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To: NCLaw441
You seem pretty intelligent, so I must assume you meant it as a slight to believers.

Thank you, and it wasn't really.

Many of us who believe in God do not do so “to get through our day” as you say. We believe because we are led to believe. I imagine that there are some who say they believe in order to comfort themselves in some manner, and others who say they believe in order to fit in with those they wish to associate with.

The bolded statement is my exact problem with organized religion. I'll let you read into that what you like, but I don't like people telling me what I can and can't believe. Give me the facts and I'll decide what's right and wrong. My experience with people who are religious not because of tradition (their parents and their grandparents etc.) but because something tripped in their lives (drug or alcohol abuse, other personal events) is that they are dogmatic to the point of being illogical and irrational about their belief. Those ARE the people who have chosen religion to "get through their day."

But I venture to say that MOST of those who believe in God do so out of a sense of internal logic, personal experience and/or a true, abiding faith totally independent of any comfort or relief that the belief may provide.

My personal experience with many (definitely not all, but many) religious people is that the belief in God gives them a way to explain away the unknown. I don't want to invoke imaginary all-powerful beings to explain the unknown. I want to know the underlying mechanisms. I want to explore and probe the unknown. A belief in God (as creator anyway) would hinder that goal rather than help me towards it.

My next statements may be construed by some as a fear of religion, but let me set you straight, I'm not afraid of it, I just know (perhaps too much) about it. I have done a non-trivial amount of study of the major religions. I don't consider myself an expert by any stretch of the imagination. But what i do know is that I don't want to be part of any of them, and I don't want to be forced to be part of any of them (RoP clause). Religion, much like government, is about control over a population. Many people are controlled by fear. That's a normal, healthy response. In this case it is fear of the unknown. I think that one major reason there is a clash between religion and science is not so much that they want to destroy eachother, but that they have competing goals. Science wants to explain the unknown, while religion already has explained it and now wants to consider the matter closed. That's not good enough for most scientists. We became scientists for the sole purpose of furthering knowledge. Not only our own, but also the collective knowledge bank of society.

In short, true faith is not something one merely elects to have (or pretend to have). For those who do not believe and who say so, I respect that and I respect the honesty of it. Because I believe, however, I hope and pray (yes, pray) that non-believers will be open to receiving the gift of faith if that gift should find its way to their doorstep.

You view your faith as a gift, that is your prerogative. I view it as a way of explaining away things that you don't want to bother yourself thinking about. Luckily for us, there are still some that want to know. That being said, if God were to show himself tomorrow and provide proof that he created the universe, I'd be the first one in line to subscribe to his recollection of events. But until that point, I'm going to keep searching.

93 posted on 04/17/2008 12:36:07 PM PDT by AntiKev ("The Earth is a very small stage in a vast cosmic arena." - Carl Sagan)
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To: AntiKev
You view your faith as a gift, that is your prerogative. I view it as a way of explaining away things that you don't want to bother yourself thinking about. Luckily for us, there are still some that want to know.

You don't want to know, you want it explained. You're like the 10 year old that spoils the magic show by annoying the magician asking how he did the trick. Faith my friend is what you need to seek, not knowledge.

That being said, if God were to show himself tomorrow and provide proof that he created the universe, I'd be the first one in line to subscribe to his recollection of events. But until that point, I'm going to keep searching.

He did. You're too blind to see! His proof is in everything you see and hear. Some for the good and some that is not that great, but the proof is there. Very subtle but there. But prove it yourself. Make something out of absolute nothing. Dust could not exist without God. It just wasn't suddenly there. God created it as well as you. His wonderful gift is to give you free will to accept or denounce him. People like you only seem to accept him when your clutching your heart or about to die, yet you seem to denounce those that where hurting with addiction and were saved. It sounds like your "exposure" to God only comes from AA meetings. Try church and open up your heart. We are not freaks or vampires looking to cram Jesus down your throat. It doesn't work that way. God will reveal himself to you through his son, who died for you, if only you ask....and sincerely mean it.

104 posted on 04/17/2008 1:27:50 PM PDT by Bommer (Hmmm who to vote for? A Far leftist? A Radical Leftist? Or a Republican that enjoys being a Leftist?)
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