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The authorities have lied, and I am not glad (AIDS insiders expose the AIDS scam)
Spiked Online ^ | August 29, 2008 | Dr Michael Fitzpatrick

Posted on 09/07/2008 8:41:08 AM PDT by GodGunsGuts

Friday 29 August 2008

Friday 29 August 2008 The authorities have lied, and I am not glad

Dr Michael Fitzpatrick, author of 1987’s The Truth About the AIDS Panic, says it is a shame that AIDS insiders did not expose the myths and opportunism of the AIDS industry earlier. But still, better late than never.

Dr Michael Fitzpatrick

There is a widely accepted view that Britain was saved from an explosive epidemic of heterosexual AIDS in the late 1980s by a bold campaign initiated by gay activists and radical doctors and subsequently endorsed by the government and the mass media.

According to advocates of this view, we owe our low rates of HIV infection today largely to the success of initiatives such as the ‘Don’t Die of Ignorance’ leaflet distributed to 23million households and the scary ‘Tombstones and Icebergs’ television and cinema adverts (though they are always quick to add that we must maintain vigilance and guard against complacency).

Now former AIDS industry insiders are challenging the imminent heterosexual plague story and many of the other scare stories of the international AIDS panic. James Chin, author of The AIDS Pandemic: The Collision of Epidemiology with Political Correctness, is a veteran public health epidemiologist who worked in the World Health Organisation’s Global Programme on AIDS in the late 1980s and early 1990s. Elizabeth Pisani, a journalist turned epidemiologist and author of The Wisdom of Whores: Bureaucrats, Brothels and the Business of AIDS, spent most of the past decade working under the auspices of UNAIDS, which took over the global crusade against HIV in 1996. Once prominent advocates of the familiar doomsday scenarios, both have now turned whistleblowers on their former colleagues in the AIDS bureaucracy, a ‘byzantine’ world, according to Pisani, in which ‘money eclipses truth’.

For Chin, the British AIDS story is an example of a ‘glorious myth’ – a tale that is ‘gloriously or nobly false’, but told ‘for a good cause’. He claims that government and international agencies, and AIDS advocacy organisations, ‘have distorted HIV epidemiology in order to perpetuate the myth of the great potential for HIV epidemics to spread into “general” populations’. In particular, he alleges, HIV/AIDS ‘estimates and projections are “cooked” or made up’.

While Pisani disputes Chin’s claim that UNAIDS epidemiologists deliberately overestimated the epidemic, she admits to what she describes as ‘beating up’ the figures, insisting – unconvincingly – that there is a ‘huge difference’ between ‘making it up (plain old lying) and beating it up’. Pisani freely acknowledges her role in manipulating statistics to maximise their scare value, and breezily dismisses the ‘everyone-is-at-risk nonsense’ of the British ‘Don’t Die of Ignorance’ campaign.

Chin’s book offers a comprehensive exposure of the hollowness of the claims of the AIDS bureaucracy for the efficacy of their preventive campaigns. He provides numerous examples of how exaggerated claims for the scale of the HIV epidemic (and the risks of wider spread) in different countries and contexts enable authorities to claim the credit for subsequently lower figures, as they ‘ride to glory’ on curves showing declining incidence. As he argues, ‘HIV prevalence is low in most populations throughout the world and can be expected to remain low, not because of effective HIV prevention programmes, but because… the vast majority of the world’s populations do not have sufficient HIV risk behaviours to sustain epidemic HIV transmission’.

By the late 1980s, it was already clear that, given the very low prevalence of HIV, the difficulty of transmitting HIV through heterosexual sex and the stable character of sexual relationships (even those having multiple partners tend to favour serial monogamy), an explosive HIV epidemic in Britain, of the sort that occurred in relatively small networks of gay men and drug users, was highly improbable, as Don Milligan and I argued in 1987 (1).

As both Chin and Pisani indicate, high rates of heterosexually spread HIV infection remain the exceptional feature of sub-Saharan Africa (and parts of the Caribbean) where a particular pattern of concurrent networks of sexual partners together with high rates of other sexually transmitted infections facilitated an AIDS epidemic. Though this has had a devastating impact on many communities, Chin suggests that HIV prevalence in sub-Saharan Africa and the Caribbean has been overestimated by about 50 per cent. The good news is that, contrary to the doom-mongering of the AIDS bureaucracy, the rising annual global HIV incidence peaked in the late 1990s and the AIDS pandemic has now passed its peak.

Most significantly, the sub-Saharan pattern has not been replicated in Europe or North America, or even in Asia or Latin America, though there have been localised epidemics associated with gay men, drug users and prostitution, most recently in South-East Asia and Eastern Europe.

Many commentators now acknowledge the gross exaggerations and scaremongering of the AIDS bureaucracy. It is clear that HIV has remained largely confined to people following recognised high-risk behaviours, rather than being, in the mantra of the AIDS bureaucracy, a condition of poverty, gender inequality and under-development. Yet they also accept the argument, characterised by Chin as ‘political correctness’, that it is better to try to terrify the entire population with the spectre of an AIDS epidemic than it is to risk stigmatising the gays and junkies, ladyboys and whores who feature prominently in Pisani’s colourful account.

For Chin and Pisani, the main problem of the mendacity of the AIDS bureaucracy is that it leads to misdirected, ineffective and wasteful campaigns to change the sexual behaviour of the entire population, while the real problems of HIV transmission through high-risk networks are neglected. To deal with these problems, both favour a return to traditional public health methods of containing sexually transmitted infections through aggressive testing, contact tracing and treatment of carriers of HIV. Whereas the gay activists who influenced the early approach of the AIDS bureaucracy favoured anonymous and voluntary testing, our whistleblowers now recommend a more coercive approach, in relation to both diagnosis and treatment.

Pisani reminds readers that ‘public health is inherently a somewhat fascist discipline’ (for example, quarantine restrictions have an inescapably authoritarian character) and enthusiastically endorses the AIDS policies of the Thai military authorities and the Chinese bureaucrats who are not restrained from targeting high-risk groups by democratic niceties. The problem is that, given the climate of fear generated by two decades of the ‘everyone-is-at-risk nonsense’, the policy now recommended by Chin and Pisani is likely to lead to more repressive interventions against stigmatised minorities (which will not help to deter the spread of HIV infection).

Chin confesses that he has found it difficult ‘to understand how, over the past decade, mainstream AIDS scientists, including most infectious disease epidemiologists, have virtually all uncritically accepted the many “glorious” myths and misconceptions UNAIDS and AIDS activists continue to perpetuate’. An explanation for this shocking betrayal of principle can be found in a 1996 commentary on the British AIDS campaign entitled ‘Icebergs and rocks of the “good lie”’. In this article, Guardian journalist Mark Lawson accepted that the public had been misled over the threat of AIDS, but argued that the end of promoting sexual restraint (especially among the young) justified the means (exaggerating the risk of HIV infection): as he put it, ‘the government has lied and I am glad’ (2).

This sort of opportunism is not confined to AIDS: in other areas where experts are broadly in sympathy with government policy – such as passive smoking, obesity and climate change – they have been similarly complicit in the prostitution of science to propaganda.

It is a pity that Chin and Pisani did not blow their whistles earlier and louder, but better late than never.

Dr Michael Fitzpatrick is the author of MMR and Autism: What Parents Need to Know (buy this book from Amazon(UK)) and The Tyranny of Health: Doctors and the Regulation of Lifestyle (buy this book from Amazon(UK)).

The Wisdom of Whores, by Elisabeth Pisani, is published by Granta Books. (Buy this book from Amazon(UK).)

The AIDS Pandemic: The Collision of Epidemiology with Political Correctness, by James Chin, is published by Radcliffe Publishing Ltd. (Buy this book from Amazon(UK).)

(1) Michael Fitzpatrick and Don Milligan, The Truth About The Aids Panic, 1987

(2) Mark Lawson, ‘Icebergs and rocks of the “good” lie’, Guardian, 24 June 1996


TOPICS: Science
KEYWORDS: aids; aidsrethinkers; climatechange; corruption; duesberg; globalwarming; govwatch; homosexualagenda; prolife; rethinkingaids
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AIDS is the biggest public health scam in medical history. Like global warming, AIDS is being used to push a powerful leftist political agenda. For over two decades the Public Health Establishment has used your tax dollars and the full power of the federal government to wage a massive propaganda (and intimidation) campaign designed to:

(A) prevent the American public from hearing the scientific evidence that suggests HIV may not cause AIDS
(B) scare the public into thinking "we are all at risk"
(C) coverup the extreme toxicity of AIDS chemotherapy drugs (which are not just used on "fast-track" gays and junkies, but also given to pregnant mothers, infants, and children)
(D)
use this fear to push a leftist social agenda that includes socialized medicine, and the promotion of homosexuality and explicit sex "education" to tender-aged school children
(E)
use their "public health mandate" to bypass the authority of parents and local school boards who object to their social engineering schemes
(F) create a massive federal bureaucracy encouraging the use of addictive drugs, to include prescription heroine
(G) use threats and intimidation to silence dissenting scientists and to keep the press from covering the debate
(H) and finally, to use AIDS as a model to push similar social agendas with respect to future epidemics.

Every single point above can be documented on my profile page.

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1 posted on 09/07/2008 8:41:08 AM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: Stentor; Marty; Fractal Trader; metmom; John Valentine; editor-surveyor; Mr Ramsbotham; Chode; ...

ping!


2 posted on 09/07/2008 8:45:33 AM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts

Self inject and them come back, if you can, and tell us about your nut job theory.


3 posted on 09/07/2008 8:46:16 AM PDT by Drango (A liberal's compassion is limited only by the size of someone else's wallet.)
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To: SunkenCiv; Tolerance Sucks Rocks; steelyourfaith

They're starting to catch on. From the article:

"This sort of opportunism is not confined to AIDS: in other areas where experts are broadly in sympathy with government policy – such as passive smoking, obesity and climate change – they have been similarly complicit in the prostitution of science to propaganda."

4 posted on 09/07/2008 8:50:43 AM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: Drango
What's the matter? You getting tired of his one note?


5 posted on 09/07/2008 8:51:47 AM PDT by ASA Vet
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To: GodGunsGuts

6 posted on 09/07/2008 8:54:07 AM PDT by libh8er
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To: GodGunsGuts

I wonder who actually got all the money alledgly pledged to AIDS.

I always wonder who gets the money.


7 posted on 09/07/2008 8:59:15 AM PDT by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote.)
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To: GodGunsGuts
I just said to my husband last night that the power behind the AIDS lobby was appalling. AIDS is a completely avoidable disease. I have worked in cancer detection for 34 years. The high profile people involved with the AIDS lobby have diverted much money from cancer research by pleading for more AIDS money. Happily, the fervor of the Obama supporting celebrities and MSM, the same AIDS agitators, is raising the profile of their bias. I hope that the public realizes that having a loud voice doesn't mean it is correct in it's pleadings.
8 posted on 09/07/2008 8:59:30 AM PDT by originalbuckeye
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To: libh8er; Drango; ASA Vet

Given your continual need to cover up how the fast-track gay lifestyle is one of the main causes AIDS, I’m starting to think you delicate geniuses have been dispatched by the Log Cabin “Republicans.” Is this true? Fess up now.


9 posted on 09/07/2008 9:04:27 AM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: originalbuckeye
I just said to my husband last night that the power behind the AIDS lobby was appalling. AIDS is a completely avoidable disease. I have worked in cancer detection for 34 years.

Most diseases are completely avoidable. Influenza? Avoid others. Heart disease? Eat right and exercise. Lung cancer? Don't smoke or breath asbestos. The common cold? Wash your hands.

Don't want cholera? You can completely avoid it by not drinking tainted water.

Don't want tetanus? Completely avoid it by avoiding deep punctures.

I keep on seeing this "completely avoidable" talking point, but it's meaningless. There isn't a communicable disease on the planet that isn't completely avoidable.

10 posted on 09/07/2008 9:07:06 AM PDT by Alter Kaker (Gravitation is a theory, not a fact. It should be approached with an open mind...)
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To: GodGunsGuts
Given your continual need to cover up how the fast-track gay lifestyle is one of the main causes AIDS

The "fast track gay lifestyle?"

The gay "lifestyle" might spread AIDS, but it certainly doesn't cause it.

11 posted on 09/07/2008 9:08:25 AM PDT by Alter Kaker (Gravitation is a theory, not a fact. It should be approached with an open mind...)
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To: Alter Kaker

Heart disease doesn’t fit your scheme since it is not a communicable disease at all.


12 posted on 09/07/2008 9:14:06 AM PDT by secret garden (Dubiety reigns here)
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To: Alter Kaker
I understand your point. The thing is, I see AIDS as a moral issue. It is mainly spread through sex and tainted drug needles. If you keep sex within a monogamous marriage and don't do drugs, you won't get AIDS. The flu kills more people a year than AIDS. Why isn't there the push for a cure for the flu?
13 posted on 09/07/2008 9:15:40 AM PDT by goodwithagun (My gun has killed less people than Ted Kennedy's car.)
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To: Alter Kaker

Cancer is not avoidable. AIDS is avoidable. Can’t change the truth. There are things a person can do to try to lower their possibility of getting cancer. But it is not avoidable. In my work I have seen many cases of lung cancer with no history of smoking. AIDS is completely avoidable.


14 posted on 09/07/2008 9:18:03 AM PDT by originalbuckeye
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To: GodGunsGuts; Alter Kaker
the fast-track gay lifestyle is one of the main causes AIDS,

AIDS is a perfectly natural disease process that will eventually clean up such filth, no matter how many collateral casualties there are.

Nature does not care. Nature does not need human permission.

15 posted on 09/07/2008 9:19:51 AM PDT by Sir Francis Dashwood (LET'S ROLL!)
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To: Alter Kaker

Wrong.


16 posted on 09/07/2008 9:20:04 AM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: secret garden
Heart disease doesn’t fit your scheme since it is not a communicable disease at all.

Neither is lung cancer, which I also mentioned (although some cancers can be caused by communicable diseases).

100% of communicable diseases are completely avoidable. A large number of non-communicable diseases are also avoidable.

17 posted on 09/07/2008 9:20:06 AM PDT by Alter Kaker (Gravitation is a theory, not a fact. It should be approached with an open mind...)
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To: Alter Kaker
Don't want cholera? You can completely avoid it by not drinking tainted water.

And if you have no other water to drink?

Not much of a problem in this country, other than those cases carried across the southern border.

18 posted on 09/07/2008 9:20:55 AM PDT by SouthTexas (Invert the 5-4 and you have no rights.)
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To: originalbuckeye

“I hope that the public realizes that having a loud voice doen’t mean it is correct in it’s pleadings”

I have come to the unhappy realization that most of the public is EXACTly that stupid. They have been fed a constant barrage of “if it feels good do it” for so many years, they suck it up like kitties in milk. Want sex?—Have the government pay for abortions, hospice, AIDS research, etc. Eat yourself to obesity? Make the government pay for bariatric surgery. Use drugs? Let the government pay for those, too and needles exchanges of course. Want a superbaby to call your own? Make the government pay for EMBRYONIC stem cell research. Our only hope is that ther are enough Sarah Palins out there to make some people realize the folly of the path that is being followed.


19 posted on 09/07/2008 9:22:18 AM PDT by freeangel ( (free speech is only good until someone else doesn't like what you say))
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To: GodGunsGuts
Chin confesses that he has found it difficult ‘to understand how, over the past decade, mainstream AIDS scientists, including most infectious disease epidemiologists, have virtually all uncritically accepted the many “glorious” myths and misconceptions UNAIDS and AIDS activists continue to perpetuate’

C'mon Chin-- follow the money. All these knuckleheads have enjoyed cushy lifestyles, travel to exotic lands and luxurious "conferences," all on the grant dollar and government dime, and made professional reputations including tenured appoinments.

LIke "global warming", HIV/AIDS pays very well if you're on the right end of things.

20 posted on 09/07/2008 9:22:48 AM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: GodGunsGuts

When the AIDS epidemic crested the increase in new AIDS cases leveled off among homosexuals, because so many already had it and the rest were being more careful. The AIDS lobby then began to claim that the fastest growing group contracting AIDS was heterosexuals. Of course, given that cases among heterosexual non-IV drug users could have grown from 10 to 11 the statistic was technically correct, but incredibly misleading. This is the kind of propaganda that was being used to try and convince people AIDS was not a lifestyle issue.


21 posted on 09/07/2008 9:27:25 AM PDT by yazoo
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To: Alter Kaker
Nice try AK but your analogies don't hold water. In virtually all cases now, to get HIV/AIDS requires going out of your way to engage in deliberate voluntary well-identified behaviors, and most likely on a repetitive basis. It just doesn't compare to stepping on a rusty nail or breathing the air on an airliner during a long flight.
22 posted on 09/07/2008 9:28:12 AM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: hinckley buzzard
==All these knuckleheads have enjoyed cushy lifestyles

To include all the gay activists turned AIDS activists. They went from operating out of the spare rooms of their apartments to rolling in cash almost overnight. They became a powerful political force because conservatives fell for the AIDS scam. For more, see The Hidden Agenda Behind HIV

23 posted on 09/07/2008 9:35:16 AM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: yazoo

Excellent point! Give my profile page a look. If you agree that what is contained there needs to be investigated, I would be happy to include you on the Rethinking AIDS ping list.

All the best—GGG


24 posted on 09/07/2008 9:37:38 AM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: Drango
Absolutely a ‘nut job theory’. Agenda driven science indeed, what will they make up next? What whack job thinks HIV is primarily spread through at risk behaviors like multiple anal sex partners and sharing needles?

Next will come the crazy notion of a gay lobby pushing a social agenda such as gay marriage. Or, have you heard about the one where the gay lobby got homosexuality taken out of the DSM for mental illness? That they are trying to remove pedophilia next?

Silly silly man. I bet he believes global warming and evolution are agenda driven also, not pure science relying on fact.

Good thing you are here for a reality check for us.

25 posted on 09/07/2008 9:40:55 AM PDT by IrishCatholic (No local communist or socialist party chapter? Join the Democrats, it's the same thing.)
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To: SouthTexas
Not much of a problem in this country, other than those cases carried across the southern border.

Not a problem here because we have:

a)Effective Antibiotics
b)Very responsive medical facilities
c)clean water suply
d)good sanitation
e)Healthy inexpensive food


As long as we maintain the above facts,we will never the monster epidemics of the past in this country.
26 posted on 09/07/2008 9:41:16 AM PDT by RedMonqey
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To: GodGunsGuts

Just like the civil rights agitators of today(Jena 6 anyone?), if the AIDs activists don’t gin up the hysteria, they can’t rake in the big bucks.

And they have a “useful idiot”(sorry guys) in the White House and of course, in congress.


27 posted on 09/07/2008 9:46:31 AM PDT by RedMonqey
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To: GodGunsGuts

Save this crap for coast to coast AM. I’m sure they will love to hear this crackpot theory, right after they finish talking to the guy who is receiving radio signals from other dimensions through the mirrors in his house.


28 posted on 09/07/2008 9:51:39 AM PDT by mysterio
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To: originalbuckeye

I agree with you. Being a type 1 diabetic for what seems like forever it is appalling to me that they spend less on thses dieases combined than they do for a diease that under most circumstances isn’t that easily transmitted and in most cases is based on behavior and not because you were just the unlucky one. I personlly think if some of this money had gone to to other dieases like these that we might hav much better treatments and possibly cures for some.


29 posted on 09/07/2008 9:59:56 AM PDT by chris_bdba
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To: originalbuckeye
I mostly agree with you, but differ somewhat on this point:

The high profile people involved with the AIDS lobby have diverted much money from cancer research by pleading for more AIDS money.

Funds for Nixon's anti-cancer initiative were running out, there was little success in prevention and cure, there was little chance of renewal of funds, and an army of cancer researchers were about to be left high and dry. Far from diverting money from cancer research, the Aids lobby provided a much needed (from the researchers point of view) infusion of cash.
30 posted on 09/07/2008 10:05:49 AM PDT by caveat emptor
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To: caveat emptor
In my career I have seen childhood leukemia go from a highly fatal disease to a cancer that now has a high survivability rate. Cancer research is gaining ground on may cancers. I agree that diversion was a much better word. I am looking forward to more curative medicines in the years to come.
31 posted on 09/07/2008 10:23:46 AM PDT by originalbuckeye
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To: freekitty; GodGunsGuts
I wonder who actually got all the money alledgly pledged to AIDS.

Cancer researchers and drug companies were the main beneficiaries, along with coffin makers in SA. See "Rian Milan - from Rolling Stone Magazine, November 22, 2001. "AIDS in Africa " on that one. A long and interesting article By Rian Milan, a South African who went back to SA to check out the situation for himself. I couldn't locate a copy with a modest Google search, but it's out there. You can find it if you're interested. GodsGunsGuts might know where to find it.
32 posted on 09/07/2008 10:31:59 AM PDT by caveat emptor
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To: GodGunsGuts

Keep in mind that homosexuals started the HIV/AIDS epidemic in the US and many other nations. Homosexuals are by far the #1 vector for infectious disease transmission. Public health aspects of male homosexual behavior include some of the most disgusting public health threats to normal humans on the entire planet. Here is a quote from one of the deviants in San Fransicko: “I calculated that since becoming active in 1973, I had racked up more than 3000 different sex partners in bathhouses, back rooms, meat rakcs, and tearooms, gay singer Michael Callen wrote (long since dead), As a consequence I had the following sexually transmitted diseases, many more than once: hepatitis A, hep B, Hep nonA/non-B, herpes simplex types I and II, venereal warts, giardia, entameoba histolytica; shigella flexneri and salmonella; syphilis; gonorrhea; chlamydia; cytomegalovirus, and Epstein-Barr virus mononucleosis, and eventually cryptosporidiosis. Not too many episodes of the Will and Grace show revealed these facts.


33 posted on 09/07/2008 10:33:46 AM PDT by Neoliberalnot ((Hallmarks of Liberalism: Ingratitude and Envy))
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To: GodGunsGuts
the British AIDS story is an example of a ‘glorious myth’ – a tale that is ‘gloriously or nobly false’, but told ‘for a good cause’.

Ah yes, the myth of the "noble lie." A technique Joseph Goebbels used to great effect.

A lie is a lie, no matter how nobly told.

34 posted on 09/07/2008 10:35:50 AM PDT by IronJack (=)
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To: GodGunsGuts
In a few words:

“As both Chin and Pisani indicate, high rates of heterosexually spread HIV infection remain the exceptional feature of sub-Saharan Africa (and parts of the Caribbean) where a particular pattern of concurrent networks of sexual partners together with high rates of other sexually transmitted infections facilitated an AIDS epidemic. Though this has had a devastating impact on many communities, Chin suggests that HIV prevalence in sub-Saharan Africa and the Caribbean has been overestimated by about 50 per cent. The good news is that, contrary to the doom-mongering of the AIDS bureaucracy, the rising annual global HIV incidence peaked in the late 1990s and the AIDS pandemic has now passed its peak.”

Along side the exaggerations of the U.N. and the “no HIV/AIDS CONNECTION” nonsense you've proffered the author accepts the conclusions of those authors he's reviewing.
Promiscuous heterosexual activity spreads other STDs and facilitates the transmission of AIDS.
AIDS is sexually transmitted.
AIDS is an “epidemic” in Africa.
Even if estimates of occurrence are exaggerated by 50% it (AIDS) has been “devastating” to many communities.

So who exactly is this AIDS bureaucracy? The U.N.? Any Dr. that says HIV causes AIDS? Exactly who is being referred to here as a bureaucracy??

In the past you've tried to support the “No HIV/AIDS Connection” nonsense with endless outdated comments from various con men and quacks, so what's the purpose of this post? More of the same?

35 posted on 09/07/2008 10:46:08 AM PDT by count-your-change (you don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: caveat emptor

Thanks for the tip.


36 posted on 09/07/2008 10:46:28 AM PDT by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote.)
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To: caveat emptor; GodGunsGuts
Oops.

I couldn't locate a copy with a modest Google search, but it's out there. You can find it if you're interested. GodsGunsGuts GodGunsGuts might know where to find it.
37 posted on 09/07/2008 11:35:36 AM PDT by caveat emptor
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To: GodGunsGuts

Feel free to believe that HIV doesn’t cause Aids. Rosie doesn’t believe fire can melt steel. Both of you are nuts.


38 posted on 09/07/2008 11:45:16 AM PDT by Drango (A liberal's compassion is limited only by the size of someone else's wallet.)
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To: GodGunsGuts

The continued prostitution of science saddens me. Is there any doubt we will read future articles acknowledging the same motives and problems with estimates and predictions about global warming?

The diversion of cancer research funding to a behavior driven disease is unforgivable.

The squandering of wealth and food to combat a non-existent problem is unforgivable.

Both causes championed by liberalism, repeated constantly by media, and eventually bought off on by many who call themselves “conservatives”.

What will the future emergency be that follows the same pattern?


39 posted on 09/07/2008 11:59:03 AM PDT by volunbeer (Dear heaven.... we really need President Reagan again!)
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To: GodGunsGuts
Given your continual need to cover up how the fast-track gay lifestyle is one of the main causes AIDS, I’m starting to think you delicate geniuses have been dispatched by the Log Cabin “Republicans.” Is this true? Fess up now.

Given that you have spent the last several years arguing that anal sex is safe, I suspect you need to look in a mirror.

40 posted on 09/07/2008 4:28:02 PM PDT by js1138
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To: js1138

Actually, it is you who keep citing homosexual publications that advocate anal sex to rebut scientists like Duesberg who say the fast-track homosexual lifestyle causes AIDS. But beyond your disgusting crusade to vindicate homosexuality, what really bothers me is that we have both been told by the mods to steer clear of each other. Why do you insist on following me around and making a mockery of the mods?


41 posted on 09/07/2008 6:03:21 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts; calcowgirl; Horusra; CygnusXI; Entrepreneur; Defendingliberty; WL-law; ...
 




Beam me to Planet Gore !

42 posted on 09/07/2008 6:59:12 PM PDT by steelyourfaith
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I follow you around because you are practicing medicine without a licence, and because your advice, if taken seriously, would kill people.


43 posted on 09/08/2008 7:32:24 AM PDT by js1138
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To: GodGunsGuts; libh8er; Drango; ASA Vet
Given your continual need to cover up how the fast-track gay lifestyle is one of the main causes AIDS, I’m starting to think you delicate geniuses have been dispatched by the Log Cabin “Republicans.” Is this true? Fess up now.

Um, GGG, you're the one who is arguing that having anonymous gay intercourse with multiple partners is perfectly safe, so long as one does not use drugs while doing so.

I doubt any of the people you posted to share your views on the safety of drug-free gay orgies.

44 posted on 09/08/2008 7:52:08 AM PDT by Citizen Blade (What would Ronald Reagan do?)
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I doubt any of the people you posted to share your views on the safety of drug-free gay orgies.

You're 100% correct in my case. I have no use for fagots with or without dope.
Neither do I have any use for nut jobs like the poster.

45 posted on 09/08/2008 8:28:43 AM PDT by ASA Vet
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You're 100% correct in my case. I have no use for fagots with or without dope. Neither do I have any use for nut jobs like the poster.

I have nothing against homosexuals, in general. But only a loon would deny that the largest vectors for the spread of AIDS has been promiscuous male gay sex, followed by the sharing of needles for drug use.

Did the promiscuous gay sex involve the use of drugs? I'm sure that much of it did, but the (non-intravenous)drug use in no way directly led to the transmittal of AIDS.

I have a feeling that this poster is mixing up correlation with causation- homosexuals who use illegal drugs are also likely to engage in other risky behavior, such as unprotected sexual activity with numerous partners.

46 posted on 09/08/2008 2:33:56 PM PDT by Citizen Blade (What would Ronald Reagan do?)
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I have never argued that gay orgies are “perfectly safe.” Their disgusting lifestyle is responsible for spreading a whole host of sexually transmitted diseases. But a growing number of scientists and medical doctors, many of them at the very apex of their respective fields, are claiming that HIV does not cause AIDS, and that AIDS is really just a list of a couple of dozen unrelated diseases that are called AIDS by a circular definition that does not hold up to scientific scrutiny. If you would like good layman’s summaries of what these scientists are saying, give the Policy Review, National Review, American Spectator, or the Reason Magazine articles on my profile page a read. If, on the other hand, you prefer to remain ignorant and ineffective on this timely and important conservative issue, then by all means bury your heads in the sand and remain part of the problem. The choice is up to you.
47 posted on 09/08/2008 4:54:34 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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I have never argued that gay orgies are “perfectly safe.” Their disgusting lifestyle is responsible for spreading a whole host of sexually transmitted diseases.

We aren't talking about other STD's here- we're talking about HIV/AIDS. Your attempt to change the subject notwithstanding, at the end of the day your position still remains that, at least when it comes to AIDS, drug-free gay orgies are perfectly safe.

But a growing number of scientists and medical doctors, many of them at the very apex of their respective fields, are claiming that HIV does not cause AIDS

They may be growing, but they constitute a miniscule percentage of respectable medical opinion on the subject.

If, on the other hand, you prefer to remain ignorant and ineffective on this timely and important conservative issue, then by all means bury your heads in the sand and remain part of the problem. The choice is up to you.

The claim that drug-free gay orgies are safe when it comes to HIV/AIDS is a conservative issue? Who knew?

48 posted on 09/09/2008 7:14:50 AM PDT by Citizen Blade (What would Ronald Reagan do?)
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Anytime science is prostituted to achieve political objectives, it is a conservative issue. In the case of AIDS, science is being prostituted to achieve a left-wing political agenda, which is also a conservative issue. As for “drug-free gay orgies,” the fast-track lifestyle is so extreme that it cannot be sustained without massive amounts of immunotoxic drugs. Try to think like a toxicologist for a moment. What does the following chart tell you???:

Table 3. CDC 1983*: Drug use by American male
homosexuals with AIDS and at risk for AIDS.

Drugs: Percentage users among 50 AIDS cases and 120 at risk for AIDS

Nitrite inhalants 96%
Ethylchloride 35–50%
Cocaine 50–60%
Amphetamines 50–70%
Phenylcyclidine 40%
LSD 40–60%
Metaqualone 40–60%
Barbiturates 25%
Marijuana 90%
Heroin 10%
Drug-free NONE REPORTED!


49 posted on 09/09/2008 9:10:00 AM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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What does the following chart tell you???:

That there is a high correlation between drug use and HIV/AIDs infection. Which isn't surprising- people who use illegal drugs are also likely to engage in other risky behavior, such as promiscuous and unsafe homosexual sex. Illegal drug use lowers inhibition and impairs judgment. Some of the drugs listed, such as heroin, are also injected, so there's also the issue of shared needles.

You are making the classic mistake of confusing correlation with causation. The drug use doesn't directly cause HIV/AIDS- it's the risky activities that high people engage in that leads to infection. You're acting like you've made some novel discovery, but all your evidence shows is that drug users tend to engage in other risky behavior.

50 posted on 09/09/2008 9:34:28 AM PDT by Citizen Blade (What would Ronald Reagan do?)
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