Strange Craft (Clear UFO Photos? Updates at Post #307, #489, #502, #601 & #712-Chad to speak!)

Last month (April 2007), my wife and I were on a walk when we noticed a very large, very strange "craft" in the sky. My wife took a picture with her cell phone camera (first photo below). A few days later a friend (and neighbor) lent me his camera and came with me to take photos of this "craft". We found it and took a number of very clear photos. Picture #4 is taken from right below this thing and I must give my friend credit as I was not brave enough to get close enough to take this picture myself!

The craft is almost completely silent and moves very smoothly. It usually moves slowly until it decides to take off. Then it moves VERY quickly and is out of sight in the blink of an eye. MORE THAN ANYTHING I simply want to understand what this is and why it is here?

We found your show with Google and I have listened for a few nights now. I have decided that if anyone can help me understand what this thing is, it is you and your audience. I must admit I am deeply unsettled by this thing. I have never seen anything like this in my life... Location: I would prefer not to say for now.

DungeonMaster originally said — “Probably not a genuine UFO since there is no live on any other planets, per the bible.”

Then later on null and void said — “You have claimed the Bible specifically says there is no life elsewhere in the universe. Justify your claim. Be specific. It is a very specific, simple, straightforward. clear and absolute claim.”

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There are a lot of things that come into this, from many different angles.

The very first is that all that was made or has been made or has ever existed or lives or was ever given life (outside of the uncaused, uncreated, self-existent God of the Bible, in the form of the Trinity, God the Father, Son and Holy Spirit) — has been created by this God (the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob).

So, the question here is what did God make and create in the way of life, in the universe?

Well we are told that He made the angels, different classes of them, and they were created to carry out His bidding. They are specifically His “messengers” to do His bidding. And we see that these angels are also called to “account” for what they are doing, too — by what we see in Job.

Furthermore, everything is under God’s control in that they have to seek permission for doing certain things, as in the case of Satan, as He went to “present himself before the Lord” (it says “Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord”). The sons of God are the various angels that God has created, individually, as we’re told they do not procreate. They are created and that’s it for them.

Mankind procreates, so only Adam was the original “son of God” in the sense that he was “made out of whole cloth” (so to speak) as the individual angels were. All the people after Adam (with the exception of Eve, as she was a special creation *from Adam*) — are “sons of man”. So, we have the “sons of God” and the “sons of man” in the Bible.

Jesus, by the way, is also referred to as the “Son of man”, in that He was God, but has been “incarnated” in human form. And also, in another play on words, I suspect, in that Adam was head of the race and was a “son of God” (being a special creation of God), likewise Jesus is the “Son of Man” being a “special creation” of God (in His *incarnation* only, though), and thus, the “new head of the race” — replacing Adam’s failed “headship” in the Garden of Eden.

Now, in the Garden of Eden, the entirety of creation, all of creation, was subjected to *judgement* on account of Adam and Eve (but laid to Adam’s account as the head of the race, of the sons of man) — because of sin. At that point, everything that was before, was changed, throughout the universe and it was all subjected to “futility” and decay and death. Prior to that point, when everthing was made, it operated and functioned under different laws and rules, as God originally created it. Afterwards, death and decay entered into the entirety of creation. And “afterwards” (when we “fast forward” to the end of the entire “story of mankind”) we see that it will once again be “recreated” back to its original and perfect condition, through what we’re told in the Bible, and all will be made new again — the old being totally destroyed and obliterated, and the “new” — which is actually a reversion back to the “original” will once again be in place.

So, before that happens, all will be judged (that’s at the Great White Throne judgement). And after that, the entirety of creation is destroyed and remade. And from that point on, all those who have been with Christ (and those angels, too who did not rebel, 1/3 did and they’re cast into the lake of fire) — live with God, forevermore, in this new creation that He makes at this time, totally and completely replacing the old creationk, which has been subjected to death, decay and futility.

Now, we know that all that has ever existed has only come from God, Himself, and we see what the final state of “being” is — in that God tells us that it’s to be mankind, living in perfect peace and harmony with God and the angels, after the complete destruction of the old creation, with the “recreation” of the new, back to the original state as it was when God first created it.

So, one might want to say that, “Well, there are others out there that live in civilizations that we just don’t know about, because we weren’t told about them. Well, if so, then God knows about them, since He is the One that created them. And furthermore, it would appear to be like “throwing them away” — when the entirety of creation is destroyed and they are destroyed as part of that creation.

We’re part of that creation, too, along with the angels, however, we will be with God, because of Jesus, coming into the domain of mankind, in forming Himself as a *real man* (that’s why theology makes a strong point of Jesus being fully man and fully God) — in order to provide “salvation” for mankind. And you see, the *blame* for the entire creations being subjected to *death and decay* is laid at the feet of mankind, itself. So, it takes the “salvation” of mankind, through Jesus Christ — to restore the entirety of creation back to its pristine condition.

BUT, if there is another civilization out there, can you imagine how upset they would be knowing that mankind caused their civilization to experience death and disease and decay for the first time, something for which they had nothing to do with? And furthermore, can you imagine that other civilization feeling left out, because apparently, they have nothing (no part) in this salvation and nothing to do with earth and earth seems to be getting the *full attention* of God — to the point where God punished the *entirety* of creation, itself — for something that happened on earth?

Yep, that would seem to make for some mighty pissed civilizations, all right. LOL...

The point of the whole matter is that when you realize that God is the source for creation, and you realize that all of creation was subjected to death and decay for something that happened *exclusively* to mankind, alone, and you realize that one of the “Godhead” becomes an *actual human being* (and no one part of the Godhead becomes any other “alien race” of peoples) — that would definitely give any other alien race a *real inferiority complex* all right. And like I said — they would probably start getting really, really pissed about the whole thing, not only suffering for what they had no part of in the first place, but furthermore, having the Creator God actually *become* a human being, and on top of that, have that race of human beings, being so exclusively singled out, that when they are “saved” and all is said and done — then and only then, is the entirety of creation brought back to its pristine and original state. And furthermore — it’s *only* that human race that is spoken about “living with God Himself, and no one else is.”

Man!! Talk about *being left out* — if I were any other alien race in space, I would be trying to *destroy* these humans...

BUT, in fact, that’s happening. There is another “race” you see..., it’s the angels. And they are “pissed” — actually. Well, some of them are, you see. Those 1/2 who rebelled against God, because they figured that God had “gone off on the deep end” when He showed so much favoritism to the humans — when, everyone knows, the “angels” were here first! And those humans are so ignorant and puny anyway — so why do they get all the advantages?

And so, what we *do have* is an alien race — actually *attacking* the human race and has been doing so for a long time. Those are the fallen angels, the 1/3 who rebelled against God and His plan on how to restore the entirety of creation back to its original and pristine state. They figure that they will try to *attack* the *very object* of God’s attention, in a way to “get back at God, Himself”.

So, there’s the story. If you can insert another “alien race” in there, feel free to do so. But, whoever you insert in there, just remember — they are going to be *might pissed* at us, for messing things up for them, too...

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And to throw in another post here, Post #326 from Oberon...

You could also argue from a Biblical perspective that there is, in fact, life on other planets. From the Gospel of John:

“I am the good shepherd; I know my sheep and my sheep know me — just as the Father knows me and I know the Father—and I lay down my life for the sheep. I have other sheep that are not of this sheep pen. I must bring them also. They too will listen to my voice, and there shall be one flock and one shepherd.” - John 10:14-16

I wouldn’t argue that extraterrestrial life is the only possible interpretation of the above verse, but I would argue that it’s a possible one.

Like I said above, that possible “life on other planets” (supposedly in the form of civilizations) would be *might pissed* at us for messing up their lives so thoroughly, in that we brougth death, disease, decay and the ultimate and coming *total destruction* of creation — by God’s hands.

Man..., if they saw us — they would probably give us a “big collective punch in the nose!” for doing that to them...

But, also, like I said — that’s already happening now, and that other “alien race” are those fallen angels who are trying to *destroy* humanity right now. So, they are doing all they can to accomplish that very thing...

They figure that if “they’re going down” — they’re going to “take us down with them...”

Regards,
Star Traveler

You said — “Genesis 6:4 “There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.”

I read this as relations between Terran wimin and people from outer space.

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Yep, those people from “outer space” were the angels.

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And then — “Rather physical relations for purely spiritual Angels.”

Yep, it was rather physical, but angels are not “spiritual” in the sense that they don’t have physical form and don’t exist in physical bodies. The Bible, itself, warns people that they have “entertained angels” unaware that they are angels, so it says to be hospitable, because you may be entertaining such a being, as an angel — here on earth.

They can talk to you, have a physical appearance and touch, they can hold your hands, touch you, they can eat, walk around and do all the things that humans can do, and *more*. They do have the capability for some kind of (perhaps) interdimensional travel, as they can literally *disappear* while in plain sight, being there and in the very next second, not be there.

It’s like the physical body that Jesus had, after the resurrection, the body in which it could be touched, He could eat, he would walk around and talk with people, and yet — at the same time, it was much more in that He could literally come into a room without going through a door, merely “appearing” in front of people. And, He would literally *disappear* in front of people. That wasn’t Jesus before He died and resurrected — but *after* He was resurrected and given the “glorified” and permanent body (not this “earthly body” that we all presently have). The angels all have that same capability, as Jesus has in His glorified body — and like all Christians will have in their future and glorified bodies, too.

In the New Testaments, we see that these angels who *violated* their original commands to “stay away from those earthly women” (i.e., they “abandoned their established and given domain”) — were punished by being placed in prison and being held there until judgement day, at which time they will be cast into the lake of fire, for their actions in Genesis (taking the women and cohabiting with them).

The other fallen angels are not cast into prison but are allowed to still freely roam around and exercise a certain degree of freedom and choice (although within the limits and boundaries established by God). However, these particular angels *extremely violated* the commands of God, which is the reason he cast them into prison and keeps them there until the future judgement day, and that’s also the reason why the earth was destroyed by the flood, to rid the entire earth of any life form that would have been polluted by these unions.

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And then you said — “This is Biblical Proof that there is life elsewhere in the universe.”

There is life elsewhere in the universe, because God created it and He told us about it. They are those many different classes of angels, all created to do His bidding. We’ve known about that “other life” in the universe long before any popular discussion of UFOs ever began.

To put it in a more *clear light* as to what was going on with those angels and why they were cohabiting with the women of earth, we can see a couple of factors there.

One, was that, first of all, they were the fallen angels and had already *rebelled* against God. Thus, they were no longer acting in a righteous manner or doing the full bidding of God. God did allow this to happen and knew very well (from the beginning) that it would happen. In fact, God created the race of human beings, in order to *show His righteousness* and to show how His *judgements* are perfect. The human race is actually a “showcase” for the universe — to “put on display” who *God* is — not so much who the “human race” is. And in doing so, this exposes who the human race is and it also exposes who the fallen angels are (for those 1/3 who did fall and have rebelled against God).

So, being no longer concerned with the righteousness of God, those certain fallen angels also fell into lust with those women. You can just see that very thing happening, once someone (or any being) decides that they are no longer going to be concerned with the righteousness of God), they will certainly go into a “headlong downfall” in short order. And that is what happened with these particular fallen angels. And I’m sure they knew that their days were numbered, so they decided to “make the best of it” while the “gettin’ was good”...

But, there is another sinister aspect to this particular account. It starts in the Garden of Eden, where it is told that a Savior would come, from the race of mankind (that is now who we know as Jesus, the Messiah of Israel, who is, besides being *fully God* — is also *fully man* being complete in *every single way*). The fallen angels are out to thwart the plan of God and it appears that they were also *jealous* of the special attention that God placed in mankind. So, it appears that they were also out to *destroy* mankind, and thus destroy God’s plan in that a savior would come out of mankind to save the human race, in the end.

As it stood, at that point in the Garden of Eden, mankind was *forever doomed* and could never recover! God gave that promise and continued to *expand* on that promise over the next few thousand years, until the “fullness of time” and Jesus, the Messiah of Israel did arrive.

The “forever doomed” mankind, found salvation in Jesus and thus, was rescued from the “eternal damnation” that Satan had *engineered* in the Garden of Eden, as a sort of “rebuke” to God (if you can imagine that...).

This causes the fallen angels to be *that much more aggravated* at God for doing what He’s doing, so they are determined to *finish off* the human race, once and for all, so that the Messiah cannot come through the human race any longer — because the human race *won’t exist*. Thus, they figure, they will have *brilliantly* defeated God.

At first, it looks like their plan is succeeding. Certain of the angels come down, giving up their previous positions, and live with and have sexual relations with the women of earth (hence the “daughters of man” having relations with the “sons of God” [everywhere the Bible mentions “sons of God” it is always referring to angels, except for the instance of Adam, where he is also called a “son of God” being that he was a “special creation” by the hand of God, like all the angels were].

So, the angels *were not human* (i.e., of the human “race”). They were a special creation and race. Thus, what was created between the one race and the other race — was a *hybrid* race — which was *no longer human* but of an altogether different hybrid race.

And if that *continued* for very long — eventually the “hybrids” would take over and eventually breed out the “non-hybrids” (or the *human race*). And *that* — was their plan for the *destruction* of the human race.

NOW, from *that plan* and their implementation of that plan, you can see *why* God had to bring a “world-wide flood” to destroy the *entirety* of the human race (i.e., “hybrid race”) off the face of this earth — totally and completely! Otherwise, there would always be hybrids around to intermingle and *pollute the gene pool* and eventually wipe out the human gene pool.

That’s why God says of Noah and his family —

Genesis 6:8-9

8 But Noah found grace in the eyes of the Lord.

9 This is the genealogy of Noah. Noah was a just man, perfect in his generations. Noah walked with God.

10 And Noah begot three sons: Shem, Ham, and Japheth.

It’s been curious to a lot of people about this “genealogy thing” there. And furthermore, about “perfection in his generations”.

But, in light of the “pollution of the gene pool” and the fallen angels desire to destroy and finish off the human race (as “God’s special creation”) and substitute a race of their own making (i.e, the “hybrids”) — then it makes sense. Noah (and his family, which would include his wife, sons and daugthers-in-law, of which Noah was the “head”) was *perfect* in his “genealogical lines” being “pure” in his family’s gene pool and “unpolluted” in this genes being traced back to the beginning with Adam and Eve. In other words — there were *no hybrids* anywhere in Noah’s line or in his family’s.

And so, Noah and his sons and daughters-in-law being saved — represented the *saving of the human race* in the manner that God had created it (not polluted by hybrids) and thus — *preserving* God’s plan that He said He would carry out — in *saving mankind* from a son who would be born of the human race — namely, Jesus, the Messiah of Israel (i.e., being *fully man* — as God had *originally* created mankind — and not “born of a hybrid”).

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And there you have it — not only alien life forms in outer space, but hybrids here on earth... what a story the Bible tells! This is better than Star Trek or Babylon 5....

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