Rose Fever: Pursuit of the perfect garden (a springtime vanity)

me | 3/18/07 | Knitting a Conundrum

[pandoraou812]

I have a fence that has beautiful miniature white roses climbing over it. I began to plant different roses around the yard and each year the white roses get a pink or yellow shade to them. I never know what will show up. I love sterling roses but I don't have too much luck with them. I do have a trellis with fourth of July roses that do very well. The thorns are horrible though.

[1COUNTER-MORTER-68]

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2. Trench center-line of bed hoe-depth or better,,,
Your County AG. guy can get an accurate PH of the soil,,,
the lil'pills/etc. are Voo-Do-Do IMHO,,,starting from scratch member,,,go up or down to suite + - ,,,then,,,

3. "Stop And Smell The Roses"(American Rose Center)...;0)*****************************************;0)

[Quix]

I'll probably have enough seeds to share a few. If you are seriously interested, let me know. I just ordered maybe 10 packets of such seeds.

What region are you in?

I like raised beds. How about you? Weeding is much easier--especially on old knees.

Blessings,

[Quix]

I ordered that one. Some purple tomatoes. Several orange types for the intensified lypocine sp?

Happy spring to you.

[Quix]

SALLY HOLMES--6-12 feet whitish rose hedge type rose from EDMUNDS ROSES

HTTP://WWW.EDMUNDSROSES.COM

I think Stark has something similar.

But probably a climber of a deep red would look more beautiful on the fence. The one above would obscure the fence eventually.

[Quix]

Goodness 70 feet by 100 feet.

I love landscaping as a past time even if just in my head.

I suppose I could come up with some possibilities if you shared some of your interests and preferences.

Blessings,

[Sherri-D]

Alas, we can't grow cheddar OR brie (or emanthaler) down here in GA. Darn.

[Sherri-D]

I just bought a few things from rareseeds.com and planted them yesterday (inside)
I can't wait to see how they do! I do have plum tomatoes.

[Judith Anne]

Forth of July? Are those the ones with striped red and white petals?

I had a very beautiful antique rose bush where we used to live, it was a flat rose flower with a bright yellow center, and red and white striped petals. I never knew the name (bought it from a roadside stand as a cutting) but brought them to work, and some people who saw them said it was "Fourth of July." The flowers had a good rose smell, it had plenty of thorns, and was very hardy after it got going.

We moved in January a year ago, and during all the excitement, I forgot to get my cutting. The people who bought our old place cut it down--they didn't like roses--they took out my gardens, etc. Oh well. It's their place now.

[Varda]

I love roses too although I've killed a lot of them. I'll have to second that comment about drainage. Since I dug a six inch drench around the beds; they are doing loads better. If I could do it again I'd do raised beds.

I'm zone 5/6 and some roses reputed to be tender have done well here.
Eden (Pierre de Ronsard /Meilland)
Heritage (Austin)
Teasing Georgia (Austin)
Gertrude Jekyll (Austin)
Sea Foam (shrub)
Leda (painted Damask)
Scarlet Meidiland
Complicata (Gallica)

However for toughness (provided you have drainage) and ease of care nothing beats the Rugosa roses.

Jackson and Perkins new hybrid tea "Pope John Paul II" is getting good reviews too. I'm going to try a bed of that with "Our Lady of Guadalupe" as an accent . "Our Lady" is a blooming machine here but it does get winter damage and takes awhile to get out of it.

[Knitting A Conundrum]

American Rose Society's Top Roses (note, though, they don't all do equally in all locations)



The Top 20 in each Category

Species

* R. banksiae banksiae Sp, white, double, 1807 9.2
* R. banksiae lutea Sp, light yellow, double, 1824 9.1
* R. rugosa alba Sp, white, single, 1811 9.1
* R. rugosa rubra Sp, mauve, single, 1784 9.1
* R. setigera Sp, deep pink, 1810 9.1
* R. gallica Sp, deep pink, before 1867 9.0
* R. gallica versicolor (Rosa Mundi) Sp, pink blend,
semi-double, 1581 9.0
* R. moschata Sp, white, 1540 8.9
* R. rugosa Sp, mauve, 1784 8.9
* Kiftsgate Sp, white, 5 petals, 1954 8.8
* R. glauca Sp, medium pink, 1789 8.8
* R. gallica officinalis (Apothecary's Rose) Sp, deep pink,
semi-double, before 1600 8.7
* R. roxburghii Sp, medium pink, double, 1820 8.7
* R. hugonis Sp, medium yellow, single, 1899 8.6
* R. virginiana Sp, medium pink, before 1807 8.6
* R. laevigata Sp, white, single, 1759 8.5
* R. roxburghii normalis Sp, light pink, single, 1862 8.5
* R. eglanteria Sp, light pink, single, 1753 8.4
* R. spinosissima Sp, white, 1753 8.4
* R. banksiae Sp, white, 1811 8.3

Floribundas and Polyanthas

* Marie Pavie Pol, white, double, 1888 8.9
* Nicole (KORicole) F, white, 35 petals, 1985 8.9
* Orange Morsday Pol, orange blend, 1956 8.9
* Mrs R.M.. Finch Pol, medium pink, double, 1923 8.8
* Bridal White F, white, double, 1970 8.7
* Iceberg F, white, double, 1958 8.7
* La Marne Pol, pink blend, single, 1915 8.7
* Lavaglut F, dark red, 24 petals, 1978 8.7
* Lullaby Pol, white, 75 petals, 1953 8.7
* Poulsen's Pearl F, light pink, 5 petals, 1949 8.7
* Sexy Rexy F, medium pink, double, 1984 8.7
* The Fairy Pol, light pink, double, 1932 8.7
* Escapade F, mauve, 12 petals, 1967 8.6
* Europeana F, dark red, 25-30 petals, 1968 8.6
* Hannah Gordon F, pink blend, 35 petals, 1983 8.6
* Travemunde F, medium red, double, 1968 8.6
* Verdun Pol, medium red, double, 1918 8.6
* White Pet Pol, white, double, 1879 8.6
* Iceberg, Cl F, white, 1968 8.5
* Perle d'Or Pol, yellow blend, very double, 1884 8.5

Old Garden Roses

* Reve d'Or N, medium yellow, double, 1869 9.3
* Old Red Moss M, medium red, very double 9.1
* Marchesa Boccella HP, light pink, double, 1842 9.0
* Alba Semi-plena A, white, 8 petals, before 1867 8.9
* Alika HGal, medium red, semi-double, 1906 8.9
* Great Maiden's Blush A, white, double 8.9
* Mme Alfred Carriere N, white, double, 1879 8.9
* Mme Hardy D, white, double, 1832 8.9
* Mrs B. R. Cant T, medium pink, double, 1901 8.9
* Mutabilis HCh, yellow blend, single 8.9
* R. x alba A, white, double, before 1867 8.9
* Complicata HGal, pink blend, single 8.8
* Lamarque N, white, double, 1830 8.8
* Mme Plantier A, white, very double, 1835 8.8
* Rose de Rescht P, deep pink, very double 8.8
* Sombreuil Cl T, white, double, 1850 8.8
* Celine Forestier N, light yellow, double, 1858 8.7
* Celsiana D, light pink, semi-double, before 1867 8.7
* Cramoisi Supérieur HCh, medium red, double, 1832 8.7
* Crested Moss M, medium pink, very full, 1827 8.7

Hybrid Teas and Grandifloras

* Irish Elegance HT, orange blend, 5 petals, 1905 8.9
* Touch of Class HT, orange pink, 30-35 petals, 1986 9.9
* Elina HT, light yellow, 30-35 petals, 1984 8.6
* Marijke Koopman HT, medium pink, 25 petals, 1979 8.6
* Olympiad HT, medium red, 30-35 petals, 1982 8.6
* Pristine HT, white, 28 petals, 1978 8.6
* Silver Jubilee HT, pink blend, 33 petals, 1978 8.6
* Captain Thomas Cl HT, white, single, 1935 8.5
* Dainty Bess HT, light pink, 4-11 petals, 1925 8.5
* Dainty Bess, Cl Cl HT, light pink, 4-11 petals 1935 8.5
* Kardinal HT, medium red, 30-35 petals, 1986 8.5
* Baronne Edmond de Rothschild HT, red blend, 40 petals, 1968 8.4
* Double Delight HT, red blend, 30-35 petals, 1977 8.4
* Elizabeth Taylor HT, deep pink, 30-35 petals, 1985 8.4
* Gold Medal Gr, medium yellow, 30-35 petals, 1982 8.4
* Louise Estes HT, pink blend, 35 petals, 1991 8.3
* Mister Lincoln HT, dark red, 35 petals, 1964 8.3
* Mrs Oakley Fisher HT, deep yellow, single, 1921 8.3
* Dublin HT, medium red, 35-40 petals, 1982 8.2
* Earth Song Gr, deep pink, 25030 petals, 1975 8.2

Miniatures & Mini-Floras

* Jean Kenneally Min, apricot blend, 22 petals, 1984 9.1
* Jeanne Lajoie Cl Min, medium pink, 40 petals, 1975 9.1
* Irresistible Min, white, 43 petals, 1989 9.0
* Minnie Pearl Min, pink blend, double, 1982 9.0
* Pierrine Min, orange pink, 40 petals, 1988 9.0
* Giggles Min, medium pink, 18 petals, 1987 8.8
* Gourmet Popcorn Min, white, 6-14 petals, 1986 8.7
* Rainbow's End Min, yellow blend, 35 petals, 1984 8.7
* Robin Red Breast MinFl, red blend, single, 1983 8.7
* Baby Grand Min, medium pink, 25 petals, 1994 8.6
* Angel Pink Cl Min, orange pink, double, 1987 8.5
* Magic Carrousel Min, red blend, double, 1972 8.5
* My Sunshine Min, medium yellow, single, 1986 8.5
* Peggy "T" Min, medium red, 5 petals, 1988 8.5
* Snow Bride Min, white, 20 petals, 1982 8.5
* Little Artist Min, red blend, semi-double, 1982 8.4
* Millie Walters Min, orange pink, 45 petals, 1983 8.4
* Rise 'n' Shine Min, medium yellow, 35 petals, 1977 8.
* 4 Rise 'n' Shine Cl. Min, medium yellow, 1990 8.4
vRuby Pendant Min, mauve, 28 petals, 1979 8.4

Climbers and Hybrid Wichuranas

* Democracie LCl, dark red, 1935 8.9
* Royal Sunset LCl, apricot blend, 20 petals, 1960 8.9
* Clair Matin LCl, medium pink, 15 petals, 1960 8.8
* Dublin Bay LCl, medium red, 25 petals, 1975 8.6
* New Dawn LCl, light pink, 35-40 petals, 1930 8.6
* Altissimo LCl, medium red, 7 petals, 1966 8.5
* City of York LCl, white, 15 petals, 1945 8.5
* Compassion LCl, orange pink, 36 petals, 1972 8.5
* Newport Fairy HWich, pink blend, single, 1908 8.5
* Rosarium Ueteresen LCl, deep pink, very double, 1977 8.5
* America LCl, orange pink, 43 petals, 1976 8.3
* Ramblin' Red LCl, medium red, 2001 8.3
* Belle Portugaise LCl, light pink, semi-double, 1903 8.2
* Don Juan LCl, dark red, 30-35 petals, 1958 8.2
* Parade LCl, deep pink, 33 petals, 1953 8.2
* Pierre de Ronsard LCl, pink blend, 40-55 petals, 1987 8.2
* Rhonda LCl, medium pink, double, 1968 8.2
* Fourth of July LCl, red blend, 10-16 petals, 1999 8.1
* Galway Bay LCl, orange pink, 1966 8.1
* Pink Perpetue LCl, medium pink, 32 petals, 1965 8.1

Shrubs

* Dortmund HKor, medium red, single, 1955 9.1
* Eddie's Crimson HMoy, medium red, semi-double, 1956, 9.1
* Henry Hudson HRg, white, 25 petals, 1976 9.0
* Rugosa Magnifica HRg, mauve, double, 1905 9.0
* Surry S, light red, semi-double, 1905 9.0
* Elveshorn S, medium pink, 35 petals, 1985 8.9
* Immensee S, light pink, single, 1983 8.9
* Lyda Rose S, white, single, 1994 8.9
* Sally Holmes S, white, single, 1976 8.9
* William Baffin HKor, deep pink, 20 petals, 1983 8.9
* Gartendirektor Otto Linne S, deep pink, double, 1934 8.8
* Golden Wings S, light yellow, single, 1956 8.8
* John Cabot HKor, medium red, 40 petals, 1978 8.8
* Nevada HMoy, white, single, 1927 8.8
* Penelope HMsk, light pink, semi-double, 1924 8.8
* Robbie Burns S, light pink, 5 petals, 1986 8.8
* Robusta (KORgosa) S, medium red, 5 petals, 1979 8.8
* Roseraie de l'Hay HRg, dark red, double, 1901 8.8
* Ballerina HMsk, medium pink, single, 1937 8.7
* Cornelia HMsk, pink blend, double, 1925 8.7

[Knitting A Conundrum]

http://www.rose-roses.com/culture/soilprep.html

Good Healthy Soil Is An Ecosystem

Soil is more than just dirt. It is more than clay, silt, sand, and dead plant matter. It is a complex pile of fungi, bacteria, worms and other organisms working together in a continuously changing environment. What are they all doing? They are all eating and having sex. The byproducts of this activity produce the nutrients that plants need to grow. The plants and their roots are an intimate part of this system. When you have a complete and healthy soil, all of these things are working together and the plants are performing at the peak of their abilities. Nine tenths of gardening is creating nutritious healthy soil. Give them the right home and the plants know what to do from there. Healthy soil will reduce plant fungus diseases and reduce insect infestations. Why? Because their predators will be present there as well. The Soil ecosystem has developed over hundreds of millions of years, and so you don't have to reinvent the wheel, you just have to help it along.

Figure Out Your Soil Type

This is very important. First of all figure out if you have clay soil, Sandy soil, Loamy soil, Rocky soil or whatever. Knowing what your soil is will allow you to figure out what it needs in terms of extra nutrients, how frequently you should water, or whether you have good or bad drainage. Clay soil usually means bad drainage, less frequent watering, high soil alkalinity (high pH), and the need for the addition of large amounts of organic matter. Sandy soil means great drainage, need for more frequent watering, and also the need for the addition of organic matter (compost, manure, grass clippings, etc). High organic soil usually means high acidity (low pH), good drainage, good soil moisture retention, and the need for a little crushed limestone in order to increase the pH.

Roses need a pH of about 6.5 in the soil. This is slightly acid soil. Neutral soil is 7.0. Alkaline soil is above 7, acid soil is below 7. The type of soil that occurs in forests is usually acid loamy soil. That type of soil that occurs in valleys is usually clay or sandy soil. If you are really fastidious you should send off samples of your soil to a soil testing lab in your state. Most states have them.

Adding Organic Materials And Soil Amendments
Almost all soils can benefit from the additon of more organic matter. If you are starting with an empty bed, now is the time that you can make a difference. Add as much composted (rotted) organic material as you can afford. It is almost impossible to add too much. Compost can be purchased at the Nursery or Garden Center or from other local sources. Shovel the compost onto the beds and then dig it in with a shovel or better yet, a roto tiller. If you are amending the soil in the fall, you can add materials such as manure, grass clippings or leaves, because they will have all winter to rot into the composted material you want. Dig this stuff into the soil as soon as the ground can be worked in the spring.

In addition to organic matter, sometimes your soil needs other amendments. Things such as ground limestone in order to increase the pH. Or other rose beneficial things such as bone meal, blood meal or a bit of NPK (Nitrogen, Phosphorous, Potassium) fertilizer. Good rose fertilizers have an NPK ratio of 1:2:1. More phosphorous leads to better blooming. Adding too much nitrogen will result in too much foliage and too few blooms.

Digging And Aerating
Even if you don't add any soil amendments, it is very important that you dig or till the soil EVERY season. For new beds you will want to turn the whole bed over in the fall and again in the spring with a shovel or a roto tiller. If you are dealing with existing roses, you should turn all of the soil over with a fork about 1 foot away from the bush and loosen the roots with a garden fork all around the rose in the spring. This is a good time to add fertilizers and small amounts of other amendments such as alfalfa pellets, epsom salts (Magnesium Sulphate), fish emulsion or manure tea. Fertilizers and amendments should always be dug into the top layer of the soil around the plant.

Perfect Rose Soil
So what is PERFECT rose soil? It has about 50 percent organic matter and the rest is an equal mixture of clay, silt and sand. It has a pH of 6.5. It has worms living there. It has uncounted bacteria and fungi living there. It has organic matter in all stages of decay present. It is light yet not too light. If you grab a handful and crush it, it stays together, but does not form a clod. You can physically push your fingers down into it a few inches, but not down to your elbow. When it is wet, it is not muddy, when it is dry it is not concrete. How will you know if your soil is great? Your friends, family and neighbors will all start talking about your huge healthy plants and what a green thumb you have. Green Thumbs are all about healthy soil.

When All Else Fails, Dig A Hole And Fill It With Potting Soil
If you don't want to go to all of that trouble, I have good news for you. The Lazy Person's Way To Great Roses: Dig a hole about 2 feet in diameter and 18 inches deep in whatever crappy soil you have. Pour a two cubic foot bag of nursery potting soil into the hole. Then go ahead and plant your rose. This method works like a charm, but can get a bit on the expensive side depending on how many roses you are planting.

http://www.rose-roses.com/culture/soilprep.html

[pandoraou812]

Hi, yes thats the 4th of July rose. I have a story behind my rose bush too. I was never supposed to be able to get pregnant after I had been on this medicine . I did and I have my wonderful daughter now 7 yrs old. ( I have older children too) My new husband was so happy & then we found out I was pregnant again. I fell and lost the baby. It was early on so it wasn't as hard as it could have been. I just was so sad that he sent me out one day & when I came home he planted a rose garden for the me & the lost baby. The forth of July rose was the special one in honor of the baby planted over a trellis, we have over a little angel under. The 4th of July is the hardiest and favorite of ours. It just keeps going strong and is so pretty with its stripes. It grew where I never thought it would and it sure is a hardy rose where I live in NJ. ~P~

[Quix]

Will have to check it out. thanks.

[Judith Anne]

I loved my 4th of July rose bush. It bloomed all season long, and made it through every kind of weather. Planted in rocky soil, with a rose jobe stick by it.

[Texas_shutterbug]

Me, me, me!

And due to unforeseen circumstances, I pruned too late, so my bushes are going to be very leggy this year. I'm just SICK about it. argggghhhhhhh

[Knitting A Conundrum]

They do get leggy without that serious pruning...but I've done some deep, but not all the way back type pruning in midseason before, and got some decent results.

[Knitting A Conundrum]

Here is the raised bed I built to hold my roses. It has a rhodenderon which I will be removing, and I need to add a good bit more soil.

[Dumpster Baby]

Anybody else out there nuts about roses?

I have roses that are nuts - insane and evil. My rose bushes are some kind of wild roses that an uncle of mine found in a field in 1935 and took a sample home to his mom, my paternal grandmother. That original rose cutting spread, was transplanted in various states during my dad's Navy career, and lives again in various places around the yard.

These evil roses reach out and try to claw me off the riding lawnmower every time I get near them. I have shredded clothes and scars to prove it. I have counter attacked with pruning shears often, and the roses counter-counter attack even more viciously. They won't die. They can't be killed. I face yet another bloody, bloody summer trying to keep them from ripping the awnings and siding off the house.

[Knitting A Conundrum]

Brambles!