Posted on 11/27/2007 9:58:26 PM PST by dit_xi
What the Chinese are buying with American trade dollars
"I'm Congressman Duncan Hunter. A few weeks ago when this Song Class Chinese submarine emerged next to one of our aircraft carriers about 80 miles off Okinawa, it shows the American people what the Chinese are buying with American trade dollars. They're cheating on trade and they're buying ships and planes and missles with our money as well as taking millions of jobs. Join me at Peace Through Strength for fair trade."
Link from NationalTerrorAlert.com
An unexpected visit by a Chinese Submarine that went undetected in the middle of a Pacific Ocean Naval exercise and came extremely close to the U.S.S. Kitty Hawk, has American military chiefs looking for answers.
The sub was apparently able to slip past at least a dozen U.S. warships, two U.S. submarines and a vast array of advanced technology, which failed to detect it.
When the Navy deploys a battle fleet on exercises, they take the security of the aircraft carriers very seriously. At least a dozen warships are used to provide a physical guard, and using advanced technology they are able to detect and deter any potential intruders.
By the time the Chinese sub surfaced, the 160ft Song Class diesel-electric attack submarine sailed within viable range for launching torpedoes or missiles at the U.S.S. Kitty Hawk, a 1,000ft. super carrier with 4,500 military personnel on-board.
According to senior NATO officials, the incident caused a sense of sudden fear in the U.S. Navy, as officials realized the seriousness of the encounter. The U.S. apparently had no idea just how sophisticated China’s fast-growing submarine fleet had become, or that they even posed such a threat.
Analysts believe that China was sending a message to the United States and the West by demonstrating their rapidly growing military capability to threaten foreign powers that might try to interfere in their own “backyard.”
The U.S. Navy and Nato are now forced to re-think their strategy, and reconsider the level of threat posed from potentially hostile Chinese submarines.
Chinese sub pops up in middle of U.S. Navy exercise, leaving military chiefs red-faced
When the U.S. Navy deploys a battle fleet on exercises, it takes the security of its aircraft carriers very seriously indeed.
At least a dozen warships provide a physical guard while the technical wizardry of the world's only military superpower offers an invisible shield to detect and deter any intruders.
That is the theory. Or, rather, was the theory.
Uninvited guest: A Chinese Song Class submarine, like the one that sufaced by the U.S.S. Kitty Hawk
American military chiefs have been left dumbstruck by an undetected Chinese submarine popping up at the heart of a recent Pacific exercise and close to the vast U.S.S. Kitty Hawk - a 1,000ft supercarrier with 4,500 personnel on board.
By the time it surfaced the 160ft Song Class diesel-electric attack submarine is understood to have sailed within viable range for launching torpedoes or missiles at the carrier.
According to senior Nato officials the incident caused consternation in the U.S. Navy.
The Americans had no idea China's fast-growing submarine fleet had reached such a level of sophistication, or that it posed such a threat.
One Nato figure said the effect was "as big a shock as the Russians launching Sputnik" - a reference to the Soviet Union's first orbiting satellite in 1957 which marked the start of the space age.
The incident, which took place in the ocean between southern Japan and Taiwan, is a major embarrassment for the Pentagon.
Battle stations: The Kitty Hawk carries 4,500 personnel
The lone Chinese vessel slipped past at least a dozen other American warships which were supposed to protect the carrier from hostile aircraft or submarines.
And the rest of the costly defensive screen, which usually includes at least two U.S. submarines, was also apparently unable to detect it.
According to the Nato source, the encounter has forced a serious re-think of American and Nato naval strategy as commanders reconsider the level of threat from potentially hostile Chinese submarines.
It also led to tense diplomatic exchanges, with shaken American diplomats demanding to know why the submarine was "shadowing" the U.S. fleet while Beijing pleaded ignorance and dismissed the affair as coincidence.
Analysts believe Beijing was sending a message to America and the West demonstrating its rapidly-growing military capability to threaten foreign powers which try to interfere in its "backyard".
The People's Liberation Army Navy's submarine fleet includes at least two nuclear-missile launching vessels.
Its 13 Song Class submarines are extremely quiet and difficult to detect when running on electric motors.
Commodore Stephen Saunders, editor of Jane's Fighting Ships, and a former Royal Navy anti-submarine specialist, said the U.S. had paid relatively little attention to this form of warfare since the end of the Cold War.
He said: "It was certainly a wake-up call for the Americans.
"It would tie in with what we see the Chinese trying to do, which appears to be to deter the Americans from interfering or operating in their backyard, particularly in relation to Taiwan."
In January China carried a successful missile test, shooting down a satellite in orbit for the first time.
Duncan Hunter SO GETS IT! He's been warning us about the Chinese for years. No other presidential candidate has the foresight that Duncan Hunter does! America NEEDS Duncan Hunter as POTUS!
Hunter on China PING!
BTTT!
Adm. Tim Keating, the U.S. Pacific Command leader, told reporters during his visit to China last month that while building and operating a carrier battle group is complex, the United States is willing to help.
"We would, if they choose to develop [an aircraft-carrier program], help them to the degree that they seek and the degree that we're capable, in developing their programs," Adm. Keating said.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1845931/posts
U.S. may share missile info with China
WASHINGTON, June 4 (UPI) -- The United States would "seriously" consider sharing technology and missile warning intelligence with China, (Secretary of Defense Gates) the U.S. defense chief said Sunday.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1846099/posts
Please tell me this is all a bad dream, and I will wake up with a sound economy, secure borders, our Constitution in tact, our laws enforced, and our Sovereignty protected to the death, by the leaders who swore to protect us! (And the UN, LaRaza, the ACLU and those wishing and willing to sell us out, were all part of the nightmare - and are gone.)
We have idiots for leaders would be my first guess. We have an election coming up which is an opportunity to make a change, but it looks like the electorate just found bigger and better idiots than we already have. Same old same, believe the lies, the new converts, and complain about it later.
Who cares about national security? We can still buy cheap chi-com $l-l it at Wally-World. It’s a shell game they call free-trade and anyone who tries to address it is treated like a flat-earther. The free-traders will debate me, but they won’t trade with me. Hmmmmm, free-traders that won’t trade. I get to be China, they get to be the US, and we trade. If it is good for America, then it certainly must be good for them?
The dream is thinking that there is a difference between the top dogs at the Democrat Party, the Republican Party and the United Nations.
No Clinton is still waiting in the shadows, Jorge is just wanting to help his faraway friends with any problems they may have.
Correction: That is not the "dream". What you are talking about, is the nightmare that we are all living in, right now!
This is my first primary. Before now, I would have written you off as a “Black Copter” type. But now, I have learned that your comment is basically correct in many ways. I think perhaps it evokes a feeling of powerlessness and helplessness to admit the truth?
...good post. More people need to know as to what’s going on. Duncan Hunter won’t give China any reason to get hostile, but he won’t give the PLA everything it wants.
It's time to re-equip and stuff these guys on the decks:
(1999)
http://www.conservativeusa.org/panama-washtimes.htm
“Senate Majority Leader Trent Lott recently wrote to Defense Secretary William S. Cohen that a Chinese shipping company is gaining broad authority over the Panama Canal and could deny passage to U.S. ships.
“It appears that we have given away the farm without a shot being fired,” the Mississippi Republican said in the Aug. 1 letter requesting Mr. Cohen’s security assessment.
It was the first time a congressional leader has raised questions about growing Chinese influence over one of the world’s most strategic waterways. Until now, warnings were being raised primarily by a handful of conservative lawmakers, led by Rep. Dana Rohrabacher, California Republican, who plans a fact-finding trip to Panama on Monday.
The focus of concern is Hutchinson Whampoa Ltd., a giant Hong Kong-based shipping firm with ties to China’s leadership and its armed forces, the People’s Liberation Army (PLA).
Under circumstances the U.S. Embassy in Panama called unusual, the government in 1997 awarded Hutchinson a 25- to 50-year contract to run the two major ports on the canal’s Atlantic and Pacific entrances.
Moreover, conservatives assert that Panama gave Hutchinson broader powers in legislation known as “Law No. 5.”
Al Santoli, an aide to Mr. Rohrabacher, said the law enables Hutchinson to assign the pilots who take control of ships and steer them through the canal. He also said the Chinese company can block passage of ships to meet its business needs.
This contention was challenged by a spokesman for the Panama Canal Commission, a panel of five Americans and four Panamanians who run the waterway. The Panama Canal Commission spokesman said the treaty gives the United States the right to intervene militarily to protect access.
Mr. Lott wrote to Mr. Cohen, “This administration is allowing a scenario to develop where U.S. national security interests could not be protected without confronting the Chinese communists in the Americas. U.S. naval ships will be at the mercy of Chinese-controlled pilots and could even be denied passage through the Panama Canal by Hutchinson, an arm of the People’s Liberation Army.
“In addition, the Chinese Communist Party will gain an intelligence information advantage by controlling this strategic chokepoint. It appears that we have given away the farm without a shot being fired.”
The senator sent the letter based on an article in Insight magazine, a sister publication of The Washington Times, that detailed Hutchinson’s ties to the PLA. The Times first reported in 1997 that Hutchinson had gained control of the port of Balboa on the Pacific and Cristobal on the Atlantic.
The United States is the No. 1 user of the canal that carries 13,000 ships per year.
The U.S. military is abandoning bases in Panama under a 1977 treaty, signed by President Carter, that gives canal ownership to Panama, effective Dec. 31.........”
Hmm, Carter. Hillary Clinton votes against all free-trade agreements except China, Vietnam. Is there a connection here?
Duncan Hunter is the one we need to lead our country in these next 8 yrs. because these are going to be very tenuous. We need a man who is sure of himself and knows how to lead. Duncan Hunter has shown time and time again he is that man.
Regardless, this incident was a much needed wake-up call for the USN and DoD, whose policy toward PLAN has been to try and win their hearts and minds rather than containing it. Allowing routine visits to American warships by senior ChiCom admirals was stupid, as was dismantling our ASW capabilities after 1991. Now the chickens are finally coming home to roost...
In a few weeks I will have my next annual update available.
These commies have pissed me off with their refusal to allow our minesweeps to enter Hong Kong during the recent cyclone. Her is a note I just sent to their public image site:
Hello, As a lifelong mariner an prior U.S. Navy sailor I am disgusted at your government’s behavior in refusing a Port of Refuge request by our U.S. Navy minesweepers when a tropical cyclone was bearing down on them. Shame on you. Your hissy fit put my fellow sailors in danger.
I have lately been shopping for a metal lathe for my shop and was in the process of ordering a Grizzly lathe, which is Made In China. However, in response to your egregious act I vow to never again buy a product from your COMMUNIST country. I will instead buy a lathe from the FREE, INDEPENDENT country of TAIWAN. I will also include in the advertisement for my company a statement detailing China’s behavior and encouraging those reading it to BUY TAIWANESE.
Reap what you sew, commie pigs.
Disrespectfully, Dana *&$#^$^
I don’t think he ever left.
We can thank the Chinese for exposing this weakness now instead of waiting until there is actual shooting. You can bet the Navy is pulling out all the stops to figure out how to counter this threat.
By the way, thanks, too, to all the environmentalists who have been protesting the Navy’s testing of new, sophisticated sonar systems because they might give a whale a migrane.
BTT!
Thanks for the ping. B4DH.
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Why the smart money is on Duncan Hunter
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1926032/posts
Posted on 11/15/2007 3:43:17 AM PST by Kevmo
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ABC has a story today about the GOP U tube debates. They have a photo of all the candidates and Hunter is on the end and cut in half. They barely mention him in 3 pages of the article.
Here is a great little video!
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Below is a very short clip on Duncan Hunter’s America... which sounds a lot like my America, how about you?”
http://redstaterusa.blogspot.com/2007/11/duncan-hunter-has-cool-hair.html
BTT
Exactly, at one time I did believe that there was a difference in the two parties goals. Today I realize that they are so similar, they could be mistaken for twins.
When I started posting on FR, I believed that we, the people, could actually reverse the direction of the illegal alien invasion. After all 87% of Americans disagreed with it. Have any local, state or federal officials listened to our demands? Nope, none that give a damn what we think. Have we succeeded even partially in our goal? Nope, we like to think we have but their kids are still granted US citizenship, their criminals still are hospitalized and fed with our tax dollars.
So, we spend $631 Billion dollars a year educating, housing, feeding, arresting, detaining, imprisoning, medicating, etc., these people with divided loyaties who cannot succeed in their home countries.
In the meantime our national sovereignty and self respect disolves. A lot of people will deny what’s happening because it is painful to accept the truth. Let them keep their blinders on if it makes them feel better.
These commies in our government have pissed me off much more than them Chinese ever will.
Anybody want to bet we were tailing the Chinese sub ?
Roger that!
Duncan Certainly got dissed at the debate last night. One look at his record, and there is no doubt that he is the candidate of choice for anyone claiming to be conservative.
Thankfully he will get a say on this. I have an interview scheduled with Mr Hunter on Monday, Dec 10th, at 8pm eastern time. He will be appearing on my Internet Radio Show, “The Politics Cafe” @ www.hernco.com and www.asi-online.org/ . I do plan to ask some of the same questions that Duncan Hunter should have been allowed to answer in this debate.
Anyone wishing to participate in the show, can also come to the Politics Lobby 4 Secure Our Borders Chat room on Paltalk. ( Found under Social Issues and Politics)(stop by anytime, conservative discussion always welcomed), I guarantee, that some good questions will be asked, and that Mr Hunter will show why he is the best choice for the President of the USA.
Thanks, Mark , host of the Politics Cafe
Wake up fellow Americans! Communist China is not our friend.
Thank you sir!!
Only ONE candidate is talking about China BUMP!
Can you send us a reminder to tune in?
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You see this follow up to the Chinese sub yet?
Oops, I see you did.
Can you freepmail me a press release style content and we will send it out and post it?
You all see this yet?
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