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The MRSA Scam (snake oil shall protect thee not from zot)
10/18/2007 | Self

Posted on 10/18/2007 11:18:34 AM PDT by EndWelfareToday

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To: EndWelfareToday
I’m sorry, I don’t see a scam. Have the news agencies picked up the story, highlighting the young man who died? Yes. That said, the main ideas the news stories universally get across are not to panic, and to use common sense hygiene, such as handwashing after a visit to the restroom, and not using a fellow student’s towel after gym class.

Antibiotics have saved millions of lives. If you disagree, remember how many people died just in the Civil War from blood poisoning, or septicemia. However, some bacteria are developing resistance to the older antibiotics.

The articles in the media are warning people against overuse of antibiotics. I would think this is a good thing. Nowhere have I seen a call for socialized medicine from these recent events. I did see a radio talk show host blaming illegal immigrants, but the high school in Bedford county has very, very few students who might be illegal.

151 posted on 10/18/2007 1:03:18 PM PDT by Darnright
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To: Camel Joe

My Dad came home from his CABG surgery with a PICC line and Vancomycin IV’s 3 times daily for 2 months knocking off MRSA.


152 posted on 10/18/2007 1:03:50 PM PDT by A_Tradition_Continues (THE NEXT GENERATION CONSERVATIVE)
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To: steve86

I was asking that the person doing the ranting to stop ranting and do something good instead of screaming for no apparent reason. Yes. I was asking for prayers for my sister too. This hit us all pretty hard after losing mom like we did many years ago. I dont understand the “MRSA Scam” stuff since I haven’t kept up with it.

I gathered from the poster’s initial attacks on those who “go to the doctor” and the “witchcraft” statements that there is perhaps something else wrong here in this thread. But, a few days ago we did discover my sister had cancer.

I just find it very incongruous of folks to, on the one hand attack medicine — which does do wonders daily, and claim prayer is the ONLY thing that will help you.

Perhaps, this individual might figure that the help that we get from BOTH places might be beneficial. I certainly believe it will for my sister.

That’s all.

Thank you.


153 posted on 10/18/2007 1:03:51 PM PDT by Rick.Donaldson (http://realitycheck.blogsome.com - and yes, yes, I'm a "FredHead". Fred Thompson for Prez.)
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To: narby
I'm glad they know it exists and what the treatment is, or else it's likely he would die from it.

That's the point narby. According to the fear mongers of late there is NO TREATMENT for this latest boogeyman they are trying to created.

154 posted on 10/18/2007 1:03:57 PM PDT by EndWelfareToday (Live free and keep what you earn. - Tancredo or Hunter '08)
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To: EndWelfareToday

Hmmm, let me guess: you’re fond of handling poisonous snakes, drinking strychnine, and speaking in tongues?


155 posted on 10/18/2007 1:04:54 PM PDT by Sicon
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To: saganite
EWT - What are you more afraid of?

saganite - Question not directed at me but I’m afraid you live somewhere near me!

EWT -- Why? Healthy people bother you do we?

156 posted on 10/18/2007 1:08:09 PM PDT by EndWelfareToday (Live free and keep what you earn. - Tancredo or Hunter '08)
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To: EndWelfareToday
My family, friends and I do not have health insurance not because we can not afford it but because we do not need it.

Great. You are part of the statistical multitude of the "Uninsured" being used to try to get mandatory government administered health care for all. Be proud.

You might condsider picking up a high deductible per incident 'catastrophic care' plan, unless you folks are good at setting your own bones.

Or maybe you can afford orthopedic work out of pocket.

Some things are likely to yield less than optimal results if done by amatuers.

Your money, your lives, your choice.

157 posted on 10/18/2007 1:11:43 PM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly.)
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To: Sicon
Hmmm, let me guess: you’re fond of handling poisonous snakes, drinking strychnine, and speaking in tongues?

Does it hurt you to be a bigoted anti-Christian ignoramus?

158 posted on 10/18/2007 1:12:01 PM PDT by EndWelfareToday (Live free and keep what you earn. - Tancredo or Hunter '08)
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To: EndWelfareToday

So, were you vaccinated for polio? Measles, Mumps, smallpox?

If so, how do you explain your current condition of ‘perfect’ health?


159 posted on 10/18/2007 1:12:38 PM PDT by nuke rocketeer
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To: EndWelfareToday

Would you like it in Greek?


160 posted on 10/18/2007 1:13:39 PM PDT by Anitius Severinus Boethius
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To: Izzy Dunne
the medical profession is nothing more than the practice of witchcraft and sorcery--

But it pays better...

But the outfits aren't as cute!

161 posted on 10/18/2007 1:13:56 PM PDT by najida (Just call me a chicken rancher :))
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To: EndWelfareToday

You pray to God for help. I’ll take God’s advice that he gave me a brain and it is my job after the Garden to use it to cure myself. I’ll live, and you’ll die.

Old Joke:

A man was standed on his rooftop during a flood. A boat came and he motioned it away saying God will protect and help him. A bigger boat came and he said the same. A helicopter came and he did so once again. When the flood took him away and he was standing before God he asked why didn’t God help him. God answered, “What do you mean?? I sent two boats and a helicopter for you!”

Use your brain, THAT is God’s will.


162 posted on 10/18/2007 1:16:24 PM PDT by CodeToad
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To: Smokin' Joe
You might condsider picking up a high deductible per incident 'catastrophic care' plan, unless you folks are good at setting your own bones.

Why? Are you threatening me?

Listen numbnuts. I used to sell insurance. I worked for years for New York Life and I have to tell you. I left because I couldn't handle selling fear to everyone I came into contact with. I realize that so many of you hypochondriacs have problems believing that many of us in the world do NOT have any need for the crap peddled to us by Insurance companies, hospitals and liberals. You want to work to pay for them or to pay the taxes to supply governmental coverage for illegals then knock yourself out but keep your friggin hands off my hard earned money. It is NOT yours and you have NO right to it.

It amazes me that mankind has survived all these thousands of years without government run healthcare.

163 posted on 10/18/2007 1:19:25 PM PDT by EndWelfareToday (Live free and keep what you earn. - Tancredo or Hunter '08)
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To: Greg F

I really hope Dwight doesn’t catch MRSA through a paper cut. Since I’ve seen no evidence of his personal connection with god, I can only assume he’ll die and bust hell wide open. Angela, on the other hand, might be OK.


164 posted on 10/18/2007 1:19:53 PM PDT by LanPB01
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To: Soliton
>"I don’t see why you are so upset at Ron Paul’s post. Sure he screams alot and looks a little wild-eyed at times, but this is his healthcare plan and I admire him for posting it here ;-}"

Well Laughter is the best medicine. I got my days dose here!

165 posted on 10/18/2007 1:20:43 PM PDT by rawcatslyentist (Hey Jessie, how much melanin do you have to have to form a socially acceptable lynch mob?)
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To: Anitius Severinus Boethius
Would you like it in Greek?

A little slow are we? |-{

166 posted on 10/18/2007 1:26:19 PM PDT by EndWelfareToday (Live free and keep what you earn. - Tancredo or Hunter '08)
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To: Sicon

I speak in tongues. I’m a member of the Assemblies of God and a devout Christian. I believe that the gift of Baptism in the Holy Spirit is available for Christians today and that the Holy Spirit living in our lives gives us the strength and help to live a good Christian walk.

I also believe that the use of medicines and the use of knowledge about how our bodies work is a good use of our mind and lives.

I know that in addition to Luke calling himself a physician, Paul calls him a physician and Jesus says (Mark 2:17)”it is not the healthy who need a doctor, but the sick. I have not come to call the righteous, but the sinners”

When Jesus says this, it is in a typical parallel teaching method. Saying that like a doctor, he goes to those who need him most.

If the practice of medicine were sorcerey, I can’t imagine him saying this without repudiation of those who go to the doctor.

So just because this gentleman makes noises like he is a devout Christian, do not assume that he is representative of us.

The A/G official concerning medicine is available at http://ag.org/top/Beliefs/contempissues_13_medicine.cfm


167 posted on 10/18/2007 1:27:50 PM PDT by Anitius Severinus Boethius
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To: Phantom Lord

I can name 5 patients in one building that are figthing MRSA today. Two others just ‘healed’ after six months of aggressive treatment.

And any nursing home in the country has several deaths a year attributed to it.....it used to be mostly UTI’s and respiratory, now it’s skin..... so every healthcare worker I know cultures out positive for MRSA on their skin or nasal passages.

I have it right now-— two lesions that are finally healing after what seems like forever.

MRSA a hoax?

Has he been living under a rock?


168 posted on 10/18/2007 1:27:50 PM PDT by najida (Just call me a chicken rancher :))
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To: EndWelfareToday
Mary Baker Eddy, eh? While I understand your point and have come to much of the same conclusion, I say good luck with that. I, however, owe my life to the dedicated doctors and scientists and God who cared for and sustained me (I’m 1 of 2 survivors of childhood disease in a group of 100 tracked by Washoo Med. School in St. Louis). All others dead or institutionalized (no wise-cracks, please). I owe my life to God who worked through decent, loving folks like my parents, minister and the medical staff and medicine — yes, pills and so many holes in me I could have rented out as a lawn sprinkler after a glass of water. Much pain, much suffering, much gratitude to my Lord and Savior who felt I was worth saving.

The only thing I can say is He put me here knowing what I would suffer and at a time when He knew I could be saved. No more tirades, please. Go your way in peace.

169 posted on 10/18/2007 1:29:03 PM PDT by Constitutions Grandchild
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To: EndWelfareToday
Mary Baker Eddy, eh? While I understand your point and have come to much of the same conclusion, I say good luck with that. I, however, owe my life to the dedicated doctors and scientists and God who cared for and sustained me (I’m 1 of 2 survivors of childhood disease in a group of 100 tracked by Washoo Med. School in St. Louis). All others dead or institutionalized (no wise-cracks, please). I owe my life to God who worked through decent, loving folks like my parents, minister and the medical staff and medicine — yes, pills and so many holes in me I could have rented out as a lawn sprinkler after a glass of water. Much pain, much suffering, much gratitude to my Lord and Savior who felt I was worth saving.

The only thing I can say is He put me here knowing what I would suffer and at a time when He knew I could be saved. No more tirades, please. Go your way in peace.

170 posted on 10/18/2007 1:29:08 PM PDT by Constitutions Grandchild
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To: EndWelfareToday

What “new age” people do you know?
Why do you ask? Do you know them all?
(CAPS so we can keep the conversation straight. I am not yelling at you).
I DO NOT KNOW THEM ALL. NEVER SAID THAT.

All the ones I know do not believe in vaccinations or western type medicine.

Then you are not as enlightened as you think you are.
I SAID THE ONES I KNOW ARE OPPOSED TO VACCINATIONS AND WESTERN STYLE MEDICINE. I NEVER SAID THAT I WAS “ENLIGHTENED”.

No one is forcing you to have health care, so what is the issue?

I’m not complaining about anyone forcing me to have health care. I’m complaining about those like you forcing me to pay for YOUR health care.
You want it? You pay for it.
I AM NOT FORCING YOU TO PAY FOR MY HEALTH CARE. I DO NOT EVEN KNOW WHERE THAT CAME FROM. I PAY MY OWN WAY, ALWAYS HAVE ALWAYS WILL.

Do you not believe that there is staph?

Absolutely I believe there is “staph” just as I believe there are lions and tigers and bears but none of them will harm me or those like me.
WELL, THATS JUST DANDY.

Or that the problem is over blown?
SO INSTEAD OF A TIRADE, WHY NOT JUST SAY THE WHOLE ISSUE IS OVER BLOWN?
Well you tell me. 2 (that’s TWO) people out of 300 million people have died from MRSA and the media is trying to work the country into a frenzy over a “possible” outbreak... YEAH!!! I believe it is . It is a scam that once again, I believe, draws undue attention to our alleged failing health care system. To me it sounds like the demoncraps are stirring up the pot in an attempt to get their blind lemming voters to put Hillarycare into office in ‘08.

If you do not wish to vaccinate your children against common childhood diseases fine, but do not suppose that somehow I am a dupe because I wish to keep my children healthy.

I have not called you a dupe. Why are you calling me one?
NEVER CALLED YOU ONE. I SAID I AM NOT A DUPE.
Oh, ya when you child gets measles, mumps or chicken pox please do not send them to school.

Not to worry. All four of my children have been homeschooled. Three of them are currently in college. All three of the ones still in college are in the honors programs of their respective programs and NOT ONE has ever had a childhood disease. We never subjected them to the cesspools of disease and ignorance you send your children to.
GIVEN YOU POST THE ONLY CESSPOOL OF IGNORANCE IS IN YOUR HOME.
BUT ITS GREAT THAT YOU KIDS ARE DOING WELL AND ARE SUCCESSFUL DESPITE YOU.


171 posted on 10/18/2007 1:31:42 PM PDT by svcw (There is no plan B.)
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To: EndWelfareToday

So God had nothing to do with the “hard earned money” you allege is yours exclusively?

Greed and guilt can be nasty taskmasters.


172 posted on 10/18/2007 1:32:08 PM PDT by delphirogatio
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To: LanPB01

A paper cut wouldn’t bring down Dwight. He has a can do attitude. In his own words:

Blood alone moves the wheels of history!

We are warriors! Salesmen of Northeastern Pennsylvania! I ask you to rise and once more be worthy of this historical hour!

We must never cede control of the motherland! For it is together that we prevail!


173 posted on 10/18/2007 1:33:31 PM PDT by Greg F (Duncan Hunter is a good man.)
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To: EndWelfareToday
Ok...I’ll bite.

I survived MRSA...well kind of. I’m still fighting it as I type. I was diagnosed in January of this year...Sore on my leg...Moved to the testicles (Kept em thank god) Here in the twin cities there are 59 new case a week on average...do the math. That is not a hoax.

And you want to know the real sin in all this?

Most of the cases are of the Community variety...meaning people catch it at the gym...locker rooms...you name it. At the gym where I contracted my infection, there were 37 cases where the gym was considered the main transmission vector....The gym didn’t tell anyone anything. there have since been 73 infection documented at the same place....still the gym says nothing.

174 posted on 10/18/2007 1:37:17 PM PDT by Explodo (Pessimism is simply pattern recognition)
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To: EndWelfareToday

Roughly 130,000 Americans are infected with MRSA, and 5,000 die from it, each year.

• 12,000 deaths per year due to unnecessary surgery
• 7000 deaths per year due to medication errors in hospitals

• 20,000 deaths per year due to other errors in hospitals

• 80,000 deaths per year due to infections in hospitals

• 106,000 deaths per year due to negative effects of drugs

Even A victim of government schools can see that the medical community has some work to do.


175 posted on 10/18/2007 1:42:10 PM PDT by Bullpine
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To: EndWelfareToday
Why? Are you threatening me?

LOL! I don't make threats.

Listen numbnuts. I used to sell insurance.

Maybe that explains your civility.

Unless you are the family in a bubble and are safe from every possible accident from falling down to getting hit by some (real) mumbnuts driving like an idiot, you have every opportunity to experience the same injuries anyone else does on the highway. Game those odds as you will, you have probably seen the actuarial tables, but in the event you lose, don't send the rest of us the bill.

As for labeling me a hypochondriac, I am one of the few great-grandfathers I know who takes no daily meds, and may only see a doctor once or twice a year. I have spent three days in the hospital since birth, not counting visits to get sewn up.

And I have worked my career in the oil industry, out on the rigs.

Now maybe you and your cousins Kal-el and Jor-el and the rest of the crowd who do so much better under a yellow sun don't feel you are prone to any of the injuries or illnesses which affect us mere mortals.

That is your kool-aid, drink up if you wish.

Just in case you actually read this far, I view insurance as betting against your health, good fortune, driving ability, etc., anyway.

Unfotunately, though, you are being counted among the illegals and others you so openly despise, as one of the "uninsured" and will be one of the lovely statistics used by the very same government you despise to impose this universal health care on the rest of us.

I paid 1/3 of my income in taxes last year, and I'm not looking forward to picking up the tab for arrogant peckerheads like you either.

Have a nice day.

176 posted on 10/18/2007 1:47:03 PM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly.)
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To: svcw
Let’s just all agree that somewhere between EndWellfareNow and Hillary, there HAS GOT to be a happy medium. I’m sure hoping we find it. Not everyone has Marie Curie or Dr. Schweitzer for a mom and dad. Thank God others are there to bridge the gap — but look hard and carefully for the good doctors. Check their medical school rank and their training, never enter a hospital without God and a good dose of prayer.
177 posted on 10/18/2007 1:47:18 PM PDT by Constitutions Grandchild
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To: EndWelfareToday
Hmm. A little strident aren’t they, EndWelfareToday.

You must have touched a sore spot. Good. They must first recognize that they are the captives of a carefully contrived societal belief system advantaging doctors and government and big medicine.

Otherwise these folks will continue to goose-step in their thinking like clanking robots.

178 posted on 10/18/2007 1:50:07 PM PDT by the final gentleman
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To: EndWelfareToday
I learned years ago that the medical profession is nothing more
than the practice of witchcraft and sorcery and those of you
that turn to sorcerers rather than to God for your healing
and health are now reaping what you are sowing. Stop trying
to slip the responsibility for your "medical expenses" and
the sorrow of the loses of your friends and families onto those
of us not in bondage to your fear.


I'll give you credit for channeling the soul of Tom Cruise!

Having nearly lost my leg in 1993 from cellulitis and having made
it through some recurrences, ONLY because of antibiotics...
I do accept the decades of abuse of antibiotics (a lot of it
in a place with FREE healthcare for all, the now defunct USSR)
means I just have to be realisitic about losing a leg or expiring
from some untreatable infection before I reach old age.

But if and when it happens, I'll be able to say that I died the
old, fashion, natural way:
screaming in an agony of pain and burning with a fever that couldn't
be dimished.

Have a nice day.
179 posted on 10/18/2007 1:50:16 PM PDT by VOA
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To: Smokin' Joe
I paid 1/3 of my income in taxes last year, and I'm not looking forward to picking up the tab for arrogant peckerheads like you either

Well said.

180 posted on 10/18/2007 1:54:44 PM PDT by Mr. Lucky
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To: EndWelfareToday

Suicide by mod.


181 posted on 10/18/2007 2:00:57 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: All

Am I correct in understaning EWT logic? That those ‘right’ with god have perfect health and those that are sick are that way because of sin?

That means Mother Teresa (CHF for years), Pope John Paul II (Parkinson’s), Billy Grahamn (Intestinal bleeding) and Father Damien (the “Leper Priest of Kaulapuapua) were the devils own....

While Saddamn Hussien and Hilter must have been very good boys....

/sarc


182 posted on 10/18/2007 2:02:10 PM PDT by najida (Just call me a chicken rancher :))
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To: metmom

Dang, it’s about time. Between his claiming on one thread to knowing some good ol’ boys who were itching to hunt down minorities to his defense of the recently deceased and self-professed child rapist federal prosecutor, to his constant personal attacks while claiming to be Godly that I didn’t think he was ever going to get himself removed.


183 posted on 10/18/2007 2:12:26 PM PDT by kenth
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To: EndWelfareToday
“We never subjected them to the cesspools of disease and ignorance you send your children to.”

I hate to bust your bubble but, why aren’t the colleges you send your children to not cesspools? For that matter anywhere outside your home.

BTW: My sister died from a strep infection when she was 38. It sent her into a coma and shut down her organs one by one. The doctors had no clue how to help her.

PS: I agree with many of the things you’ve said but, there are things in this world beyond our control. God made it that way.

184 posted on 10/18/2007 2:29:45 PM PDT by wolfcreek (The Status Quo Sucks!)
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To: TommyDale

Sorry to hear that. Saw the report on the 6 kids in NC & the one who died in VA. The pictures they used looked really bad.


185 posted on 10/18/2007 2:36:00 PM PDT by Sue Perkick (And I hope that what Iíve done here today doesnít force you to have a negative opinion of meÖ.)
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To: LanPB01
I really hope Dwight doesn’t catch MRSA through a paper cut. Since I’ve seen no evidence of his personal connection with god, I can only assume he’ll die and bust hell wide open. Angela, on the other hand, might be OK.

You sir, are a master at bringing a side topic back on track with the thread. Good job!

Side note: I hate soap operas, but I'm really interested in Jim/Pam and Dwight/Angela. Wierd that I'd get carried away like that. (And kind of creepy.)

186 posted on 10/18/2007 2:39:32 PM PDT by scan59 (Let consumers dictate market policies. Government just gets in the way.)
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To: Sue Perkick

She died in December of 1999. I am dumbfounded why they have resisted calling it MRSA. I guess because it has a 95% fatality rate — Of the 90,000 expected cases, 85,500 will die of it. Worse than AIDS, yet no one tells the story.


187 posted on 10/18/2007 2:47:24 PM PDT by TommyDale (Never forget the Republicans who voted for illegal immigrant amnesty in 2007!)
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To: Constitutions Grandchild

Amen!


188 posted on 10/18/2007 3:32:17 PM PDT by svcw (There is no plan B.)
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To: TChris

Wow man, you have strange ideas!


190 posted on 10/18/2007 3:40:52 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Turning the general election into a second Democrat primary is not a winning strategy.)
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To: ASA Vet

Thanks for the ping.

Amazing how many people are willing to give their life for the pride and power of the AMA.


191 posted on 10/18/2007 3:44:02 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Turning the general election into a second Democrat primary is not a winning strategy.)
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To: Kozak

You really ought to stop taking your poison, you’ll live longer.


192 posted on 10/18/2007 3:46:52 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Turning the general election into a second Democrat primary is not a winning strategy.)
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To: Phantom Lord
"Actually, now that I think about it, wasn't Moses 2,000 years old?"

No, 200 and change I believe. But our lifespans have not significantly changed for over 2000 years.

193 posted on 10/18/2007 3:49:19 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Turning the general election into a second Democrat primary is not a winning strategy.)
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To: TomServo

My father, a Baptist Deacon and Sunday School Superinyendent went into the hospital to have a heart valve replaced when he was 70. The doctors were concerned that he would never come off the vent because he had smoked for 50 years (thanks to free cigarettes in rations in WWII).

He came through the surgery and came off the vent in no time. He developed a staph infection though and they had to cut out his breast bone because it was necrotic and administer antiseptics(basically bleach) directly into the wound. He was in the hospital for 11 months, came out for 2 years before he died, but his wound never healed completely.

He lived for two extra years because of medical science, but it was medical uncleanliness that almost killed him in the first place.


194 posted on 10/18/2007 3:56:10 PM PDT by Soliton (Freddie T is the one for me! (c))
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To: Enterprise
"If the law mandates health insurance will you purchase it?"

If the law mandates drinking cyanide, will you drink it?

195 posted on 10/18/2007 3:56:57 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Turning the general election into a second Democrat primary is not a winning strategy.)
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To: linn37
Alrighty then,I take it you have a degree in medicine? ;^)

Yuh. The last jerkwater who came off this way turned out to be a lawn-mower repairman. ewt would be lucky to rise to that level. I vote for dogfood taste tester.

196 posted on 10/18/2007 3:57:36 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: EndWelfareToday
According to the fear mongers of late there is NO TREATMENT ....

I'm told there are no oral treatment, but it is responsive to IV, baring other issues.

197 posted on 10/18/2007 4:03:52 PM PDT by narby
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To: Anitius Severinus Boethius
"Wow, so Luke, a physician who was the inspired writer of two books of the New Testament, was a sorcerer?

The key word here is 'was,' he repented, and followed the Lord. From that point on he left the healing to the Holy Spirit.

198 posted on 10/18/2007 4:04:50 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Turning the general election into a second Democrat primary is not a winning strategy.)
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To: editor-surveyor
"If the law mandates drinking cyanide, will you drink it?"

I will comply with the law. One one condition. Everyone else has to comply first, and then I will. I promise.

199 posted on 10/18/2007 4:18:02 PM PDT by Enterprise (Those who "betray us" also "Betray U.S." They're called DEMOCRATS!)
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To: Enterprise

Well you have a problem then, I’m waiting for you ;o)

All we need is to get the govt completely out of all health issues; then all problems would be at the personal level, and more solutions would be forthcoming.


200 posted on 10/18/2007 4:46:46 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Turning the general election into a second Democrat primary is not a winning strategy.)
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