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TWO SUSPECTS ARRESTED IN NEWARK SCHOOL SLAYS
http://www.nypost.com/seven/08092007/news/regionalnews/police_make_arrest_in_newark_shootings_regionalnews_.htm ^ | August 9, 2007 | Post Staff Report

Posted on 08/09/2007 3:46:40 PM PDT by Free ThinkerNY

TWO SUSPECTS ARRESTED IN NEWARK SCHOOL SLAYS

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August 9, 2007 -- A 15-year-old boy and a 28-year-old man face murder charges in connection to last week's brutal execution-style shootings at a Newark school. Police arrested and charged Jose Carranza, 28, after he turned himself into Newark Mayor Cory Booker following a press conference.

A 15-year-old male, who was not identified because of his age, was arrested late Wednesday night after warrants for both of their arrests were issued.

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TOPICS: Local News
KEYWORDS: newark; publikskoolz

Murder Suspect Jose Carranza

1 posted on 08/09/2007 3:46:43 PM PDT by Free ThinkerNY
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To: Free ThinkerNY

“Slays”? Not, “Slayings”??

Was that the ACTUAL title? If so, dear Gawd...


2 posted on 08/09/2007 3:48:05 PM PDT by Old Sarge (This tagline in memory of FReeper 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Gangs?


3 posted on 08/09/2007 3:48:47 PM PDT by b4its2late (I am a nobody, and nobody is perfect; therefore, I am perfect.)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

I keep expecting to hear that MS-13 plays a part in this.


4 posted on 08/09/2007 3:49:43 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Greed is NOT a conservative ideal.)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

The article said the victims left messages to each other. I presume they wanted to leave clues for cops since they apparently were standing next to one another.


5 posted on 08/09/2007 3:50:32 PM PDT by apocalypto
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To: Old Sarge; aculeus; dead

Traditional tabloid-ese, at least in New York.


6 posted on 08/09/2007 3:53:11 PM PDT by dighton
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To: Free ThinkerNY

More:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1878761/posts
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1878666/posts


7 posted on 08/09/2007 3:55:14 PM PDT by xcamel ("It's Talk Thompson Time!" >> irc://irc.freenode.net/fredthompson)
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To: cripplecreek

me too.

I’m guessing gang initiation - MS13 style.


8 posted on 08/09/2007 3:55:29 PM PDT by Kimberly GG (..."work out a deal where they can have some aspirations of citizenship"... - Fred Thompson, 2006)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Just another illegal doing the crimes ordinary Americans won’t do themselves.


9 posted on 08/09/2007 3:56:49 PM PDT by Incorrigible (If I lead, follow me; If I pause, push me; If I retreat, kill me.)
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To: dighton; Old Sarge; dead
Traditional tabloid-ese, at least in New York.

They need to work on "Suspects". Much too long.

10 posted on 08/09/2007 3:56:51 PM PDT by aculeus
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To: aculeus

Now that you mention it, the headline loses nothing with “suspects” dropped.


11 posted on 08/09/2007 4:01:53 PM PDT by dighton
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To: Free ThinkerNY

I saw the press conference with the mayor of Newark on Fox News.

One of the reporters asked the mayor if Jose Carranza was a legal resident of the USA....

The mayor refused to answer!

However, the mayor did confirm that the 15 year old is a legal resident of the USA.


12 posted on 08/09/2007 4:04:24 PM PDT by texanyankee
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To: Incorrigible

Actually, they’re reporting that the 15 year old is an American citizen. Zilch on the older guy, yet.


13 posted on 08/09/2007 4:06:20 PM PDT by Kimberly GG (..."work out a deal where they can have some aspirations of citizenship"... - Fred Thompson, 2006)
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To: Kimberly GG; cripplecreek
I don't think it's MS13-related; "Jose Carranza" doesn't have his face obscured by tattoos.


14 posted on 08/09/2007 4:08:08 PM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: texanyankee

“The mayor refused to answer!”

Because he doesn’t know? Or because not answering IS the answer.


15 posted on 08/09/2007 4:08:31 PM PDT by Kimberly GG (..."work out a deal where they can have some aspirations of citizenship"... - Fred Thompson, 2006)
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To: Kimberly GG
Actually, they’re reporting that the 15 year old is an American citizen. Zilch on the older guy, yet.

Jose is supposedly from Ecuador - but the mayor refused to say whether he is here legally.

16 posted on 08/09/2007 4:09:24 PM PDT by texanyankee
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To: texanyankee

If Carranza is an illegal invader, political prostitutes like this Mayor have the blood of these victims on their hands. When will someone who has the public stage stand up and tell the truth about the extent of violent crimes committed by illegals? The prisons are overflowing with illegal aliens and the graveyards are overflowing with their victims.


17 posted on 08/09/2007 4:10:28 PM PDT by Free ThinkerNY ((((Truth shall set you free))))
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To: Kimberly GG
Because he doesn’t know? Or because not answering IS the answer.

I'm betting on the latter....but I'm sure we will find the answer/truth, eventually.

18 posted on 08/09/2007 4:11:21 PM PDT by texanyankee
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To: Free ThinkerNY

That headline. No English teachers in Newark anymore?


19 posted on 08/09/2007 4:11:48 PM PDT by toddlintown (Six bullets and Lennon goes down. Yet not one hit Yoko. Discuss.)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Fox just reported one of the few things they do know about the suspect is that he is an american citizen. Not sure of which suspect they are talking about though.


20 posted on 08/09/2007 4:12:20 PM PDT by mware (By all that you hold dear..on this good earth... I bid you stand! Men of the West!)
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To: texanyankee

Is the mayor here legally? /s?


21 posted on 08/09/2007 4:13:31 PM PDT by toddlintown (Six bullets and Lennon goes down. Yet not one hit Yoko. Discuss.)
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To: texanyankee
One of the reporters asked the mayor if Jose Carranza was a legal resident of the USA...The mayor refused to answer!

Betcha a cup of coffee the older guy here is an illegal alien.

Either way, not good, be it Mexican/Honduran illegals, nationals, or new legal arrivals...Hispanics shooting all these black kids in the back of the head, execution style is not good.

Actually, this is one of the most brutal mass murders I've read about in a long time...

22 posted on 08/09/2007 4:17:14 PM PDT by dragnet2
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To: Free ThinkerNY
I now hear from two of my East Coast pals (both die-hard 'Blue state' liberals who don't know one another, by the way) that this crime combined with the murders in Vermont has got everyone they know in New England talking about crime, punishment, recidivism, parole standards, illegal immigration, and getting a gun for home defense -- the last topic even in localities where it's next to impossible to get a license to buy a gun.

I told one of them what my state's 'castle doctrine' and CCW attitudes are, and he just can't conceive of the notion. It's an alien concept to him.

Republicans would be damn fools not to move these issues to the top of the Election 2008 platform. Desperate people do strange things in the voting booth when no-one's looking.

23 posted on 08/09/2007 4:18:08 PM PDT by The KG9 Kid
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To: Free ThinkerNY
If Carranza is an illegal invader, political prostitutes like this Mayor have the blood of these victims on their hands.

Just the fact that he declined to say if the older suspect is legal or not is odd, since they already know his legal status and for unknown reasons are being tight lipped.

24 posted on 08/09/2007 4:21:05 PM PDT by dragnet2
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To: dragnet2
Betcha a cup of coffee the older guy here is an illegal alien.

You like your folgers black? Pure speculation on my part, but I'm betting the 15 year old perp - who happens to be a legal resident - is an anchor baby.....

25 posted on 08/09/2007 4:21:11 PM PDT by texanyankee
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To: Free ThinkerNY

GRRRRREAT news! Condolences to the innocent victims families and friends.


26 posted on 08/09/2007 4:23:06 PM PDT by PGalt
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Is he legal?


27 posted on 08/09/2007 4:25:16 PM PDT by restornu (Teach them correct principals and let them govern themselves ~ Joseph Smith)
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To: texanyankee
See #24. Trust me, they already know this guys legal status, and probably knew within 2 hours of him being in custody for this mass murder.

I'll be surprised if he turns out to be here legally.

A country gone mad when we have Hispanics mass murdering young black kids execution style, for pocket change on a school yard.

28 posted on 08/09/2007 4:26:01 PM PDT by dragnet2
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To: dragnet2
I'll be surprised if he turns out to be here legally.

I totally agree. I heard the mayor during his press conference on Fox News DECLINE to say whether Jose Carranza is a citizen or legal resident. Yet, he did say the 15 year old - who cant be named - is a legal resident?

Sounds to me Jose is an illegal who committed many crimes and now has participated in a mass execution.

29 posted on 08/09/2007 4:30:45 PM PDT by texanyankee
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To: texanyankee
Jose' is supposedly from Ecuador - but the mayor refused to say whether he is here legally.

Refusal probably = a "yes" he is an illegal.

30 posted on 08/09/2007 4:32:22 PM PDT by madison10
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To: texanyankee
Yeah, once he's in custody, they've got an interpreter hammering him, if he doesn't speak English, while others are searching his flop house or where ever he lived, not to mention running him through every computer database possible. There are probably a hundred thousand named Jose Carranza, or going by that name, but once they shake down his residence, they usually find out real IDs and any AKAs etc fast.

My bet is they know his legal status, and for where ever reason ain't sayin.

Weird this 28 year old guy is hanging around and committing mass murder with a 15 year old. This guy has to be one twisted, vicious lunatic.

31 posted on 08/09/2007 4:39:18 PM PDT by dragnet2
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To: texanyankee

“Sounds to me Jose is an illegal who committed many crimes and now has participated in a mass execution.”

Just caught the tail end of a report...all I heard was a high number, I want to say 30, but I may be mistaken on the number...sexual offenses. Stay tuned.


32 posted on 08/09/2007 5:26:46 PM PDT by Kimberly GG (..."work out a deal where they can have some aspirations of citizenship"... - Fred Thompson, 2006)
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To: texanyankee

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070809/ap_on_re_us/schoolyard_killings

“Carranza had at least three prior arrests and was facing an aggravated assault charge in a separate case at the time of the killings, Booker said.

According to court records obtained by The Star-Ledger of Newark, Carranza was indicted twice this year — in April on aggravated assault and weapons charges; and in July on 31 counts including aggravated sexual assault of a child younger than 13. He was free on bail on the indictments.”


33 posted on 08/09/2007 5:28:51 PM PDT by Kimberly GG (..."work out a deal where they can have some aspirations of citizenship"... - Fred Thompson, 2006)
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To: dragnet2
Weird this 28 year old guy is hanging around and committing mass murder with a 15 year old. This guy has to be one twisted, vicious lunatic.

first of all, it's not weird that a 28 year old would hang around a 15 year old. Happens all the time. Especially in gangs. You want the pee wees to hold guns,drugs, cash and numbers. That way if they get pinched, they go to juvenile hall and out the revolving door. No hard time cause they're "kids" doncha know?

Probably just a robbery gone bad. But it could have been "Blood In" time for the 15 year old.

The reason you "Blood In" (murder) is that the gang has that over you FOREVER. No statute of limitation on murder. Therefore you can never leave...ever.

Once you screw up and blood in, the only way out is blood out, usually yours or your family's. No snitching, huh?

As far as the "most horrible crime". I don't know. Maybe so, maybe no.

I do know the Latin Kings will kill all your family first then you...including grannies and kids. I grew up around LK's and "la Eme" in San Antonio.

What's so funny about libs is that they have no clue, not one, that most Mexicans hate blacks, find them lazy and stupid. Especially the ones just over the border. I don't know about Honduran, Ecuadorans, Salvadorans etc.... but all the "thugging" by the blacks on latinos is getting paid back big time.

I just love to see two constituent groups of the Dems killing each other. Too bad about the girls. That is a tragedy, due to the fact that they were trying to better their education and get out of the neighborhood. They're parents must be heart broken to have protected them so long from harm and to have them killed like that. just sad... my heart goes out to them.

I know how hard it is to leave the old cholo friends and the place you grew up.

34 posted on 08/09/2007 5:39:34 PM PDT by Dick Vomer (liberals suck....... but it depends on what your definition of the word "suck" is.,)
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To: Dick Vomer
first of all, it's not weird that a 28 year old would hang around a 15 year old. Happens all the time. Especially in gangs.

You bet. I understand how gangs work.

However, what is unusual here is you've got a 15 year old, and a 28 year old Hispanics, shooting 4 people in the head, with 3 of them dying. In a addition, these were not opposing gang members they shot...This was just a robbery for pocket change, according to investigators.

Probably just a robbery gone bad.

Unlike in this case, and I say this due to the fact that all 3 dead victims were kneeling down, all shot in the back of the head. It appears their intentions were clear. Generally, in a robbery, the victims will just hand over the loot and that's it, if they're lucky.

most Mexicans hate blacks, find them lazy and stupid. Especially the ones just over the border. I don't know about Honduran, Ecuadorans, Salvadorans etc.... but all the "thugging" by the blacks on latinos is getting paid back big time.

Agree, they don't get along, however, I don't recall the last time blacks shot 3 hispanics in the back of the head execution style, wounding 1 more in the head.

What is odd, is the 28 year old obtained an attorney and gave himself up. This really doesn't fit the gang profile here.

If more suspect are sought in this case, it could very well be gang related. Don't know.

35 posted on 08/09/2007 6:01:09 PM PDT by dragnet2
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To: dragnet2
Agree, they don't get along, however, I don't recall the last time blacks shot 3 hispanics in the back of the head execution style, wounding 1 more in the head.

It doesn't matter. The latino gangs are a response to other gangs. They mark their territory by killing "mayates". The actually make blacks move out of areas by beating them or killing them. Nasty stuff.

I don't think it was just a robbery either, I was giving the benefit of the doubt.

I do know that brown on black crime is going to go way up.

I just want to see Jesse and Al fight with La Raza Unidad for federal money to "help our children" avoid gangs....bwahahahahahaha.. this is gonna be rich.

You know what cures gangs.... parents. Specifically a dad that will kick your a## if you "hang out" or "kick it" with gang bangers.

I was more afraid of my pop than any gang bangers.... and most of the guys I grew up with were afraid of my pop and my grandpa wasn't any cupcake either.

36 posted on 08/09/2007 9:39:14 PM PDT by Dick Vomer (liberals suck....... but it depends on what your definition of the word "suck" is.,)
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To: texanyankee
Betcha a cup of coffee the older guy here is an illegal alien.

You like your folgers black?

It was just reported that the older murderer, is an illegal alien.

I'll take mine with a bit of sugar.

37 posted on 08/10/2007 8:52:15 AM PDT by dragnet2
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To: Dick Vomer
You know what cures gangs.... parents. Specifically a dad that will kick your a## if you "hang out" or "kick it" with gang bangers.

Yup. And the number of kids growing up without fathers is staggering.

38 posted on 08/10/2007 9:02:46 AM PDT by Aquinasfan (When you find "Sola Scriptura" in the Bible, let me know)
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To: Kimberly GG

Just reported, the older, mass murder suspect is an illegal alien.


39 posted on 08/10/2007 9:05:53 AM PDT by dragnet2
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To: mware
Fox just reported one of the few things they do know about the suspect is that he is an american citizen.

The older one is an illegal alien. It was just reported a few hours ago. The 15 year old is probably an anchor baby.

40 posted on 08/10/2007 9:08:11 AM PDT by dragnet2
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To: dragnet2

yeah...and the mayor refused to answer the question yesterday! Why? I think it has everything to do with why this illegal wanted to turn himself in to the Mayor. I’ve heard that officials KNEW this guy was an illegal alien and knew it for quite some time...he was indicted on raping a 5 year old! Has the mayor been sympatico to illegal aliens? I think we’re going to be hearing a LOT more about this!!


41 posted on 08/10/2007 9:11:46 AM PDT by Kimberly GG (..."work out a deal where they can have some aspirations of citizenship"... - Fred Thompson, 2006)
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To: Kimberly GG

Agree, they knew this guy was an illegal, and the mayor all but gave it away yesterday.


42 posted on 08/10/2007 9:22:39 AM PDT by dragnet2
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To: Kimberly GG

Did you notice this story was removed to “chat”?


43 posted on 08/10/2007 9:23:51 AM PDT by dragnet2
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To: dragnet2

yes...see the conversation here:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1879236/posts?page=37#37

I don’t know if they are being moved, or, if they are being put there sort of by default, according to where the threadstarter starts it.


44 posted on 08/10/2007 9:28:34 AM PDT by Kimberly GG (DUNCAN HUNTER '08)
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To: Admin Moderator

Some of us are wondering how these threads regarding the NJ murders keep ending up in General/Chat. Are they being moved or is it because they are being initiated from the General/Chat forum?

Thanks.


45 posted on 08/10/2007 9:31:04 AM PDT by Kimberly GG (DUNCAN HUNTER '08)
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