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Posted on 06/08/2007 5:42:01 AM PDT by BubbaJunebug

1973 vs 2006

Scenario: Jack goes duck hunting before school, pulls into school parking lot with shotgun in gun rack.

1973- Vice Principal comes over, takes a look at Jack's shotgun, goes to his car and gets his to show Jack. 2006- School goes into lock down, FBI called, Jack hauled off to jail and never sees his truck or gun again. Counselors called in for traumatized students and teachers.

Scenario: Johnny and Mark get into a fist fight after school.

1973- Crowd gathers. Mark wins. Johnny and Mark shake hands and end up best friends. Nobody goes to jail, nobody arrested, nobody expelled. 2006- Police called, SWAT team arrives, arrests Johnny and Mark. Charge them with assault, both expelled even though Johnny started it.

++++++++++++ +++++++++ +++++++++ +

Scenario: Jeffrey won't be still in class, disrupts other students. 1973- Jeffrey sent to office and given a good paddling by Principal. Sits still in class. 2006- Jeffrey given huge doses of Ritalin. Becomes a zombie. School gets extra money from state because Jeffrey has a disability. ++++++++++++ +++++++++ +++++

Scenario: Billy breaks a window in his neighbor's car and his Dad gives him a whipping. 1973- Billy is more careful next time, grows up normal, goes to college, and becomes a successful businessman. 2006- Billy's Dad is arrested for child abuse. Billy removed to foster care and joins a gang. Billy's sister is told by state psychologist that she remembers being abused herself and their Dad goes to prison. Billy's mom has affair with psychologist.

++++++++++++ +++++++++ ++++++++

Scenario: Mark gets a headache and takes some aspirin to school. 1973- Mark shares aspirin with Principal out on the smoking dock. 2006- Police called, Mark expelled from school for drug violations. Car searched for drugs and weapons. ++++++++++++ +++++++++ +++++

Scenario: Pedro fails high school English.

1973: Pedro goes to summer school, passes English, goes to college. 2006: Pedro's cause is taken up by state. Newspaper articles appear nationally explaining that teaching English as a requirement for graduation is racist. ACLU files class action lawsuit against state school system and Pedro's English teacher. English banned from core curriculum. Pedro given diploma anyway but ends up mowing lawns for a living because he can't speak English.

++++++++++++ +++++++++

Scenario: Johnny takes apart leftover firecrackers from the 4th of July, puts them in a model airplane paint bottle, blows up a red ant bed. 1973- Ants die. 2006- BATF, Homeland Security, FBI called. Johnny charged with domestic terrorism, FBI investigates parents, siblings removed from home, computers confiscated, Johnny's Dad goes on a terror watch list and is never allowed to fly again.

++++++++++++ +++++++++

Scenario: Johnny falls while running during recess and scrapes his knee. He is found crying by his teacher, Mary. Mary, hugs him to comfort him.

1973- In a short time Johnny feels better and goes on playing. 2006- Mary is accused of being a sexual predator and loses her job. She faces 3 years in State Prison. Johnny undergoes 5 years of therapy.


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1973 vs 2006

Scenario: Jack goes duck hunting before school, pulls into school parking lot with shotgun in gun rack.

1973- Vice Principal comes over, takes a look at Jack's shotgun, goes to his car and gets his to show Jack. 2006- School goes into lock down, FBI called, Jack hauled off to jail and never sees his truck or gun again. Counselors called in for traumatized students and teachers.

Scenario: Johnny and Mark get into a fist fight after school.

1973- Crowd gathers. Mark wins. Johnny and Mark shake hands and end up best friends. Nobody goes to jail, nobody arrested, nobody expelled. 2006- Police called, SWAT team arrives, arrests Johnny and Mark. Charge them with assault, both expelled even though Johnny started it.

++++++++++++ +++++++++ +++++++++ +

Scenario: Jeffrey won't be still in class, disrupts other students. 1973- Jeffrey sent to office and given a good paddling by Principal. Sits still in class. 2006- Jeffrey given huge doses of Ritalin. Becomes a zombie. School gets extra money from state because Jeffrey has a disability. ++++++++++++ +++++++++ +++++

Scenario: Billy breaks a window in his neighbor's car and his Dad gives him a whipping. 1973- Billy is more careful next time, grows up normal, goes to college, and becomes a successful businessman. 2006- Billy's Dad is arrested for child abuse. Billy removed to foster care and joins a gang. Billy's sister is told by state psychologist that she remembers being abused herself and their Dad goes to prison. Billy's mom has affair with psychologist.

++++++++++++ +++++++++ ++++++++

Scenario: Mark gets a headache and takes some aspirin to school. 1973- Mark shares aspirin with Principal out on the smoking dock. 2006- Police called, Mark expelled from school for drug violations. Car searched for drugs and weapons. ++++++++++++ +++++++++ +++++

Scenario: Pedro fails high school English.

1973: Pedro goes to summer school, passes English, goes to college. 2006: Pedro's cause is taken up by state. Newspaper articles appear nationally explaining that teaching English as a requirement for graduation is racist. ACLU files class action lawsuit against state school system and Pedro's English teacher. English banned from core curriculum. Pedro given diploma anyway but ends up mowing lawns for a living because he can't speak English.

++++++++++++ +++++++++

Scenario: Johnny takes apart leftover firecrackers from the 4th of July, puts them in a model airplane paint bottle, blows up a red ant bed. 1973- Ants die. 2006- BATF, Homeland Security, FBI called. Johnny charged with domestic terrorism, FBI investigates parents, siblings removed from home, computers confiscated, Johnny's Dad goes on a terror watch list and is never allowed to fly again.

++++++++++++ +++++++++

Scenario: Johnny falls while running during recess and scrapes his knee. He is found crying by his teacher, Mary. Mary, hugs him to comfort him.

1973- In a short time Johnny feels better and goes on playing. 2006- Mary is accused of being a sexual predator and loses her job. She faces 3 years in State Prison. Johnny undergoes 5 years of therapy.

1 posted on 06/08/2007 5:42:03 AM PDT by BubbaJunebug
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To: BubbaJunebug

That 1973 scenario sounds like my school in 1983.


2 posted on 06/08/2007 5:46:57 AM PDT by L98Fiero (A fool who'll waste his life, God rest his guts.)
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To: BubbaJunebug

I’ve got one:

1955 -

My dad was in High School in an ‘inner-city’ high school in St. Louis in the 50’s. He was also in Boy Scouts.

He rode to school on a public transit bus with his .22 caliber rifle, where he made a new stock for it in his Shop Class with the help of his teacher.

Then he took the rifle on a public transit bus to the police station where the police helped him earn his Riflery Merit Badge.

True Story. When my kids heard the story, they couldn’t believe it.


3 posted on 06/08/2007 5:57:30 AM PDT by live+let_live ("God is a mathematician with an eye for art.")
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To: L98Fiero
“Scenario: Johnny takes apart leftover firecrackers from the 4th of July, puts them in a model airplane paint bottle, blows up a red ant bed. 1973- Ants die”

Johnny must have been smart enough to use a long fuse, unlike some people, because if you do this it is very easy to get glass shards in you leg that you can still feel moving around after 40 years.

4 posted on 06/08/2007 5:58:11 AM PDT by sticker
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To: sticker

“because if you do this it is very easy to get glass shards in you leg that you can still feel moving around after 40 years.”

LOL! Just theoretically speaking, I’m sure. ;)


5 posted on 06/08/2007 6:04:30 AM PDT by L98Fiero (A fool who'll waste his life, God rest his guts.)
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To: sticker

Sounds like you know someone who might have done this, huh?

;-)


6 posted on 06/08/2007 6:25:00 AM PDT by trimom
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To: BubbaJunebug

My kids have a hard time believing that we used to take our shotguns on the school bus if we were hunting at a friend’s house after school. When we got to school, we took the guns to the office for the day and picked them up after school. It was no big deal.


7 posted on 06/08/2007 6:28:25 AM PDT by AmericanHunter
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8 posted on 06/08/2007 6:34:38 AM PDT by qam1 (There's been a huge party. All plates and the bottles are empty, all that's left is the bill to pay)
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To: BubbaJunebug
The incident described in the scenario below actually happened to a classmate of mine.

1980: When I was in High School electronics class, our instructor got fed up with a persistent troublemaker in class, so he walked over to him, picked him up by his shirtcollar off the floor and threw him out of the classroom. He came back the next day and was a model student the rest of the semester. He finished the class with a passing grade.

What would happen to the instructor today: Instructor loses his job, his pension and savings and is sent to jail, his career and life ruined. Johnny and family is awarded 10 million in damages for pain and suffering.
9 posted on 06/08/2007 6:42:34 AM PDT by reagan_fanatic (I'm Fred, White and Blue!)
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To: BubbaJunebug

I graduated in ‘94. The shop teacher was a hell of a gunsmith, and kids brought guns in all the time for him to work on. There was never a single problem.


10 posted on 06/08/2007 6:42:38 AM PDT by lesser_satan (FRED THOMPSON '08)
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To: trimom; L98Fiero

No comment


11 posted on 06/08/2007 6:50:14 AM PDT by sticker
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To: BubbaJunebug

Yes but, but - we’ve made great strides! In 1973 we weren’t allowed to chew gum in class.

Now look at all the freedoms we enjoy. yeah, or something like that.


12 posted on 06/08/2007 6:51:50 AM PDT by Ozokerite Boryslaw
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To: BubbaJunebug
Scenario: Eddie before he rides his bicycle puts on a bright pink helmet and elbow pads, when he meets up with his fellow classmates...

1973: They burst into laughter, question his sexuality, then jump him, rip his helmet off and play keep away

2006: They complement him on his choice of colors

13 posted on 06/08/2007 6:52:10 AM PDT by qam1 (There's been a huge party. All plates and the bottles are empty, all that's left is the bill to pay)
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To: live+let_live

In 1958 I was in High School in Tucson and was on the rifle team..yeah we had one. I also carried my .22 rifle on the city bus to and from school and no one thought a thing of it. Today carry a toy gun and it is the slammer......sad.


14 posted on 06/08/2007 6:53:13 AM PDT by engrpat
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To: BubbaJunebug

What a total load. I saw a junior high fist fight in 1976, a mere three years after this mythical 1973 where they shake hands be best friends. Only problem was that Nelson Cortez was hauled off in an ambulance and never came back. Later learned that he needed several surgeries to rebuild a cheekbone and that he had lost the sight in that eye.

Even the gun rack. That may have been true in small town America, but it was never the case in any urban area. Being from a city in the West, Colorado Springs, I never saw a gun in a rack at school, ever.


15 posted on 06/08/2007 6:53:42 AM PDT by Melas (Offending stupid people since 1963)
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To: lesser_satan
I’m a public defender. I had a client last year who had taken his antique M1 carbine to a gunsmith to get an estimate on some work. Later that day he stopped by the school to pick up his cousin. He was parked in the long driveway in front of the school waiting for his cousin to come out, with the gun laying in his backseat. A passerby saw it and called the cops. He was arrested and charged with a felony even though he had no bullets or even any clips. When I showed the prosecutor a letter from the gunsmith saying the guy had actually brought the gun in that morning for an estimate, the prosecutor was decent enough to work the charge down to a misdemeanor, but this man still had to pay over a grand in fines and costs and do ten days of community service. I remember being in high school in the early eighties and it was nothing to see rifles and shotguns in gun racks in students’ trucks.
16 posted on 06/08/2007 6:57:59 AM PDT by TKDietz
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To: qam1

Nah, neon pink is, like, so 1991. The style hasn’t come back around to it, yet.

I know the statistics about injuries from bicycle riding, but I still wonder sometimes. Neither I, nor anyone I knew or even knew of, received a serious head injury from falling off a bicycle. And I came off my bicycle pretty badly quite a few times. Ditto for skateboards.


17 posted on 06/08/2007 7:03:13 AM PDT by -YYZ- (Strong like bull, smart like ox.)
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To: TKDietz
Do you know if there have been any attempts to get that stupid law (no guns within such a distance from a school) a Supreme Court hearing? I don't think there's any way it would pass muster.

Good work, btw. I know it's your job, but it sounds like you did well helping this guy.

18 posted on 06/08/2007 7:06:50 AM PDT by lesser_satan (FRED THOMPSON '08)
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To: TKDietz

I refinished the stock on my 12 gauge shotgun in my wood shop class. Instructor helped with fitting the stock to the gun. I miss the good ole times, sometimes.


19 posted on 06/08/2007 7:07:15 AM PDT by ontap
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To: qam1

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20 posted on 06/08/2007 7:16:44 AM PDT by napscoordinator (.)
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To: Melas
I grew up in the South in a relatively small town. The population was around 65 thousand in 1980. Back then it was nothing to see gun racks in students’ trucks with rifles or shotguns in them.

A lot of what this guy writes is a little over the top. For instance, they’re probably not going to call the FBI or seize a guys truck over a shotgun being in the gun rack, but he will get arrested. And if there is a fight at school, they’re not going to call the swat team. The school resource officer will probably detain them until other officers come and arrest him though.

Things have changed, and not really for the better. I’m a public defender and one of the things I have to do is juvenile court. It’s standard procedure at our schools to call the police and have kids charged with battery if there is a fight. They call the police over a lot of stuff they would have handled in school back when I was a kid. And not only are they always having kids arrested, but they are always getting the courts involved in other ways by filing what are called Family in Need of Services cases or Child in Need of Services cases, depending on what state you live in. They’ll do this over small disciplinary problems that do not rise to the level of criminal conduct, truancy problems, or what they call “family dysfunction.” Really what is often happening is they are trying to get the kids they don’t like shipped off to a facility somewhere, trying to get rid of them. Either that or they want to have kids sent to therapists and be under court order to take any medication prescribed. So many of our kids are doped up on all sorts of ADHD meds or other meds that turn them into zombies, often at the behest of the schools. I’m working in a smaller town now than I grew up in and a really high percentage of the kids here will have involvement with the courts by the time they turn eighteen, much of it for stupid things that never would have made it to court thirty years ago or more.

And what the original poster said about spanking kids is not too far off the mark. People are arrested for disciplining their kids now and what a lot of parents get in trouble for today seems like pretty darned normal disciplinary action to me, stuff that happened all the time when I was a kid that people would have never gotten arrested for. We even have a case pending in a local court now where a vice principle from a junior high has been charged with a felony battery because he gave a kid swats and the kid ended up with bruises on his backside. This vice principle is a really big guy, a former athlete. I’m sure he had no idea he spanked the kid as hard as he did. They don’t give these guys “spanking lessons.” This isn’t my case, but I’ve talked with both the prosecutor and the defense attorney about it. I’ve seen the pictures. The kid did get his butt tanned pretty good, but I think this vice principle just didn’t know his own strength. The prosecutor has offered him six years in prison! That is insane. This guy has never been in trouble for anything, never even been accused of any sort of abuse of a child. I was just arguing with the prosecutor about this case the other day. He’s a fool and I hope the jury shuts him down and he comes out looking like the idiot he is because I know this fellow won’t take that offer. He’s not going to prison over this and he can’t really even take any criminal conviction, especially a felony, or his career will be over.

21 posted on 06/08/2007 7:40:32 AM PDT by TKDietz
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To: BubbaJunebug

1970’s...Disco and hippes, I think I was better off growing up in the 80’s.


22 posted on 06/08/2007 7:42:30 AM PDT by Moleman
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To: lesser_satan
I tried hard to get them to just drop the case, or at least just give the guy a small fine and no community service, but it was either take that deal or go to trial and if we had have gone to trial the elements were there for a conviction. We’d have had to hope for jury nullification, even though we aren’t allowed to ask for that, and it wasn’t worth the risk. One funny thing was that we pled this guy to a misdemeanor “possession of an instrument of crime” but he ended up getting his “instrument of crime” back in his possession. The prosecutor wanted to have the weapon destroyed, but I begged him not to because it had been a gift from my client’s grandfather and it had a lot of sentimental value to him. The judge kind of got tickled at the fact that he was ordering that this “instrument of crime” this guy was in trouble for possessing was going back in his possession, but he went along with the deal anyway because he agreed that this was a stupid case. It was only an instrument of crime if he had it somewhere he wasn’t supposed to have it.
23 posted on 06/08/2007 7:52:12 AM PDT by TKDietz
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To: lesser_satan
“Do you know if there have been any attempts to get that stupid law (no guns within such a distance from a school) a Supreme Court hearing?”

There was a Gun Free School Zones act passed by the feds in 1990. A kid got busted at school with a concealed handgun in Texas and ended up being charged under the federal act. That act was found to be unconstitutional by the US Supreme Court in U.S. v. Lopez, but the reasoning behind that ruling was basically that the Commerce Clause didn’t give the feds authority to pass that act. State statutes banning guns on school property have withstood constitutional challenges. I don’t know about laws against having guns within a certain distance of schools, but probably every state now has laws against having firearms on school property. Of course most also have laws against having guns in government buildings, at banks, bars, etc. I’m no expert on gun laws by any means (and I have no time to do any research today) but I believe these types of state laws making it illegal to possess guns in certain places tend to withstand constitutional challenges, especially when it comes to schools. Laws restricting the right to have a weapon near a school might not withstand a constitutional challenge, but state laws making it an offense to have a firearm on school property are for the most part going to be “bulletproof.”

24 posted on 06/08/2007 8:44:35 AM PDT by TKDietz
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To: Moleman

“1970’s...Disco and hippes, I think I was better off growing up in the 80’s.”

LOL I was a kid in the ‘70s and a teenager in the early half of the ‘80’s.

When I look back, the 70’s seem dark and dreary and the 80’s seem bright and vibrant.

We did get Star Wars out of the 70’s, though and punk rock so I guess it wasn’t a total waste. ;)


25 posted on 06/08/2007 9:21:26 AM PDT by L98Fiero (A fool who'll waste his life, God rest his guts.)
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To: BubbaJunebug
1973: Turned on FM radio to somewhere high in the dial, say 106.7 and listened to 40 minutes of kick-ass, distorted Les Paul-driven ROCK. 10 minutes of DJ banter (and he was as stoned as you were!) and 10 minutes of local commercials.

2007: "This is 107.3, a Clear Channel Station. Here is the latest by Avril Lavigne. The same song we played an hour ago. And you can hear it again after our next 25 minute long commercial break!"

26 posted on 06/08/2007 9:27:13 AM PDT by Drew68
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To: Drew68

It must suuck to live where you live. There are at least three classic rock stations in range of my car radio in Freeport, IL, and at least one of them is owned by Clear Channel.


27 posted on 06/08/2007 10:05:22 AM PDT by Mr. Silverback (A pacifist sees no distinction between the arsonist and the fireman--Freeper ccmay)
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To: L98Fiero

That 1973 scenario sounds like my school in 1983.
Me too except the principal had a rule that boys and girls couldn’t play together until 4th grade. Still don’t quite get that one but I sure remember my first paddling. Unfortunately I was not like Johnny and the wippings did no good, my grade school actually “invented” detention as a way to punish me because I was the master at writing sentences during recess in the office and my ass was like cow hide by the time I was in 5th grade.

I did usually end up good friends with the kids who I called out or who called me out to fight though. I think that’s something we should still let our kids do without making it a federal case.


28 posted on 06/08/2007 11:09:48 AM PDT by TheKidster (you can only trust government to grow, consolidate power and infringe upon your liberties.)
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To: TheKidster

“I did usually end up good friends with the kids who I called out or who called me out to fight though. I think that’s something we should still let our kids do without making it a federal case.”

When I was in grade school, if two boys got in a fight, the principal would make them put on big clumsy boxing gloves and duke it out on the outside basketball court. All the other kids would gather round and watch two boys with gloves as big as their heads try to fight. It was usually quite funny. It ended with a hand-shake every time.


29 posted on 06/08/2007 11:19:25 AM PDT by L98Fiero (A fool who'll waste his life, God rest his guts.)
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To: sticker

I used to like to take the top off of M-80’s and pack the rest of the tube with bottle rocket power and then use a heated up knife to “weld” the top back on. They made quite a hyge bang!!


30 posted on 06/08/2007 11:40:24 AM PDT by TheKidster (you can only trust government to grow, consolidate power and infringe upon your liberties.)
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To: TKDietz

That’s what a trunk is for, he used poor judgement IMHO. I put my gun in the glove box, park across the street from the school and walk in to pick him up. I hate being unarmed in that situation but it’s better that pain in the ass than the one Bubba would give me at night while we share a jail cell.


31 posted on 06/08/2007 11:44:48 AM PDT by TheKidster (you can only trust government to grow, consolidate power and infringe upon your liberties.)
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To: BubbaJunebug
I graduated in 2003 and it was way closer to the 1973 scenario than 2006. Of course I graduated with 85 people so that probably made things a little more lax.

If someone had a gun in their gun rack, they would probably be made to go home and leave the gun at home next time. But I don't remember it happening. I guess everyone had the sense to put the gun under the seat so you couldn't see it just walking by.
32 posted on 06/08/2007 11:48:59 AM PDT by Mr. Blonde (You remember my guitar? That is where it gently weeps.)
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To: reagan_fanatic

In the mid early 80’s when I was in junior high, a troublemaker had pissed off the shop teacher one too many times...he had the kid bend over infront of the window, butt facing him, he opened the window, took a 2x4, smacked him in the rear and he went sailing out the window....it was a ground floor window, but still dramatic.

The kid never made a peep again and neither did the rest of us for the remainder of the year....

We got way more work done, spent less time being distracted or taken off focus and oddly, we really respected and appreciated the teacher cracking down on someone who was runing the experience for the rest of us....

And this was in a liberal kumbaya prep school!!!


33 posted on 06/08/2007 12:18:53 PM PDT by hilaryrhymeswithrich (Gathering of Eagles....its our turn.....)
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To: TheKidster
He didn’t even think twice about it. He’d forgotten he still had the rifle in the backseat. He wasn’t even planning on picking up his cousin but his aunt called him on his cell phone right before school was going to let out and asked him to do her a favor and pick up her boy.

If you’re someone who normally carries a weapon, you are probably used to thinking about what you have to do when you go somewhere you aren’t supposed to have a gun. You also probably know where you aren’t supposed to go with a gun and be planning things so that you don’t get yourself in trouble. That wasn’t the situation in this case. He never carried a gun for protection or anything like that. He had taken this one to a gunsmith earlier in the day and just tossed it in his backseat after he got an estimate for some work and then went on about his business. It wasn’t even loaded and he didn’t have any bullets or clips. He wasn’t even thinking about the gun in his backseat when went to pick up his cousin. He didn’t go in the school with it. He was probably a good eighty or a hundred yards from the school building in his parked car, but it was still school property. He was negligent I suppose, but he certainly wasn’t out trying to do anything criminal.

34 posted on 06/08/2007 12:22:09 PM PDT by TKDietz
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To: TheKidster
And he didn’t have a trunk. He was in a little short bed pick up that had a front seat and a backseat. He could have hidden it behind his backseat, but again he wasn’t even thinking about the gun or that he might be doing something illegal.
35 posted on 06/08/2007 12:26:00 PM PDT by TKDietz
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To: L98Fiero

Looks like were about the same age. 70’s gave uss Star Wars and Jaws...But also The Brady Bunch (well Marsha was ok)


36 posted on 06/08/2007 1:29:26 PM PDT by Moleman
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To: BubbaJunebug

OM! ROFL!

I love it!

But this needs additional info:

Scenario: Johnny takes apart leftover firecrackers from the 4th of July, puts them in a model airplane paint bottle, blows up a red ant bed.
1973- Ants die.
2006- BATF, Homeland Security, FBI *and Environmental Protection Agency* called. Johnny charged with domestic terrorism, FBI investigates parents, siblings removed from home, computers confiscated, Johnny’s Dad goes on a terror watch list and is never allowed to fly again. *Johnny is also charged by the EPA and PETA with cruelty to animals, destroying protected wildlife, and destroying the ecosystem.*


37 posted on 06/09/2007 12:11:48 PM PDT by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue.)
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To: live+let_live

LOL, yes, and my mother alone could make her own scenarios, too!

Mom goes to ballet class from the edge of Baltimore to the center city, alone on a trolley.

1946: Mom gets to ballet class.

2007: Mom’s parents are arrested for neglect of young child: crossing dangerous city streets, surrounded by strangers who will do who knows what with no guardian or even friend, etc.


38 posted on 06/09/2007 12:16:23 PM PDT by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue.)
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To: TKDietz

All the bans on guns have done is make sure the psychos who do bring them to kill people will be able to walk around for hours and reload while the sissy cops hide outside and let more people die.


39 posted on 06/09/2007 12:20:17 PM PDT by RachelFaith
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To: qam1

Eddie wouldn’t WEAR any damn stinkin’ pads and helmets in 1973.

We had freedom then!


40 posted on 06/09/2007 12:20:38 PM PDT by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue.)
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To: Melas

It IS questionable in many areas, as after the ‘60s everything started going downhill. But, it was still alot less loony and more free then!


41 posted on 06/09/2007 12:22:44 PM PDT by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue.)
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To: -YYZ-

HAH! I rode miles and miles on bikes until I was maybe 14+. I rode right into a moving car right in front of my driveway (a steep hill - loved to get a head of steam!). Trying to avoid it and a coming mailbox I hit the car and fell off onto neighbor’s driveway. I broke my arm - that was it.

I had some other scrapes but that was the worst I ever had on a bike (I also had a minor concussion/blacked out from jumping from runaway horse). I NEVER wore any of these weenie things.


42 posted on 06/09/2007 12:31:01 PM PDT by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue.)
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