posted on 03/07/2007 9:24:41 AM PST by HOTTIEBOY (HUNTER: "I don't have to hire a consultant to develop a conservative image, I am a conservative.")
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To: Hoodlum91

OK,
then are you saying all my nutritional assessments are wrong?

That humans don't need 30cc of fluid per KG of body weight, or they don't need 35gm of fiber (ideally). That women are best served by consuming 1500mg of calcium a day or that most need around 15mg of iron? That the standard of .8 kg of protein for an average healthy individual is wrong and that 50% of kcal from CHO is based on myth? All this ties back into the recommendations and the way we right diets and menus.

Are you saying that the ACA recs for plant based plates is money driven? Same with the AHA and ADA? That we just made all this up for money?

And on and on and on. Honestly, if the 30% of professionals I know were writing the FP today, there would be very little animal on it. But that's more from working with sick people and bad diets. That's from hearing more than one diet history where there were almost no fruits or veges, but lots and lots of meat, fat and sugar.

Look, I accepted a long time ago that being an RD AND being on FR was like being a Wiccan at a tent revival. Unwelcome and unwanted. :) So I avoid these threads.

But I love my job, I believe in what I do and I believe in the results that I see on a daily basis. And I do see positive results which makes glad I chose this profession. Even though I'm WAY underpaid.


22 posted on 03/07/2007 9:26:50 AM PST by najida (One day, a door opens, and you get a chance to start over. But the phone rings......)
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To: HOTTIEBOY

I'm outta here,
thanks for the ping hun. :)


23 posted on 03/07/2007 9:27:25 AM PST by najida (One day, a door opens, and you get a chance to start over. But the phone rings......)
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To: najida

Beef's good, tofu sucks. ;-)

What's for lunch?


24 posted on 03/07/2007 9:27:57 AM PST by RockinRight (My wish for Islam - The Glass Parking Lot Formerly Known As The Middle East.)
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To: najida

An RD? Pardon my ignorance...what's that stand for?


25 posted on 03/07/2007 9:29:19 AM PST by RockinRight (My wish for Islam - The Glass Parking Lot Formerly Known As The Middle East.)
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To: najida

Simply eating "normal" foods, avoiding high-fructose corn syrup when possible, and going easy on the sweet desserts, fast food, and heavily processed foods is just fine for most people. While the basic "recommendations" are probably a good guide to go buy, you can't tell me that lobbying wasn't involved in the FP decision.


26 posted on 03/07/2007 9:31:04 AM PST by RockinRight (My wish for Islam - The Glass Parking Lot Formerly Known As The Middle East.)
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To: RockinRight

It's short for
underpaid,
underappreciated,
hated by conservatives (Why AM I here come think of it?)

And I happen to like tofu as much as meat.


27 posted on 03/07/2007 9:32:12 AM PST by najida (One day, a door opens, and you get a chance to start over. But the phone rings......)
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To: RockinRight

Would you believe that the ONLY lobbying I heard about was from the Beef Board?

That most RDs wanted MORE plant on it, not less than what was on it?

Believe me, what you got isn't anything like the fighters in the trenches wanted.


28 posted on 03/07/2007 9:33:38 AM PST by najida (One day, a door opens, and you get a chance to start over. But the phone rings......)
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To: najida

Absolutely not. I'm saying that the gov't recommended food pyramid is based largely on lobbyists. You even admit that most successful diets are veggie and fruit based. The problem is that the USDA says it should be based on grain - and includes pasta and refined flour based products in that category - which have very little nutritional value. And the reason they include those products is $$$.

Diets like SB and atkins steer towards "good" carbs - those with high fiber counts, as opposed to the crap that the USDA includes.


29 posted on 03/07/2007 9:34:10 AM PST by Hoodlum91 (I support global warming.)
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To: najida

So nice of you to join us.

I'll see if I can find a stripper thread to ping you to after while...


30 posted on 03/07/2007 9:34:17 AM PST by HOTTIEBOY (HUNTER: "I don't have to hire a consultant to develop a conservative image, I am a conservative.")
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To: Hoodlum91; najida

I'd agree, but I'll be the first to admit that I do love high-carb and starchy foods of both the "good" and "bad" variety.


31 posted on 03/07/2007 9:36:14 AM PST by RockinRight (My wish for Islam - The Glass Parking Lot Formerly Known As The Middle East.)
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To: najida

Human beings aren't rabbits, we're meant to eat more than celery and carrots.


32 posted on 03/07/2007 9:37:04 AM PST by RockinRight (My wish for Islam - The Glass Parking Lot Formerly Known As The Middle East.)
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To: Hoodlum91

It's not about "Diets" it's about nutritional needs.

It's like saying humans don't need air. The FP wasn't about weight loss, it was about an easy referrence for getting the nutrients you need on a daily basis. DIET isn't weight loss.

We are talking human nutritional needs.


33 posted on 03/07/2007 9:37:28 AM PST by najida (One day, a door opens, and you get a chance to start over. But the phone rings......)
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To: RockinRight

RR,
do I insult what you do for a living?

No, there is way more to eat than celery and carrots.


34 posted on 03/07/2007 9:38:49 AM PST by najida (One day, a door opens, and you get a chance to start over. But the phone rings......)
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To: najida

You'll die in 5 minutes without air, but you can still live to be 100 if you don't follow the FP perfectly...

I know what you're saying, Naj, but the two aren't the same.


35 posted on 03/07/2007 9:39:37 AM PST by RockinRight (My wish for Islam - The Glass Parking Lot Formerly Known As The Middle East.)
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To: HOTTIEBOY

Thanks,
I so love the insults and slams :P


36 posted on 03/07/2007 9:39:44 AM PST by najida (One day, a door opens, and you get a chance to start over. But the phone rings......)
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To: najida

I didn't insult what you do! Nor have you insulted my job...although plenty of others at FR have.


37 posted on 03/07/2007 9:40:11 AM PST by RockinRight (My wish for Islam - The Glass Parking Lot Formerly Known As The Middle East.)
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To: Hoodlum91

I don't know why they don't just do away with the US Food and Drug Admin and fire the thousands of nutritionists that support the FP. They don't know what the heck they are talking about.

The handfull of diet salesman and Beef Board lobbyists really know what we need.


/sarc


38 posted on 03/07/2007 9:41:20 AM PST by HOTTIEBOY (HUNTER: "I don't have to hire a consultant to develop a conservative image, I am a conservative.")
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To: RockinRight

What we are talking about is
a. Educating groups who are clueless about what they need and getting more confused every day.
b. 'Institutional' settings were choices are being made for people.

In both, we have to have guidelines to follow. That's what I base my assessments on, the ideal. No one follows it 100%, but there is this framework.

That's all. Just a 'Try to get adequate amounts of XYZ' in teaching and 'Are they getting adequate amounts of XYZ' in the institutionalized settings.


39 posted on 03/07/2007 9:43:07 AM PST by najida (One day, a door opens, and you get a chance to start over. But the phone rings......)
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To: HOTTIEBOY

HB,
you just reposted something that I saw my first month here.
No joke.

My job, and what I do is 'evil' to some.

Whatever.


40 posted on 03/07/2007 9:44:36 AM PST by najida (One day, a door opens, and you get a chance to start over. But the phone rings......)
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To: najida

I'm gone.


41 posted on 03/07/2007 9:45:17 AM PST by najida (One day, a door opens, and you get a chance to start over. But the phone rings......)
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To: RockinRight

Hey, my grandmother would eat a fatback sandwich with a glass of buttermilk while dipping snuff and smoking a cigarette and she was 94 years old...

A piece of brocolli probly would have killed her.


42 posted on 03/07/2007 9:46:31 AM PST by HOTTIEBOY (HUNTER: "I don't have to hire a consultant to develop a conservative image, I am a conservative.")
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To: HOTTIEBOY

Maybe neither group really does...


43 posted on 03/07/2007 9:48:12 AM PST by RockinRight (My wish for Islam - The Glass Parking Lot Formerly Known As The Middle East.)
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To: najida
My job, and what I do is 'evil' to some.

Whatever.

Go visit a mortgage or real estate thread - I get the same thing. I wasn't insulting your job. Nothing that's been said here is anything against YOU PERSONALLY or the average nutritionist. Just that when government is involved, money gets involved too. You admitted yourself that the beef lobby had influence, so if they did, why would other groups not have influence too?

44 posted on 03/07/2007 9:50:22 AM PST by RockinRight (My wish for Islam - The Glass Parking Lot Formerly Known As The Middle East.)
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To: RockinRight

The beef lobby had some influence, but honestly,
I see nothing wrong with the pyramid they way it is now...... The issue being portion sizes and choices.

BTW,
You just implied I didn't know what folks needed nutritionally in the above post.

That hurt.

However, I just have a stage 4 wound that healed because I got the Dr. to finally pay attention (after the the patient nearly lost her foot). I know what I do works.

That's why I keep doing it. It's not for the money, and it sure as hell ain't for the respect. :P


45 posted on 03/07/2007 9:54:14 AM PST by najida (One day, a door opens, and you get a chance to start over. But the phone rings......)
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To: najida

Perhaps, but the FP was brought up in relation to weight loss. As you state, the FP has nothing to do with weight loss. As for the "easy guide" you and I will have to disagree on that one. The first one was easy, but wrong (6-11 servings of bread and pasta per day? now wonder we're a nation of heifers). The new one is confusing as hell but a bit more balanced. At least it tries to distinguish between whole grain carbs vs crap refined carbs.

If the gov't actually wanted to suggest something helpful, it would toss out the food pyramid nonsense and start a campaign against processed food and promote veggies and exercise. Of course, the $$$ isn't there for that campaign.


46 posted on 03/07/2007 9:54:29 AM PST by Hoodlum91 (I support global warming.)
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To: HOTTIEBOY

Won't happen - the corn and wheat lobbyists have too much money for that.


47 posted on 03/07/2007 9:55:46 AM PST by Hoodlum91 (I support global warming.)
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To: najida
Let's focus on a point of agreement:

The issue being portion sizes and choices.

Portion size is the single biggest problem we have here in the US. In fact, I realize you're talking nutrition as opposed to weight loss, but since I have been trying to lose a few pounds, I've noticed that what is considered a serving is PATHETIC in comparison to what I'm used to eating.

48 posted on 03/07/2007 9:57:09 AM PST by RockinRight (My wish for Islam - The Glass Parking Lot Formerly Known As The Middle East.)
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To: najida
However, I just have a stage 4 wound that healed because I got the Dr. to finally pay attention (after the the patient nearly lost her foot). I know what I do works.

Well, on more than one occasion I've known something my doctor didn't even after I told him.

49 posted on 03/07/2007 9:58:05 AM PST by RockinRight (My wish for Islam - The Glass Parking Lot Formerly Known As The Middle East.)
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To: Hoodlum91

The issue with the 6 to 11 servings of Breads and cereals are portion sizes and fiber content. I agree there that a lot of confusion could have been avoided over portion distortion.

An average bagel is about 3 portions of bread.
The average serving of pasta is about 3 to 4 servings. etc. So if someone just eats the bagel and pasta, they only need a sandwich at night and thats it!

Then there is the whole grain issue also.

Going to whole grain pastas & breads, eating 1/2 a bagel for breakfast etc are all part of the teaching tools we use.
The issue is imparting the information. The FP is what we use to educate caregivers and clients.

Granted, I'm no longer teaching because I'm just too damn mean. However, I'm kickass in assessments and getting stuff to heal.


50 posted on 03/07/2007 10:00:11 AM PST by najida (One day, a door opens, and you get a chance to start over. But the phone rings......)
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