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The Impossible Dinosaurs - Megafauna and Attenuated Gravity
Kronia.com ^ | Ted Holden

Posted on 03/21/2008 2:01:20 AM PDT by Swordmaker

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To: bvw

Right, as long as we are clear that it is an “opinion” based on your personal preference rather than some objective conclusion based on the evidence.


121 posted on 03/23/2008 6:57:41 PM PDT by Truthsearcher
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To: Swordmaker
In fact the structure of mouse muscle and elephant muscle is so similar that a microscopist would have difficulty identifying them except for a larger number of mitrochondria in the smaller animal.

Except that a small chimp, small compared to a 6 foot human, can completely tear the human a new arsehole.
122 posted on 03/23/2008 7:01:43 PM PDT by aruanan
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To: Truthsearcher

What is the objective conclusion based on the evidence, then?


123 posted on 03/23/2008 7:17:10 PM PDT by bvw
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To: Truthsearcher
Every observer has a bias of being an observer -- that bias consists of many things, but different observers will have different biases and thus will observe -- objectively! -- different aspects. Conclusions are opinions. There is no such thing as an "objective conclusion". All conclusions are subjective.

Here you'd like that the answer is a biological one. Me, I'd like the variant-G one. WHY I like the G one is not fully known to me -- but it includes that I think that the ramifications of G variance haven't been fully explored, and that the red shift has always bothered me.

124 posted on 03/23/2008 7:24:36 PM PDT by bvw
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To: aruanan

answered adequately above...


125 posted on 03/23/2008 7:30:16 PM PDT by jeddavis
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To: aruanan
Except that a small chimp, small compared to a 6 foot human, can completely tear the human a new arsehole.

Still their muscles are essentially equally strong per square centimeter of cross section within a few percentage points if any difference at all... Connection of the muscles to the bones and the moment of leverage has a lot more to do with the differences.

126 posted on 03/23/2008 9:15:57 PM PDT by Swordmaker (Remember, the proper pronunciation of IE is "AAAAIIIIIEEEEEEE!)
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To: js1138
Much of the compensation for the weight problem would be found in the internal structure of bones. Are they bird-like?

A Teratorn WAS a bird... and we have entire skeletons.

127 posted on 03/23/2008 9:18:41 PM PDT by Swordmaker (Remember, the proper pronunciation of IE is "AAAAIIIIIEEEEEEE!)
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To: js1138
Again, you assume that because bio-physics is not a mature science, the uncertainties require overturning Newton and Einstein.

What makes you think that Bio-physics is not a mature science? And who is overturning Newton and Einstein... not me. There are potential answers to this dilemma that do not offend either Newton or Einstein (ignoring for the moment that Einstein's work in some instances invalidated Newton). The point is to not ignore the data, sweeping it under the rug.

128 posted on 03/23/2008 9:23:08 PM PDT by Swordmaker (Remember, the proper pronunciation of IE is "AAAAIIIIIEEEEEEE!)
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To: Swordmaker
The Impossible Dinosaurs - Megafauna and Attenuated Gravity


The possible Dinosaurs - thru Scaling
129 posted on 03/23/2008 9:27:09 PM PDT by modican
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To: modican
The possible Dinosaurs - thru Scaling

What scaling?

130 posted on 03/23/2008 9:37:04 PM PDT by Swordmaker (Remember, the proper pronunciation of IE is "AAAAIIIIIEEEEEEE!)
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To: modican
The possible Dinosaurs - thru Scaling

Did you read the article?

131 posted on 03/23/2008 9:40:04 PM PDT by Swordmaker (Remember, the proper pronunciation of IE is "AAAAIIIIIEEEEEEE!)
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To: Swordmaker
There are potential answers to this dilemma that do not offend either Newton or Einstein (ignoring for the moment that Einstein's work in some instances invalidated Newton).

Of course there are possible solutions that don't violate physics, but they aren't coming from Ted.

You have a few data points which, when interpreted by idiots, suggest that the earth's day was two or three hours long as recently as 65 million years ago. Nothing else in physics is consistent with this interpretation, but never mind.

And by the way, Einstein did not invalidate Newton. There is no gravitational phenomenon in the vicinity of the earth that requires invoking relativity.

132 posted on 03/24/2008 5:43:29 AM PDT by js1138
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Re: ...but they aren’t coming from Ted.

So you assert. Yet you have not offered anything substantive, just a bunch of negative claims without evidence. As I have said these are the facts. These animals existed yet if they were to exist today under today’s conditions, their physics and biology don’t work.


133 posted on 03/24/2008 10:04:21 AM PDT by Swordmaker (Remember, the proper pronunciation of IE is "AAAAIIIIIEEEEEEE!)
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To: Swordmaker

What all if anything is known about the 200’ sauropod whose image you posted above?? A real weight figure for that guy assuming he ever existed would likely fall between half a million and a million pounds. Weights you read for other large sauropods are lowball figures since the scientists who study them know they have a basic problem. Christopher McGowan originally published a figure of about 180 tons for the ultrasaur based purely on volumetrics and figures for similarly built but smaller creatures and caught all sorts of grief for it, but the original estimate was probably right.


134 posted on 03/24/2008 10:10:39 AM PDT by jeddavis
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To: Swordmaker
These animals existed yet if they were to exist today under today’s conditions, their physics and biology don’t work.

The problem is not with the physics. It is insanely stupid to assert, based on reconstructions projected from a few fossils, that physics and astronomy is all wrong about the physical history of the earth.

135 posted on 03/24/2008 11:57:31 AM PDT by js1138
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To: Swordmaker
Just so everyone knows the extent of the flimsiness of your conjectures, here's what we know about your largest dinosaur.

"Amphicoelias (pronounced /ˌæmfɨˈsiːliəs/, meaning 'doubly hollow', from the Greek amphi: "on both sides", and koilos: "hollow, concave") is a genus of herbivorous sauropod dinosaur that includes what may be the largest dinosaur ever discovered, A. fragillimus. Based on surviving descriptions of a single fossil bone, A. fragillimus may have been the longest known vertebrate at 40–60 meters (131–196 ft) in length, and may have had a mass of up to 122 metric tons (135 short tons), rivaling the heaviest animal known, the blue whale. However, because the only fossil remains were lost at some point after being studied and described in the 1870s, evidence survives only in drawings and field notes."

136 posted on 03/24/2008 1:49:04 PM PDT by js1138
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To: jeddavis

>>Aside from that, the comparison in the article did not involve apes; the contrast was between a top human athlete who works out with weights 25 hours a day and uses food to flavor his dyanabol with, and a herbivore (sauropod) whose body is mainly gut and digestive system. There’s no possible way the herbivore figures to be stronger on a per pound basis.<<

So are you basically arguing that Dinosaurs are impossible?


137 posted on 03/25/2008 5:26:27 PM PDT by gondramB (Preach the Gospel at all times, and when necessary, use words.)
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To: modican

>>The Impossible Dinosaurs - Megafauna and Attenuated Gravity


The possible Dinosaurs - thru Scaling<<

Maybe the flood changed the gravity.


138 posted on 03/25/2008 5:38:53 PM PDT by gondramB (Preach the Gospel at all times, and when necessary, use words.)
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To: gondramB

The larger dinosaurs would be impossible in present gravity. They used to think they lived in water but nobody believes that any more since they had no adaptation for any sort of an aquatic life.


139 posted on 03/25/2008 5:53:47 PM PDT by jeddavis
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To: jeddavis

>>The larger dinosaurs would be impossible in present gravity. They used to think they lived in water but nobody believes that any more since they had no adaptation for any sort of an aquatic life.<<

Are you saying its simpler to believe that gravity changed than that we don’t yet understand something about dinosaurs?


140 posted on 03/25/2008 5:55:07 PM PDT by gondramB (Preach the Gospel at all times, and when necessary, use words.)
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