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Does NSPD 51 mean what I think it does? Is the president taking over the entire federal government?
whitehouse ^ | 5-22-07 | grapeape

Posted on 05/22/2007 11:29:27 AM PDT by grapeape

Seems the president wants the option to takeover the entire federal government in case another disaster hits the US. I do not see why the entire federal government needs to be taken over in case one part of the country is hit by a crisis?

Look at this one "(b) "Catastrophic Emergency" means any incident, regardless of location, that results in extraordinary levels of mass casualties, damage, or disruption severely affecting the U.S. population, infrastructure, environment, economy, or government functions" This could mean anything.

This one right here is really weird "(6) The President shall lead the activities of the Federal Government for ensuring constitutional government." Is he saying the same thing that other despots have said when taking over their governments? A republican? I don't get this at all. The Republican Party has come a long way from '94 and I do not like it at all.

It seems to me that the old blue bloods have taken over and they are from my home state. What do ya'll think? Am I going over board here?


TOPICS: Conspiracy
KEYWORDS: dictatorship; hspd20; iwish; martiallaw; presidency; tyranny
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To: wideawake

wideawake’s got it right. The directive ensures that a constitutional government continues in the event of catastrophic attack, etc. (like a nuke in DC).


21 posted on 05/22/2007 12:11:35 PM PDT by TexasAg1996
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To: grapeape
He is going to take complete power to ensure separation of powers??

That is not what it says.

Nowhere does it say that the President "takes complete power."

It says that he is supposed to lead the activities of the Federal Government in ensuring constitutional government.

Scenario: DC is destroyed, the President, all the Congressmen and Supreme Court justices are lost.

Directive would then oblige the Presidential successor to make sure that orderly elections are held in each Congressional district to restore Congress, and then nominate judges before this newly empaneled Congress.

22 posted on 05/22/2007 12:17:24 PM PDT by wideawake ("Pearl Harbor is America's fault, right, Mommy?" - Ron Paul, age 6, 12/7/1941)
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To: grapeape
What are they talking about?

Who authorizes disclosure of the directive?

The President.

If it is on the President's website, then he has authorized its disclosure.

They can say it but we can’t talk about it?

We're talking about it right now, smart guy.

23 posted on 05/22/2007 12:19:26 PM PDT by wideawake ("Pearl Harbor is America's fault, right, Mommy?" - Ron Paul, age 6, 12/7/1941)
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To: wideawake
Ok, I'll accept your rational for the DC scenario. Cool.

The problem is that he can retain that power if this "(b) "Catastrophic Emergency" means any incident, regardless of location, that results in extraordinary levels of mass casualties, damage, or disruption severely affecting the U.S. population, infrastructure, environment, economy, or government functions" Happens.

I am not some nut guys. I have been posting here for years.

Turn this situation around. What if this would have come out of the Clinton White House? I am sure it will when Hillary gets elected.
24 posted on 05/22/2007 12:22:55 PM PDT by grapeape (Republican blue-bloods are not from the northeast anymore)
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To: grapeape

Is this a power granted the president under martial law?

http://members.tripod.com/~Sidlinger/ml.html


25 posted on 05/22/2007 1:24:47 PM PDT by wolfcreek (Calling Libs *rats* is hate-speech against rodents.)
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To: grapeape
I have mixed feelings about this myself. During the sinkmaster administration similar EOs were published relating to national emergencies. I recall one one that laid out some rather disturbing scenarios involving FEMA.

Now comes Dubya with this order, which I believe is a simplified and somewhat more palatable replacement for Clinton’s policy (which begs the question, why now, after six years?).

The constitution does not provide absolute power to the executive under any circumstances, and that’s good, because there would be much opportunity for abuse of such a provision. But one has to be a realist about things and have contingencies in place nonetheless. I don’t believe this society would survive a prolonged period of anarchy. Some of us have our own plans for what we would do and where we would go if TSHTF, but here there are plenty who are clueless or otherwise unable to take care of themselves. These people would be better served by an extra-constitutional plan to restore order than by no plan at all, sad but true.

As for me, I am blessed to be in a temperate zone with ample habitable wilderness within 30 minutes of home, and I am confident I could live off the land any time of year, at the same time making use of other skills and equipment to network with kindred folk worldwide. So I’ll just be temporarily out of the way.

26 posted on 05/23/2007 8:54:57 PM PDT by Clinging Bitterly (Oregon - a pro-militia and firearms state that looks just like Afghanistan .)
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