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The 20 Greatest Historical Myths
Write Spirit ^ | 3/24/2007 | Noivedya Juddery

Posted on 03/24/2007 10:26:05 AM PDT by Dallas59

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To: SAJ; RightWhale
Sorry, typed too quickly and didn't proof. ''Treaty of Paris'' settled the American Revolution. Treaty of Ghent settled it a second time when the Brits came back for another go in 1812-1814.

Apols for the (frankly stupid) error.

21 posted on 03/24/2007 3:56:26 PM PDT by SAJ (debunking myths about markets and prices on FR since 2001)
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Still, we lack a sure understanding of what this 'history' thing actually is. Near as I can tell it is a compilation of not fallacies but incorrect names and dates. If this is all it is, even if the names and dates are complete and correct it is hardly something serious adults would study to the doctoral level and become professors of. The word had very definite and startlingly different meaning in its etymological root origin.


22 posted on 03/24/2007 3:59:18 PM PDT by RightWhale (Treaty rules;commerce droolz; Repeal the Treaty)
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Some of them are only semantically wrong. Edison did, so far as I know, invent the incandescent light. Washington was the first President of the US under the 1789 Constitution. BTW, is the date of Mithras's birth really any more certain than Jesus's?

Edison did indeed invent the first practical incandescent electric light. The article claims that "English scientist Sir Humphry Davy invented arc lighting (using a carbon filament)." Arc lighting does not use a filament... it uses an arc of electricity, a plasma. Arc lighting consumed the carbon rods at a fairly rapid pace, requires high voltages to initiate and maintain the arc, and produces high quantities of damaging ultraviolet wavelengths.

Another error is the article's claim that Captain Cook was not a captain. All persons in command of a ship are called "Captain" regardless of rank. Captain Bligh, famous for the Mutiny on the Bounty was actually Lieutenant William Bligh... when he was not in command.

23 posted on 03/24/2007 4:07:17 PM PDT by Swordmaker (Remember, the proper pronunciation of IE is "AAAAIIIIIEEEEEEE)
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Edison did indeed invent the first practical incandescent electric light.

I would expect the real "first incandescent light" was probably invented by accident when somebody overheated a thin piece of wire. Refining things to the point that a filament can be hot enough to provide useful illumination and yet last long enough to be usable were big improvements that required additional non-obvious discoveries.

24 posted on 03/24/2007 4:20:29 PM PDT by supercat (Sony delenda est.)
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To: RightWhale
Well said, absolutely.

Another alternative might be simply to insist, as a society, that the legendeers and revisionists be stripped quite publicly of their academic credentials, and consigned to -- say -- ''teach'' the English language in -- say -- Washington D.C.

Or, do you suppose that would be ''cruel and unusual punishment'' within the meaning of Amendment VIII ?

25 posted on 03/24/2007 4:21:22 PM PDT by SAJ (debunking myths about markets and prices on FR since 2001)
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. . . the author of this article misses out badly on at least two of his ''debunkments''.

More than two... see my previous post about a couple more... here is another:

The Magna Carta (Great Charter) is known as a landmark in history, limiting the power of the King of England and sowing the seeds of democracy. Paintings show King John reluctantly signing the Magna Carta in a meadow at Runnymede in 1215. Fair enough, except for one thing. As well as being a rogue, John was probably illiterate. As anyone could see from looking at one of the four original Magna Cartas in existence, he simply provided the royal seal. No signature required.

King John affixed his signature to the document by using his signet ring, a small, portable version of the royal seal that bears the signs signifying his authority and office. The very act of King John affixing his sign to the Magna Carta pre-dates the usage of "signature" as a word. From the Oxford English Dictionary:

"ORIGIN mid 16th cent.from medieval Latin signatura ‘signature of a sovereign on an official document,’ from Latin signare ‘to sign, mark.’

Handwritten signatures were a poor man's make-do for those who were not privileged to use a signet seal. Just because he did not write his name does not mean he did not sign the Magna Carta.

26 posted on 03/24/2007 4:34:18 PM PDT by Swordmaker (Remember, the proper pronunciation of IE is "AAAAIIIIIEEEEEEE)
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To: RightWhale
Still, we lack a sure understanding of what this 'history' thing actually is. Near as I can tell it is a compilation of not fallacies but incorrect names and dates. If this is all it is, even if the names and dates are complete and correct it is hardly something serious adults would study to the doctoral level and become professors of. The word had very definite and startlingly different meaning in its etymological root origin.

"When the legend become fact, print the legend!" - from The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance.

Check out Robert Wuhl's "Assume the Position with Mr. Wuhl"

27 posted on 03/24/2007 4:54:44 PM PDT by Swordmaker (Remember, the proper pronunciation of IE is "AAAAIIIIIEEEEEEE)
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BTW, is the date of Mithras's birth really any more certain than Jesus's?

It's interesting that the author mentions that as only one theory concerning the birth of Christ.

In consideration of today's (well, tomorrow's) date, a better explanation from a Christian perspective follows. Christian's celebrated, and still do today, the beginning of the Incarnation of our Lord on the feast day of the Annunciation - March 25th. Skipping the details of why this is so (it is related to Pascha, i.e. Easter, and the Julian Calendar, etc.), the celebration of the Nativity (Christmas) was set exactly nine months later on the 25th of December for obvious reasons.

28 posted on 03/24/2007 11:06:44 PM PDT by TotusTuus
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To: Dallas59
Fine, but Cook was actually a Lieutenant when he sailed to the Great South Land.

The commander of a ship is always referred to as Captain, regardless of his actual rank.

29 posted on 03/25/2007 10:32:51 AM PDT by Sherman Logan (I didn't claw my way to the top of the food chain to be a vegetarian.)
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To further besmirch his memory, it should also be noted that he never set foot on mainland America. The closest he came was the Bahamas.

"Columbus, on his fourth and final voyage, landed on the American mainland for the first time near present-day Trujillo, Honduras. The day was 14 August 1502, and he named the place Honduras (‘depths’ in Spanish) for the deep waters off the north coast."

http://www.newint.org/columns/country/2007/01/01/honduras/

30 posted on 03/25/2007 10:35:52 AM PDT by Sherman Logan (I didn't claw my way to the top of the food chain to be a vegetarian.)
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there is no evidence whatsoever, biblical or otherwise, that He was actually ... born in a manger

Luke 2:7 "And she brought forth her firstborn son, and wrapped him in swaddling clothes, and laid him in a manger; because there was no room for them in the inn."

Nobody ever said he was "born" in a manger, which would be pretty awkward at best. He was born in a stable, then laid down in a manger.

I give up. These "debunkings of myth" are usually just loaded with inaccuracies.

31 posted on 03/25/2007 10:40:09 AM PDT by Sherman Logan (I didn't claw my way to the top of the food chain to be a vegetarian.)
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Eight years later, as a revered war hero, Washington himself became America's first popularly elected President - but strictly speaking, the FIFTEENTH President!

America has never had a "popularly elected President." Presidents are elected by the Electoral College, or occasionally by the House of Representatives.

32 posted on 03/25/2007 10:41:43 AM PDT by Sherman Logan (I didn't claw my way to the top of the food chain to be a vegetarian.)
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To: Dallas59
Snopes.com takes issue with the John Hanson as first President myth.

I see nothing here about Catherine the Great and the Horse, or who's buried in Grant's Tomb (that last one stumped me for decades -- I thought the trick answer was "President Grant and Mrs. Grant").

33 posted on 03/25/2007 10:51:49 AM PDT by x
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