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To: Who is John Galt?; wideawake
LOL! You suggest that the States did NOT reserve the right of secession? Please read the ratification documents of New York, Rhode Island and the Providence Plantations, and Virginia, PLUS the Tenth Amendment to the United States Constitution. You claim some "legitimate power of the federal government" to prevent State secession (~1860-61)?

To continue my analogy, that is like saying that you made a "reservation" allowing you to take money from other accounts when you opened yours. You can make any kind of "reservation" you like, but if you don't write it into a contract it doesn't matter. And for the record, some of those "reservations" refer to the right of rebellion, which is different from secession on demand.

Care to be more specific? Of course not.

That's the same tactic again. "Wideawake" and others explained this to you already. You act like you didn't read it, and when you've disgusted everyone so much that they give up, you pile on the sarcasm and act like you've won something.

Read Madison's December 23, 1832 letter to Nicholas Trist which denies the existence of a right to unilateral secession and denies that the Virginia Resolutions asserts anything of the kind.

244 posted on 09/05/2008 11:53:42 AM PDT by x
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To: x; Who is John Galt?
To continue my analogy, that is like saying that you made a "reservation" allowing you to take money from other accounts when you opened yours. You can make any kind of "reservation" you like, but if you don't write it into a contract it doesn't matter.

Yes, the "but I had my fingers crossed" excuse doesn't work.

Again: the supremacy clause gives the federal government complete authority to determine the constitutionality of the acts of state legislatures.

Secession - an act which asserts the supremacy of the state over the federal government in constitutional matters - is clearly a legal impossibility under the US Constitution.

245 posted on 09/05/2008 12:09:13 PM PDT by wideawake (Why is it that those who like to be called Constitutionalists know the least about the Constitution?)
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To: x
You can make any kind of "reservation" you like, but if you don't write it into a contract it doesn't matter.

Sorry, sport, but the 'reservations of rights' mentioned in the ratification documents are indeed a part of the contract.

WIJG: Care to be more specific? Of course not.

x:: That's the same tactic again. "Wideawake" and others explained this to you already.

Sorry, sport - I was just asking for a more specific reference. To which of the two uses of the word "supreme" in the US Constitution were you referring? One would indicate that you are a liberal; the other that you are a conservative. Based on your response, I assume it's the former. And as I noted earlier (in anticipation of your above response), I would suggest that you read Mr. Madison's 'Report on the Virginia Resolutions'...

You act like you didn't read it, and when you've disgusted everyone so much that they give up, you pile on the sarcasm and act like you've won something.

Sorry, sport, but I'm just tired of referring folks like you to the written, public declarations of the Founders - which you blatantly ignore, in post, after post, after post. The facts are there - but you choose to ignore them. "Sarcasm?" It's just a substitute for the absolute disgust you actually deserve...

Read Madison's December 23, 1832 letter to Nicholas Trist which denies the existence of a right to unilateral secession and denies that the Virginia Resolutions asserts anything of the kind.

Oh, you betcha! Why on earth would I give greater weight to an opinion voiced in a private letter, than I would to an opinion voiced in a document published for public consideration, during a time of political crisis? You sound like a freaking Clinton apologist ('Bill told everyone in America he didn't even know Monica, but that doesn't matter, because he mentioned the affair to his great-aunt Betty in a private letter.') Your opinions make me want to vomit...

246 posted on 09/05/2008 5:07:13 PM PDT by Who is John Galt? ("Sometimes I have to break the law in order to meet my management objectives." - Bill Calkins, BLM)
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