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Bush grants presidency extraordinary powers
WorldNetDaily.com ^ | May 23, 2007 | WND

Posted on 05/23/2007 7:00:50 AM PDT by cbkaty

LAW OF THE LAND

Order for emergencies apparently gives authority without congressional oversight

President Bush has signed an executive order granting extraordinary powers to the office of the president in the event of a declared national emergency, apparently without congressional approval or oversight.

The order was signed May 9 without any announcement, says Jerome R. Corsi in a WND column.

Titled, "National Security and Homeland Security Presidential Directive," it was issued with the dual designation of NSPD-51, as a National Security Presidential Directive, and HSPD-20, as a Homeland Security Presidential Directive.

The order establishes under the office of the president a new national continuity coordinator whose job is to make plans for "National Essential Functions" of all federal, state, local, territorial and tribal governments, as well as private sector organizations to continue functioning under the president's directives in the event of a national emergency.

"Catastrophic emergency" is loosely defined as "any incident, regardless of location, that results in extraordinary levels of mass casualties, damage, or disruption severely affecting the U.S. population, infrastructure, environment, economy, or government functions."

Corsi says the president can assume the power to direct any and all government and business activities until the emergency is declared over.

The executive order says the assistant to the president for Homeland Security and Counterterrorism, currently Frances Fragos Townsend, would be designated as the national continuity coordinator.

Corsi says the executive order makes no attempt to reconcile the powers created for the national continuity coordinator with the National Emergency Act, which requires that such proclamation "shall immediately be transmitted to the Congress and published in the Federal Register."

A Congressional Research Service study notes the National Emergency Act sets up Congress as a balance empowered to "modify, rescind, or render dormant" such emergency authority if Congress believes the president has acted inappropriately.

But the new executive order appears to supersede the National Emergency Act by creating the new position of national continuity coordinator without any specific act of Congress authorizing the position, Corsi says.

The order also makes no reference to Congress and its language appears to negate any a requirement that the president submit to Congress a determination that a national emergency exists.

It suggests instead that the powers of the executive order can be implemented without any congressional approval or oversight.

Homeland Security spokesman Russ Knocke affirmed to Corsi the Homeland Security Department would implement the requirements of the order under Townsend's direction.

The White House declined to comment on the order.


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Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm........

What would we say if this were Clinton?

1 posted on 05/23/2007 7:00:52 AM PDT by cbkaty
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To: cbkaty
What would we say if this were Clinton?

It will be--eventually.

This sucks.

2 posted on 05/23/2007 7:02:22 AM PDT by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: cbkaty

It is something that we as a nation should be prepared for....but it needs the input of all three branches of government...if they are capable of discussing it.


3 posted on 05/23/2007 7:04:17 AM PDT by P-40 (Al Qaeda was working in Iraq. They were just undocumented.)
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To: cbkaty

Bush has gotten to completely out of control, I’m starting to miss Clinton.


4 posted on 05/23/2007 7:05:19 AM PDT by Psycho_Bunny
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To: cbkaty

Get ready for planet X.

lol


5 posted on 05/23/2007 7:06:37 AM PDT by taxed2death (A few billion here, a few trillion there...we're all friends right?)
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To: Psycho_Bunny

Are you serious?


6 posted on 05/23/2007 7:07:11 AM PDT by SolidWood (Save America: Thompson/Hunter 2008)
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To: Psycho_Bunny
"Bush has gotten to completely out of control, I’m starting to miss Clinton."

LOL!

7 posted on 05/23/2007 7:11:19 AM PDT by Designer
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To: cbkaty

ominous, if a democrat were to issue an EO along the likes of this, there would be howls of protest here.

I recall the latter days of the clinton presidency when this website was rife with rumours and handwringing over clintons “imminent” power grab...along with EOs, FEMA, and civilian detention centers

I know, don’t tell me, it is a different world now and the adults are now in charge, not to worry.


8 posted on 05/23/2007 7:12:46 AM PDT by fod (We are dancing on a volcano)
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To: cbkaty

“Corsi says the president can assume the power to direct any and all government and business activities until the emergency is declared over. “

Corsi has been so out on the edge recently, I can barely seem him. I don’t know if I would believe much unless a lot of reputable sources back him up.

I’m not saying he is lying or anything, some of the stuff I’m hearing would take a bit of research to confirm. Is he angling for Art Bell’s audience?

So many conspiracies and too little time...


9 posted on 05/23/2007 7:13:53 AM PDT by listenhillary (Democrats are sacrificing civilization for political power)
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To: cbkaty
"What would we say if this were Clinton?"

That is not how you should look at this.

We should say the same thing; NO!

10 posted on 05/23/2007 7:13:55 AM PDT by Designer
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To: cbkaty

Probably what the democrats are saying now.


11 posted on 05/23/2007 7:15:43 AM PDT by stuartcr (Everything happens as God wants it to.....otherwise, things would be different.)
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To: cbkaty

Laying the foundation for the Hildabeast?


12 posted on 05/23/2007 7:21:28 AM PDT by traditional1
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To: listenhillary
From the article: "The order was signed May 9 without any announcement, says Jerome R. Corsi in a WND column."

There was a thread posted yesterday that linked to the document itself. Posted on the White House website. Corsi's fallen off the edge.

13 posted on 05/23/2007 7:30:12 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: cbkaty; Millee; carlr; Maximus of Texas; EX52D; ontap; StephenTX; wallcrawlr; Auntbee; ...
Re: The order was signed May 9 without any announcement...

& The White House declined to comment on the order.

Hummmmmmmm... Indeed, I say, taking a break from the salt mines.

That is always the problem with what this congers up...

If we suddenly found the Islamic Terrorists/North Korea/Hugo Chavez/etc... had nuked DC and a few other cities and/or set off one 100 miles up over the Midwest, causing widespread loss of all power via the nuclear EMP, we would need fast, firm action.

While I do not always agree with W, I would follow his orders whether the Dems cried unconstitutional or not.

A Benign Dictatorship has always been touted as the most efficient form of government even when fully recognizing that absolute power corrupts absolutely...

In that light, I would not blindly obey anything I could not do in my own good conscious. Of course, a lot of what I consider in my own good conscious would make any liberal Democrat squirm, sweat and smell like 5 pounds of manure squeezed into a two pound sack.

That aside, authority like this is only as good as the authority applying it. With just about any Conservative Republican hereabouts, I could follow their lead. However, just about any and all the Dems (outside Zell Miller or Joe Lieberman) and RINOs I consider just a hair above the Islamic Terrorists/North Korea/Hugo Chavez/etc...

The main thing that bothers me about this is the parts I posted above. This was done not in secret, but it was done very, very low key. And neither the Demos nor the Drive By Media have jumped on it. That makes me sweat a little...

What do they know we don't know...

It makes me a little jumpy as I expect we are due another hit. We have not done all we can to either win this war or protect our borders and even with the best of intentions, we have to be 100 percent alert 100 percent of the time and be at the right place at the right time each and every time. Our foes have to be in the right place at the right time only once...

I live 56 miles south of Dallas and during the cold war I knew the prevailing winds would blow the fallout from a DFW nuke blast right down my alley. I am having that same fear once more...

Okay, now I must get back to sorting, packing and whatsnot...

14 posted on 05/23/2007 7:43:40 AM PDT by Bender2 (A 'Good Yankee' comes down to Texas, then goes back north. A 'Damn Yankee' stays... Damn it!)
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To: Bender2
Congress can make anything come to a halt and they've proved it many, many times. It was THE BIG REASON why the President was given the exclusive power of Commander and Chief. It was the lesson of OUR revolutionary war.

Wonder what Congress would have said about Truman just before the big bomb went off.

15 posted on 05/23/2007 7:49:15 AM PDT by Sacajaweau ("The Cracker" will be renamed "The Crapper")
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To: SolidWood
Of course I'm serious.  I never had any expectations of President Clinton.  I never gave him money or supported him, so he never, ever let me down.

Other than a few minor victories here and there, Bush has done nothing but disappoint.  His ridiculously weak leadership is destroying the Republican Party.

You think 2006 sucked? Wait 'til 2008.  The Dems will probably own the House, Senate and Presidency, and the brunt of that slaughter of conservatism will be laid at the feet of the fickle leadership George Bush.

 

16 posted on 05/23/2007 7:57:01 AM PDT by Psycho_Bunny
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To: Bender2
congers up...

How did eels get into the discussion?

17 posted on 05/23/2007 8:00:20 AM PDT by LantzALot
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To: cbkaty; Abram; akatel; albertp; AlexandriaDuke; Alexander Rubin; Allosaurs_r_us; amchugh; ...
"Corsi says the president can assume the power to direct any and all government and business activities until the emergency is declared over."





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18 posted on 05/23/2007 8:04:57 AM PDT by traviskicks (http://www.neoperspectives.com/Ron_Paul_2008.htm)
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To: cbkaty
Bush grants presidency extraordinary powers

They were not his to grant.. per the 10th amendment. All powers not granted to the government by the constitution reside with the people.

19 posted on 05/23/2007 8:07:38 AM PDT by Rodney King (No, we can't all just get along.)
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To: SolidWood
Are you serious?

If you recall, when Clinton was President, the GOP Congress had principle, and argued our cause forcefully in the government and in public. We defeated socialist health care, and almost closed down many government programs. If Clinton was president, this immigration bill would not be happening, the medicare bill would not have happened, etc. Because the congress would have argued forcefully against it and won in the eye of the public. Clinton would have demurred for fear of losing popular support.

Now we just have a bunch of big government jackasses all around.

20 posted on 05/23/2007 8:10:31 AM PDT by Rodney King (No, we can't all just get along.)
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To: P-40

I do wonder if he knows of an impending attack that would actually require such powers....that senario is a possibility.


21 posted on 05/23/2007 8:11:31 AM PDT by cbkaty (I may not always post...but I am always here......)
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To: P-40

I do wonder if he knows of an impending attack that would actually require such powers....that senario is a possibility.


22 posted on 05/23/2007 8:11:34 AM PDT by cbkaty (I may not always post...but I am always here......)
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To: cbkaty

This is old news.


23 posted on 05/23/2007 8:11:46 AM PDT by DreamsofPolycarp (Ron Paul in '08)
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To: traviskicks

Reading — Empire by Orson Scott Card, fiction but fascinating. Relevant to this thread.

I could see the need for any President to have this power. Could it be abused? Sure, but presidents also have their finger on the nuclear button.

Which is more dangerous?


24 posted on 05/23/2007 8:12:06 AM PDT by listenhillary (Democrats are sacrificing civilization for political power)
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To: cbkaty

I bet threats about that sort of thing come in all the time.


25 posted on 05/23/2007 8:14:03 AM PDT by P-40 (Al Qaeda was working in Iraq. They were just undocumented.)
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To: cbkaty
I blame Katrina. Bush couldn’t legally send aid until the dumb-o-crat governot asked.

Then he was blamed for the slow response...

26 posted on 05/23/2007 8:15:37 AM PDT by null and void (Carter calling Bush worst president in U.S. history is like Michael Moore calling Ann Coulter fat...)
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To: Rodney King
All power which We The People do not jealously guard is ultimately seized by the government.
27 posted on 05/23/2007 8:20:26 AM PDT by null and void (Carter calling Bush worst president in U.S. history is like Michael Moore calling Ann Coulter fat...)
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To: null and void

Which powers have we jelously guarded recently?

Not being combative, but is there ANYTHING that would make joe 6 pack stand up and say “Now you’ve done it. You’ve gone too far.”


28 posted on 05/23/2007 8:24:05 AM PDT by listenhillary (Democrats are sacrificing civilization for political power)
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To: traviskicks
“”Corsi says the president can assume the power to direct any and all government and business activities until the emergency is declared over.” “

You mean like FDR did during WWII?

29 posted on 05/23/2007 8:28:01 AM PDT by SoCal Pubbie
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To: listenhillary

*sigh* No.


30 posted on 05/23/2007 8:28:53 AM PDT by null and void (Carter calling Bush worst president in U.S. history is like Michael Moore calling Ann Coulter fat...)
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To: null and void

Well shutting off professional sports broadcasts would probably do it.

5 million man march on Washington


31 posted on 05/23/2007 8:31:03 AM PDT by listenhillary (Democrats are sacrificing civilization for political power)
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To: All

Maybe it’s a good idea to actually read the document in question before going nuts:

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2007/05/20070509-12.html

“(e) “Enduring Constitutional Government,” or “ECG,” means a cooperative effort among the executive, legislative, and judicial branches of the Federal Government, coordinated by the President, as a matter of comity with respect to the legislative and judicial branches and with proper respect for the constitutional separation of powers among the branches, to preserve the constitutional framework under which the Nation is governed and the capability of all three branches of government to execute constitutional responsibilities and provide for orderly succession, appropriate transition of leadership, and interoperability and support of the National Essential Functions during a catastrophic emergency;”

“(a) Ensuring the continued functioning of our form of government under the Constitution, including the functioning of the three separate branches of government;”


32 posted on 05/23/2007 8:32:29 AM PDT by SoCal Pubbie
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To: SoCal Pubbie

Chalk up another vote for “Corsi selling books by feeding the conspiracy brigade”?

We need people paying attention, we need alarmists. We also need to weigh what they are saying with other perspectives and going to the original sources for clarification.


33 posted on 05/23/2007 8:40:05 AM PDT by listenhillary (Democrats are sacrificing civilization for political power)
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To: SoCal Pubbie
Abraham Lincoln once asked his son "If you call a tail a leg, how many legs does a dog have?"

Tad replied, "Five."

"No son, he has four, calling it a leg doesn't make it a leg."

34 posted on 05/23/2007 8:43:25 AM PDT by null and void (Carter calling Bush worst president in U.S. history is like Michael Moore calling Ann Coulter fat...)
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To: cbkaty; ShadowAce
"What would we say if this were Clinton?"

I've wondered that many times, especially when I see people on here defending crap like this, who would be raising total hell if Clinton would have done it. Just like ShadowAce said, soon it will be Clinton or some other authoritarian liberal. People should be mindful of the fact that all of these additional authoritarian powers the government is bringing to itself, and with the blessing of many FReepers, will someday be wielded by liberal democrats. THEN, those FReepers will suddenly have a problem with the government doing such things and it will be too late....

35 posted on 05/23/2007 8:50:03 AM PDT by KoRn (Just Say NO ....To Liberal Republicans - FRED THOMPSON FOR PRESIDENT!)
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To: DreamsofPolycarp
This is old news.

.....and your point is? A search did NOT display a previous post....

Is that you Mr. President?

36 posted on 05/23/2007 8:53:42 AM PDT by cbkaty (I may not always post...but I am always here......)
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To: cbkaty

This is very unusual . . . I’m beginning to suspect that the people saying we have already had our last national election are onto something. But that would mean I’m thinking like a believer in conspiracies. Oh, no! You mean to say that down deep we are all stupid ‘sheeple?’ Baaad Baaad. Really, really Baaad Baaad.


37 posted on 05/23/2007 9:09:09 AM PDT by ex-Texan (Matthew 7: 1 - 6)
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To: cbkaty
The position of folks on this board is that it doesn't matter how terrible the president is as long as he is a republican.

He could eat a live baby at a press conference and posters on this board would applaud his "boldness" in the face of massive democratic criticism...

38 posted on 05/23/2007 10:17:46 AM PDT by Remember_Salamis (A nation which can prefer disgrace to danger is prepared for a master, and deserves one!)
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To: Bender2

Be Ever Vigilant ~ buy lotsa ammo and pray!


39 posted on 05/23/2007 11:10:48 AM PDT by blackie (Be Well~Be Armed~Be Safe~Molon Labe!)
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To: traditional1

God help us.


40 posted on 05/23/2007 11:46:34 AM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: cbkaty

Why is this needed when we have the National Emergency Act? What in the Constitution gives the executive the authority to cut out the other branches, and to take over management of the states and of private business?

That emergency definition would have applied to the northeast electrical outage of a couple of years ago, as well as Katrina and other events.

I especially dislike the stealth and lack of comment on this — this is too important and dangerous to be done quietly and without debate.


41 posted on 05/23/2007 1:26:53 PM PDT by ellery (I don't remember a constitutional amendment that gives you the right not to be identified-R.Giuliani)
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To: ex-Texan

I believe and have from the beginning and I don’t give a DAMN what my fellow FRiends say. Things have been so strange for awhile. Hillary not saying a dang word during 2004 election...Bill said what five sentences that were not even that bad. Friendships, brother, family. Too many weird stuff going on. I have been blasted so many times that you could not imagine. But, I am pretty strong and can take it. You should have seen the licken I took before the last election when I (Gasp) said that we would probably lose the 2006 Senate and House. I was definitely found GUILTY for treasonous (Everyone loves that word around here) statements!!! lol.


42 posted on 05/23/2007 1:41:55 PM PDT by napscoordinator (.)
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To: SoCal Pubbie

Thanks for the link — I did some googling myself and was just about to post it. Yes, it looks less sinister — it appears to apply to the executive branch only, and acknowledges that the other two co-equal branches are responsible for their own continuity planning. It bears watching, though.


43 posted on 05/23/2007 1:57:35 PM PDT by ellery (I don't remember a constitutional amendment that gives you the right not to be identified-R.Giuliani)
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To: LantzALot
Re: My "congers up..."

Lantz's How did eels get into the discussion?

Gaszooks, guess I screwed up on that...

Boy... I wonder if I should feel eel about this?

44 posted on 05/23/2007 3:35:12 PM PDT by Bender2 (A 'Good Yankee' comes down to Texas, then goes back north. A 'Damn Yankee' stays... Damn it!)
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To: LantzALot
From Google at http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&rls=GGLD,GGLD:2004-18,GGLD:en&q=conger+up+a+spell

one example:

“Buffy the Vampire Slayer” Doppelgangland (1999)
Anya convinces an unsuspecting Willow to assist her with a spell that will ... just a reliable good-two-shoes and agrees to help conger up the "dark arts. ...
www.imdb.com/title/tt0533415/ - 41k - May 21, 2007 - Cached - Similar pages

Guess that bodes eel for Buffy and Anya... eh?

We... are so confused...

45 posted on 05/23/2007 3:46:00 PM PDT by Bender2 (A 'Good Yankee' comes down to Texas, then goes back north. A 'Damn Yankee' stays... Damn it!)
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To: cbkaty

Part of this article clearly is not true since it was released by Tony Snows office and the full text is up on the web.

http://www.fas.org/irp/offdocs/nspd/nspd-51.htm

Maybe it is troubling but we need a different source. This one is simply not credible.


46 posted on 05/23/2007 4:08:06 PM PDT by gondramB (No man can be brave who thinks pain the greatest evil)
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To: gondramB

Thanks for the correction...


47 posted on 05/23/2007 4:59:56 PM PDT by cbkaty (I may not always post...but I am always here......)
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To: cbkaty

>>Thanks for the correction...<<

And thanks for posting this - It sure as heck bears looking into.


48 posted on 05/23/2007 7:56:58 PM PDT by gondramB (No man can be brave who thinks pain the greatest evil)
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To: listenhillary

he is on Coast to Coast AM, right now.

“Prepare to don tin foil headgear” !!!!!!!


49 posted on 05/23/2007 10:33:39 PM PDT by MrStumpy (Its awful embarrassing to get your butt kicked by a one legged man)
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To: Coleus; nickcarraway; narses; Mr. Silverback; Canticle_of_Deborah; TenthAmendmentChampion; ...
Pro Life of the Republic PING.
50 posted on 05/23/2007 10:53:25 PM PDT by cpforlife.org (A Catholic Respect Life Curriculum is available at KnightsForLife.org)
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