Skip to comments.How Much Time Does the U.S. Have?
Posted on 06/20/2008 5:34:05 AM PDT by samiam1972
A friend recently asked: How long do we have left as a society? In answer to that question I informed her about an interesting and comprehensive study that a renowned British anthropologist, Joseph Unwin, PhD., presented to the British Psychological Society in 1935. Unwin sought to prove that the traditional monogamous model for marriage was not essential to the maintenance of a healthy society. After studying 86 different cultures, across time and continents and much to his surprise he came to the inescapable conclusion that the traditional male-female monogamous model for marriage was indeed the best foundation for a healthy and productive society. Unwin found that societies that adopted this model typically took about three generations to reach their peak of productivity and progress. After that, frequently, a gradual development of complacency and licentiousness would take place and what he described as an outburst of homosexuality would sometimes occur. When that happened, and the society started to move away from the traditional model of male-female monogamous marriage as its foundation, it would begin to unravel. It would then take another three generations of deterioration from that point for the society to collapse. It is my opinion that between the end of the American Civil War and the Reconstruction of the South, proceeding through the Industrial Revolution, and continuing up until about the end of World War II in 1945, the U.S. reached its zenith. Then came the U.S. Supreme Courts Everson decision in 1947 which imposed an unconstitutional Wall of Separation between Church and State. This directly contradicted the vision of the founding fathers. Upon his farewell address to the nation, George Washington tried to impress upon his fellow countrymen that it was Religion and Morality that served as the foundation for our young nation.
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Depends on what the SCOTUS decides on Monday.
Our thinking about human sexuality was transformed in the late 1940’s and early 1950’s by Alfred Kinsey, using false and fraudulent statistics — including the 10% myth concerning the number of homosexuals in the population. His work was based largely on the deviant sexual practices reported by those in prison. His flawed conclusions were not surprising since 86% of convicted child molesters against males describe themselves as being either homosexual or bisexual. A young college student at the time, Hugh Hefner, was influenced by Kinsey’s work and started what was to become the Playboy empire which in turn helped launch the sexual revolution of the 1960’s.
The U.S. Supreme Court decision in Griswold in 1965 (which found a new constituitional “right to privacy” for contraception) was the next big judicial construct. This in turn helped fuel the feminist revolution of the 1970’s since women were no longer “chained to their homes” by babies to raise. But, since contraception does not always work, the U.S. Supreme Court had to find a new application for the constitutional right to privacy, which it did in Roe v. Wade in 1973. This travesty of a judicial decision allowed for abortion on-demand. With the new influx of contracepting and “liberated” women in the workplace, having more extramarital affairs than ever, it was of course necessary to adopt liberal No-Fault Divorce laws. In this way, the cheating spouses could easily get out of their lifelong marital commitments with little or no legal penalty or social stigma.
This in turn created the situation where there were far more little boys growing up with no strong male role models at home and far more little girls being raised with no father or by step-fathers more likely to sexually abuse them (e.g. Ellen DeGeneres). In either event, we increased the number of male and female homosexuals by enhancing the risk factors for developmental gender confusion and the psycho-social deficits which eventually lead to the same-sex attraction. Hence, the need for yet another constitutional right to privacy to be announced by the U.S. Supreme Court in the horrific Lawrence decision in 2003 — this time for homosexual sodomy. Thus, what started with the uncoupling of sexuality and procreation in the Griswold (contraception) case has now reached its unnatural conclusion with the legalization and normalization of homosexual sodomy in the Lawrence case. After all, if sex is only about adult emotional attachments, and not procreation, then why not homosexuality?
Of course, the downward slide of our society has been greatly accelerated by the explosion of pornography on the Internet which has weakened the natural romantic attraction between young people and replaced it with unbridled selfish sexual gratification. This has further lessened the natural resistance and even revulsion to various sexual perversions. Indeed, just this past week we have witnessed the sitting Chief Appellate Justice of the largest federal judicial district in the nation, posting disgusting sexual images on his website (involving people and animals) while presiding over a pornography trial involving beastiality and extreme fetishes. Where does all of this lead us — to same-sex “marriage,” of course. And how much time do we have left by Unwin’s standards — I would say that we are at least at the end of the second generation of deterioration, if not already well into the final third generation before the collapse.
Can we stop this societal suicide — possibly, but not if we can’t stop same-sex “marriage” in California in November 2008, and not without supernatural help. Without the foundation of Religion and Morality that George Washingoton and the other founding fathers provided for us, there is simply no real hope for the future of this country.
Finally, since it is only in our maleness and femaleness that we are made in the image and likeness of God, the destruction of the concept of gender is perhaps Satan’s greatest accomplishment. Moreover, since the sacramental marriage of a husband and wife is used to image the relationship of Christ and His Church, even the idea of same-sex ”marriage” is a sacrilege. Therefore, separate and apart from the seemingly accurate prognastications of Professor Unwin, I just don’t see how a God of Justice can tolerate such a diabolical mockery of His divinely ordained instituion of marriage for very long. Indeed, the same man to whom our Lord entrusted the Keys to the Kingdom warned us that: “…in the last days there shall come deceitful scoffers, walking after their own lusts… ” (2 Peter 3:3). In conclusion, I informed my friend that although we have had the privilege of living in the greatest nation in the history of the world, based on the foregoing, we may very well be seeing it in its waning years. May the God of our fathers have mercy on us and our beloved country.
One need only look to the past to see how the former great superpowers met their demise. Licentiousness was rampant towards the collapse of the Roman Empire.
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I had never really considered this until I read it here, but he is absolutely correct.
30+ years ago, a good friend, native born Italian, surveyed the growing feminist movement in the US and 'predicted' that it would soon be followed by demands from the homosexual community. At the time, I laughed ... but I'm not laughing any more. Italians study Ancient Rome and Greece. He explained how both civilizations had eventually collapsed under the weight of feminism and homosexuality.
I think I may have posted this article in the wrong spot. I believe it should have been in News/Activism or possibly the Religion Forum. Could you please move it to a more appropriate place? I’ll try to do better next time!
Thank you so much!
ery good and important post!
Yes, it makes me cringe at all the ‘gender-neutral’ toys, etc. on the market today. I never thought about it like that. Don’t get me wrong, I’m not going to ban blocks from my house or anything! ;0)
As Tolkien said Christianity's march through time will look like a long slow defeat. Our hope is in what happens after.
Depends on what the SCOTUS decides on Monday.
Back in the early 90s when soccer became big with coed teams I realized that it was being used to destroy morality. Boys and girls were being taught that they were “the same” and then they hit puberty and they saw nothing wrong with having sex with their “friends” with no strings attached.
Yes ... good point. Notice too how boys have been emasculated in the public schools, beginning in pre-K. The boys are expected to sit quietly at their desks and behave like the good little girls. When they continue to act up, it is suggested to parents that they have the boys tested for ADHD. Look at the number of children on ritalyn and which percentage is male. Drugs keep them quiet and in their seats. It is not surprising that after years of this feminist indoctrination, some boys question their male sexuality.
Exactly! Mothers seldom want to hear this, but boys NEED to have fist fights growing up. They DO NOT need to talk about their feelings or other such nonsense. As a rule, there is no reason that a six or seven year old boy should even WANT to spend time with a girl of the same age who is not his sister.
Depends on what the SCOTUS decides on Monday.
Is it just me or is there something inherently WRONG with the fact that our Republic’s survival has been twisting in the wind for decades now based upon the whims of nine unelected judges?
They’ve also been aided over the decades by the string of corrupt and morally bankrupt politicians who’ve seized power. Johnson, Carter, Kennedy, Reid, Pelosi, Daschle, Newsom, Spitzer, Perry, Blanco, Nagin, and the names go on............
Yep. We land “jam side down”, the energy situation, up coming election, etc... could all be moot.
The others are people abandoning principle for expediency and conservatism for mere Party loyalty.
Ah yes, how I remember last year when FReepers who claimed to be conservatives were telling us that we needed to stop being "single issue" voters and forget about things like abortion and homosexuality. The told us that we need to nominate Rudy or we were stuck with Hillary. And that (this is my favorite) conservatives had had their "foot on the neck" of the GOP for too long.
Western Civilization certainly seems to be in decline.
Many years ago, I suggested to my father's highly intelligent (and highly successful--and rich) brother that the United States could one day go the way of the Roman Republic. He said that he had often thought that that could well occur. This was before most of the events LiMandri cites took place.
This uncle, incidentally, was a staunch Republican--did NOT like Franklin Roosevelt. He was also open minded and liberal (in the true sense of the word; he admired Barry Goldwater). I once mentioned to him some evidence that talking to plants induced them to flourish. He replied: "I have always talked to mine." (His definitely flourished.) (Everything he did flourished.)
It seems to me that civilizations bloom and decline. This is nothing new. William Faulkner retold this familiar tale magnificently in Absalom! Absalom!.
It's hard to know whether each increment LiMandri mentions in America's descent from the Normandy Invasion to same sex marriage was the cause or the result of decadence.
It may be like periodic earthquakes occurring as techtonic plates sliding against each other incrementally experience tension, break, and release.
I have observed many times that the Left is decadence.
Certainly the decadence is to be opposed and resisted. But I'm not sure it can be stopped.
It seems to me that there are many parallels between America today and Rome at the inception of its Imperial phase, and that's cause for depression. The Left offers us bread, in the form of welfare and social programs, and circuses, in the form of increasingly licentious movies and TV, ubiquitous pornography, obscene popular music, etc., as Leftist leaders and elites amass enormous wealth and privileges for themselves. They pass draconian laws to which they exempt themselves. They claim to do it all for the public good--i.e. for the masses--but the bottom line is that they aggrandize themselves as a ruling aristocracy while anaesthetizing the peasantry (that's you and me) with bread and circuses.
I can't help wondering when someone or some court will come up with an excuse to overcome any objections to snuff films, battles to the death, or torture for public amusement. We can be happy that we're not there now. Maybe we never will be. But, considering the public outrage that would have occurred in the recent past to TV programs and movies that are routinely shown today--in fact to language used on the radio by Rush Limbaugh--one can't help wondering if the public outrage that a snuff film would cause today may not exist in future generations and thus it could become commonplace.
Will we reach the point, as Imperial Rome did, at which the wife of our supeme leader will hold a contest with a notorious prostitute to see which can service the most men in a night? Will the U.S. Congress become so insignifant that an Emperor will make his horse or dog a Senator--as occurred in Rome? Will a U.S. Emperor turn Congress into a brothel and force the wives and daughters of Congressmen to work there--as occurred in Imperial Rome? And will America degenerate to the point that such things are tolerated by the anaesthetized public--or even that they cause public amusement.
There is another way of looking at it all though.
It's true that sexual mores have declined, but sensitivity to other people and to animals has increased, and this is an improvement.
My wife says that, as a woman, she doesn't view the past with nostalgia. She adds that Black People probably don't either.
I was raised in a sexually repressed, puritannical family, and I certainly benefitted from more relaxed sexual attitudes.
I know one thing though: Decadent Imperial Rome was unopposed as a world power, but the U.S.A. and Europe are not. Islam is not decadent. Neither is China--and if anybody understands the cycles of ascension and decadence, it's the Chinese. India also seems to be in ascendancy. And many people--who refuse to be anaesthetized by bread and circuses will look elsewhere for ascendancy and lives free from decadence. This may be Islam's most important promise. The decadents who are encouraging and enjoy Western Civilization's downward slide will find themselves in very uncomfortable positions if decadent Western Civilization is replaced with something more ascendant while they're still around.
the US has
2 years left with Obama
3 years left with mccain
“Prayer and penance are needed, but also peace of heart. All is in God’s hands.”
It is. Good words to remember as the rain falls on both the good and the bad, and the wheat does grow with the tares.
One thing I have noticed is that while we do write and speak out, our voices seem to be less and less in the din. I think that is God’s plan, too.
Mark Mallett writes of the Bastion and all retreating behind it. The Bastion is the Immaculate Heart.
They don’t want to spend time with their sisters, either.
Nor should they. They should be out with boys their own age getting dirty and having fun.
If traditional marriage becomes anathema to our society - the uniting of a man and woman (opposites) in mutual love and trust - then there is even less reason for man to love and trust his neighbor. i.e., without marriage as an insitution and foundation of the family, there is not other outcome in society but every man for himself (disorder and perversion).
When will this happen? eh... it’s like boiling a frog. It’s been happening since the laxity of Western Civilization towards contraception...then abortion...then divorce...then co-habitation...then homosexual lifestyles...homosexual adoptions...and now homosexual marriages... next step is acceptance of polygamy...and then acceptance of pederasty...bestiality...whatever.
Do you see the progression? And it’s all been brewing for decades. Acceptance of homosexual marriage is, however, a crossing of the Rubicon, in that the definition of “what is marriage?” becomes an open-ended, unsolvable debate. If marriage is based simply on the exchange of affection, then certainly there is no reason to limit it to two partners, nor to limit it to human partners... or even sentient partners. Robots are already being programmed to display “affection”, and some have predicted that robots will be able to replicate sexual intercourse with a human counterpart.
If you want to take it further, by eliminating the true definition of marriage, society discredits and devalues Jesus’ marriage to His bride, the Church. If monogamous, heterosexual marriage becomes un-unique, then the whole concept of “Church” - in any respect of God communing with souls, not just Catholic - becomes, from the broader perspective of society, not only less relevant, but a hostile entity to the new moral code - an entity that society will decide must be put down once and for all if it is to progress (down) to the next level of moral disintegration. I’m speaking of persecuting Judeo-Christian sects that will not marry homosexuals, and revocation of the special protection that the Church has enjoyed to date, from the forces of social engineering who seek to impose their will upon Her.
There can be no mistake: the coming scourge of homosexual marriage will be a heavy cross we will all need to carry in the faith and trust that Jesus will never abandon His Bride. We are called to walk as angels among men. If society chooses this path, we must become that much stronger in our faith, and promise to raise our children to know and love and serve the Lord. It’s right for us to sorrow and mourn for the growing mistakes of our secular-atheist society, but we will triumph when it counts the most, when Christ returns to judge all mankind, living and dead...
As long as you let them get rough. Boys need to “work out” their differences with muscles, if you tell them that they need to talk to other boys “about their feelings” they don’t have a clue what you are talking about.
I’m trying to think of any occasion of a boy’s talking about his feelings (other than hunger or desire to play a computer game, etc.). Nothing’s coming to me ...
Of course, I’d rather talk about politics, pets, or laundry than about feelings, too.
And it doesn't really change much when we get older.
I'm not sure I've ever come across somebody who is so interested in laundry that they give it it's own category. Perhaps there are others like you and you could be the founder of an online laundry forum, you could have moderators and zot people for suggesting that dry cleaning is better.
and Im sick of it
Exactly! ANYBODY who thinks that the Founding Fathers intended for the courts to have this sort of power is either an idiot or a willing agent of Satan.
I have all boys. I found that they needed to fight among themselves and their friends from time to time. They would fight, then a half hour later they were playing again.
They learn that there is always somebody else bigger and stronger who can whoop them, negotiating skills, and the ability to drop a grudge when the fight is over.
I also think it is better for them to learn this young while the damage they can do to each other is limited to a bruise or a bloody nose.
Sounds archaic, but it works.
....and thats just my house LOL
Yep, I have two brothers and we fought all the time growing up. An hour or so later none of us knew what we were fighting about.
Maybe it is archaic, but the reality is that this is the way boys have ALWAYS been. We come “pre-programmed” this way, to try to change this is just plain stupid.
That about sums it up and now we are being told that we should accept unnatural and sinful lifestyles as "normal" because otherwise some fringe group will get "offended."
Twas not licentiousness that brought down the Russian empire a few decades ago, now was it? It was something else entirely.
You should have seen the looks on the faces of the 13 kids in my CCE class this past year. All 15-16 years old. I told them that God Himself created them differently. Boys and girls, male and female. They look different, they act different and they process thoughts/emotions differently. It didn’t matter what their liberal teachers and the media told them, they were different! The sooner that they accepted this and learned to work together as God had intended them, the happier and more stable they would be.
Thanks for posting!
And this whole notion that boys and girls are the “same” has been very recent. I am 41 years old and if any of this nonsense was being taught 25 years ago I certainly wasn’t exposed to it.
I clearly remember not wanting to have anything to do with girls growing up (I didn’t have any sisters) and then one day when I was about 12 years old an alarm went off in my head and I realized that girls actually did have something I wanted.
it seems an intentional trend - the ultimate goal in my opinion being a North American Union consisting of Canade, USA and Mexico
papa smurf pulls the smoke pole out of the closet at that point
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