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The New Infantry Epoch (forget fighter planes... dogfaces win wars today)
The Wilson Quarterly ^ | Spring 2008 | Editors at WQ

Posted on 05/12/2008 2:40:36 PM PDT by DesScorp

An epochal shift in the immemorial cycle of war is under way, writes retired major general Robert H. Scales, the former commandant of the Army War College. The infantry is back. America’s enemies have learned that they can’t win blitzkrieg- age wars, so they no longer fight them. They have moved the battlefields to cities, jungles, and mountains, where the U.S. military’s techno log­ically superior ma chines are ineffective.

“The enemy chooses to fight as infantry because he can win the infantry fight,” Scales says, and America’s experience in Iraq and Afghanistan shows that the nation has no choice but to meet its opponent on uncongenial terrain.

In recent wars, he writes, infantry soldiers have suffered four of five combat deaths even though they make up less than four percent of U.S. military personnel. In wars waged with armor, airpower, and other heavy armaments, the kill ratios were skewed in America’s favor: In the World War II Pacific campaign, 13 enemy soldiers died for every American killed; in Europe against the Germans, the ratio was 11 to 1; in Korea, 13 to 1. But in the second battle of Fallujah, in November 2004, the ratio in close combat nar rowed to 9 to 1, and for soldiers fighting inside buildings, the ratios were “much closer to parity,” Scales writes.

(Excerpt) Read more at wilsoncenter.org ...


TOPICS: Military/Veterans; Miscellaneous
KEYWORDS: army; infantry; strategy; war
This is a Wilson Quarterly review of Maj. General Scales article at: http://www.armedforcesjournal.com/2007/12/3133328
1 posted on 05/12/2008 2:40:36 PM PDT by DesScorp
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2 posted on 05/12/2008 2:58:21 PM PDT by wastedyears (The US Military is what goes Bump in the night.)
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To: DesScorp

The Iraqi front is now primarily being engaged by the Sniper. “Trigger Men” is an excellent read and provides a look at the modern Iraqi battlefield.


3 posted on 05/12/2008 2:58:41 PM PDT by taxcontrol
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That will be fixed soon, once this baby is perfected. Full armor and a larger assault rifle will un-even the score in our favor.
4 posted on 05/12/2008 2:59:48 PM PDT by RockyMtnMan
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To: DesScorp
Two quotes for your enjoyment:

1. "The contest is always man to man, to end up with; everything in national defense is designed for that purpose and it has got to be that" - William Mitchell

2. And now for a song...

The Infantry, the Infantry, with dirt
behind their ears
The Infantry, the Infantry, can drink their
weight in beers;
The Cavalry, the Artillery, and the God-
d@mmed Eingineers
Can Never beat the Infantry in a hundred
thousand years

5 posted on 05/12/2008 3:01:59 PM PDT by BloodOrFreedom
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To: DesScorp
Just pull out the troops to about ten miles away and glass the place. A B-61 can brighten anybody's day!
6 posted on 05/12/2008 3:11:51 PM PDT by OldMissileer (Atlas, Titan, Minuteman, PK. Winners of the Cold War)
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To: DesScorp
“The enemy chooses to fight as infantry because he can win the infantry fight,” Scales says, and America’s experience in Iraq and Afghanistan shows that the nation has no choice but to meet its opponent on uncongenial terrain.

Why no choice. Think outside your Infantry box General.

In recent wars, he writes, infantry soldiers have suffered four of five combat deaths even though they make up less than four percent of U.S. military personnel. In wars waged with armor, airpower, and other heavy armaments, the kill ratios were skewed in America’s favor: In the World War II Pacific campaign, 13 enemy soldiers died for every American killed; in Europe against the Germans, the ratio was 11 to 1; in Korea, 13 to 1. But in the second battle of Fallujah, in November 2004, the ratio in close combat nar rowed to 9 to 1, and for soldiers fighting inside buildings, the ratios were “much closer to parity,” Scales writes.

So General Scales wants to continue fighting the way the enemy chooses to fight? You don't win wars fighting on the enemies terms, or if you insist on fighting that way, and winning, the cost in lives will be high.

Much better to kill the enemy wholesale rather than retail. That doesn't meant you don't use infantry, it means you support them with as much heavy weaponry that you can bring to bear on the problem. Today that means using the infantry to find the enemy, and then using precision guided munitions, either artillery or air delivered, to kill him, preferably in wholesale lots. Just as in previous wars, you attack not only the enemy fighters with your troops, but his logistics "tail". And even guerrilla/jihadist fighters have a logistics tail. The current one leads straight to Iran. When we have not gone after the emeny's rear area and his logistics tail, we have at best fought to a draw. I'd just as soon avoid that in this case.

7 posted on 05/12/2008 3:34:07 PM PDT by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: DesScorp
Most important, Scales argues, the Pentagon should pay infan­trymen better.

As much as I would agree that the infantryman should be well-compensated, I don't think that increases in compensation will lead to significantly more recruits. I just don't think that those who enroll in the infantry are driven by dollar signs.

8 posted on 05/12/2008 3:42:08 PM PDT by Fractal Trader
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To: DesScorp

Seems to me that every time somebody has ever predicted that a certain weapon or tactic was obsolete for future combat... they’ve been wrong. People have predicted the obsolescence of heavy armor, artillery, and infantry at one time or another. And they’ve been shown to be wrong.

Heck, I wouldn’t be surprised to see a resurgence in the use of sword and shield for close-quarters combat. Put a little fear into the insurgents, for sure... :-)


9 posted on 05/12/2008 3:43:24 PM PDT by Ramius (Personally, I give us... one chance in three. More tea?)
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To: wastedyears

Beautiful pic of the Navy Hellcat. Quite a plane.

I read somewhere that, statistics wise, the Hellcat had one of the best records of WW2.


10 posted on 05/12/2008 3:44:08 PM PDT by sasportas
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To: BloodOrFreedom

want a song? Turn up your speakers

http://www.west-point.org/greimanj/west_point/songs/RodgerYoung.htm

Some other nice ones around there also.


11 posted on 05/12/2008 3:50:26 PM PDT by PeteB570 (NRA - Life member and Black Rifle owner)
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To: DesScorp

God Bless the Infantry!

My old crossed rifles mean more to me than my college degrees.


12 posted on 05/12/2008 4:13:35 PM PDT by Brucifer (G. W. Bush "The dog ate my copy of the Constitution.")
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To: PeteB570

damn fine song...my old man and I used to drink beer and sing it at the kitchen table...Pop was an infantryman, a decorated Korean War vet (one of the Frozen Chosin)...thanks for posting this...


13 posted on 05/12/2008 4:30:37 PM PDT by nicko (CW3 (ret.) CPT, you need to just unass the AO; I know what I'm doing- Major, you're on your own.)
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To: nicko

You are most welcome.

I really like this one for some odd reason.

http://www.west-point.org/greimanj/west_point/songs/bloodontherisers.htm


14 posted on 05/12/2008 4:39:56 PM PDT by PeteB570 (NRA - Life member and Black Rifle owner)
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To: El Gato
"Much better to kill the enemy wholesale rather than retail."

You're missing his point. You can't kill the enemy wholesale when they're hiding among women and children in urban areas, as Al Qaeda does in Iraq and Afghanistan. Hezbollah learned this successfully against Israel last year.

We simply do not have the national will, for good or ill, to indiscriminately slaughter entire cities full of civilians just to get to some insurgents.
15 posted on 05/12/2008 5:28:46 PM PDT by DesScorp
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To: DesScorp
I Am the Infantry- FOLLOW ME!
16 posted on 05/12/2008 5:38:00 PM PDT by TADSLOS (The GOP death march to the gravesite is underway.)
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To: PeteB570

Very nice. What a great sound. Thank you


17 posted on 05/12/2008 9:05:29 PM PDT by BloodOrFreedom
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To: DesScorp
You're missing his point. You can't kill the enemy wholesale when they're hiding among women and children in urban areas, as Al Qaeda does in Iraq and Afghanistan. Hezbollah learned this successfully against Israel last year.
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We simply do not have the national will, for good or ill, to indiscriminately slaughter entire cities full of civilians just to get to some insurgents.

You don't have to slaughter whole cities. It's what systems like Excaliber, small diameter bomb, and other precision guided weapons are for. You isolate the enemy fighters, and then blow up the building they are in. Yes, you'll probably a get few of their own women and children, but whose fault is that. It's most likely more effective in terms of sorties per insurgent killed. And a lot more effective in terms of insurgents killed per infantryman killed or maimed.

18 posted on 05/12/2008 10:20:25 PM PDT by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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