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Baghdad begins to disarm after ban
Stars and Stripes ^ | October 16, 2008 | James Warden

Posted on 10/16/2008 12:19:03 PM PDT by Towed_Jumper

US soldiers are now confiscating privately-owned firearms in Baghdad


TOPICS: Military/Veterans; Miscellaneous
KEYWORDS: banglist; bans; gun
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My hope is that this does not become "training" for US soldiers to replicate in US cities under a President B. Hussein Obama Administration.
1 posted on 10/16/2008 12:19:04 PM PDT by Towed_Jumper
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To: Joe Brower

Joe, This may be of interest to your BANG List...


2 posted on 10/16/2008 12:19:51 PM PDT by Towed_Jumper (Stephen Hopkins: Founding Father who had Cerebral Palsy.."My hand trembles, my heart does not.")
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To: Towed_Jumper

That can’t be good.

I mean-I know it’s Baghdad, but still...


3 posted on 10/16/2008 12:23:54 PM PDT by Califreak (As seen on TV: S.A.R.A.H!-Sane Americans Are Against Hussein-Obama!)
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To: Towed_Jumper

Well, you’re free to hope...


4 posted on 10/16/2008 12:28:02 PM PDT by WayneS (Vote Obama bin Biden 2008 - "Because the world doesn't suck enough yet".)
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To: Towed_Jumper

???


5 posted on 10/16/2008 12:28:12 PM PDT by CodeToad
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To: WayneS

It is my hope that said soldiers would reject such an order.


6 posted on 10/16/2008 12:30:30 PM PDT by Crazieman (RIP USA. Killed by demonrats and RINOs like McLame. Welcome to the USSA)
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To: Towed_Jumper

Does this mean that the only guys that have weapons in Baghdad are the bad guys and our military? I pity the poor Iraqi when our troops leave. There’s no way I would voluntarily turn-in my weapons.


7 posted on 10/16/2008 12:32:27 PM PDT by stuartcr (Election year.....Who we gonna hate, in '08?)
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To: Towed_Jumper

The constitution overrides even the most fevered dreams of any president.


8 posted on 10/16/2008 12:32:58 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Paying taxes for bank bailouts is apparently the patriotic thing to do. [/sarc])
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To: stuartcr

If they can’t defend themselves a lot more of them are going to start disappearing and dying.


9 posted on 10/16/2008 12:35:17 PM PDT by Califreak (As seen on TV: S.A.R.A.H!-Sane Americans Are Against Hussein-Obama!)
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To: Califreak

I think this is very wrong. Just another reason to be thankful I was born when and where I was.


10 posted on 10/16/2008 12:38:26 PM PDT by stuartcr (Election year.....Who we gonna hate, in '08?)
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To: Towed_Jumper

There was recently a thread about troops returning from Iraq/Afgan that were being trained to deal with crisis here in the US. (natural disasters, civil unrest, etc.)


11 posted on 10/16/2008 12:49:16 PM PDT by wolfcreek (I see miles and miles of Texas....let's keep it that way.)
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To: Towed_Jumper
I thought they wanted to make Iraq a FREE country.

Guess not!

12 posted on 10/16/2008 12:49:23 PM PDT by unixfox (The 13th Amendment Abolished Slavery, The 16th Amendment Reinstated It !)
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To: Towed_Jumper

They’re doing it again.


13 posted on 10/16/2008 12:58:36 PM PDT by wastedyears (Another October 14th, another year older.)
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To: wolfcreek

“There was recently a thread about troops returning from Iraq/Afgan that were being trained to deal with crisis here in the US. (natural disasters, civil unrest, etc.”

You’re right, I remember reading that as well. I think it’s one of the Brigades of the 3rd Infantry Division that has been assigned to “NorthCom”


14 posted on 10/16/2008 12:59:18 PM PDT by Towed_Jumper (Stephen Hopkins: Founding Father who had Cerebral Palsy.."My hand trembles, my heart does not.")
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To: cripplecreek

“The constitution overrides even the most fevered dreams of any president.”

I’d like to believe that but many of the power elites in this country no longer view the US Constitution as any kind of impediment to their plans. ...think gun confiscations after Hurricane Katrina for one.


15 posted on 10/16/2008 1:01:38 PM PDT by Towed_Jumper (Stephen Hopkins: Founding Father who had Cerebral Palsy.."My hand trembles, my heart does not.")
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To: cripplecreek

***The constitution overrides even the most fevered dreams of any president.***

That hasn’t stopped NFA ‘34, GCA ‘68, Brady Act ‘93, and AWB ‘94. What makes you think the Constitution will halt another major firearms ban and/or confiscation?


16 posted on 10/16/2008 1:02:02 PM PDT by wastedyears (Another October 14th, another year older.)
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To: harpseal; TexasCowboy; nunya bidness; AAABEST; Travis McGee; Squantos; Shooter 2.5; wku man; SLB; ..
Interesting.

Can anyone who's been in-country confirm or deny this?

Click the Gadsden flag for pro-gun resources!

17 posted on 10/16/2008 1:04:47 PM PDT by Joe Brower (Sheep have three speeds: "graze", "stampede" and "cower".)
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To: cripplecreek

“The constitution overrides even the most fevered dreams of any president.”

Unless it is a liberal president who will get what he wants from a liberal Supreme Court, who will find what they want in made-up emanations and penumbrae of the Constitution.


18 posted on 10/16/2008 1:09:28 PM PDT by pondering
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To: Joe Brower; Allegra

Check with Allegra, I think she’s there...


19 posted on 10/16/2008 1:16:08 PM PDT by Andonius_99 (There are two sides to every issue. One is right, the other is wrong; but the middle is always evil.)
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To: Towed_Jumper; pondering; wastedyears

I have faith in our soldiers who are largely private gun owners themselves.


20 posted on 10/16/2008 1:18:42 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Paying taxes for bank bailouts is apparently the patriotic thing to do. [/sarc])
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To: cripplecreek

“The constitution overrides even the most fevered dreams of any president.”

You need to read this book:

http://www.amazon.com/Who-Killed-Constitution-American-Liberty/dp/0307405753/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1224188532&sr=1-1


21 posted on 10/16/2008 1:24:21 PM PDT by Wonder Warthog ( The Hog of Steel)
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To: Towed_Jumper

Makes me think something bad is coming no matter who is elected.


22 posted on 10/16/2008 1:29:47 PM PDT by wolfcreek (I see miles and miles of Texas....let's keep it that way.)
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To: cripplecreek
Read the article ... your faith may be misplaced.

The article quotes one our "heroes" over there gibbering the usual Brady-Feinstein-0bama anti-gun nonsense about disarming folks making the place "safer". The rhetoric in there, both from US and Iraqi personnel is 100% Democrat Party gun-ban stuff.

23 posted on 10/16/2008 1:29:53 PM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: Andonius_99; Joe Brower; Towed_Jumper
The city government has really screwed up on this one. I'm afraid it's true and the Iraqis are furious. I am vehemently opposed to this as are most Americans here. And the troops DO NOT like being involved in this. The only people they enjoy confiscating weapons from are terrorists.

Two of my Iraqi co-workers were just talking to me about this today. They are frustrated and angry...VERY angry at the government. I told them:

"There is one thing you can do. Fire the government."

They both looked at me incredulously and then Haider said, "We can't fire the government! I wish we could."

I said, "You can try. You have an election in January. Fire them at the ballot box. Make this an issue. Ban together with your neighbors, with everybody you know who is against this and petition your government. If they refuse to listen, fire them. Get involved in a campaign."

They both brightened at this, so I kept pushing them. "You're free. You have a voice. Make them let you remain FREE."

Neither of these two guys' neighborhoods have been swept in this yet. But they're reluctantly willing to cooperate. I told them that was OK, but to fight it legally.

Stay tuned.

24 posted on 10/16/2008 1:37:54 PM PDT by Allegra (NO giving up, NO quitting, NO doom and gloom, NO drama queens...Keep up the faith)
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To: wastedyears

“That hasn’t stopped NFA ‘34, GCA ‘68, Brady Act ‘93, and AWB ‘94. What makes you think the Constitution will halt another major firearms ban and/or confiscation?”

I don’t usually read too much of Joseph Sobran, but old Joe had a great quote: “The US Constitution no longer represents a serious threat to our form of government.”


25 posted on 10/16/2008 1:40:25 PM PDT by Towed_Jumper (Stephen Hopkins: Founding Father who had Cerebral Palsy.."My hand trembles, my heart does not.")
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To: Allegra

That sucks!


26 posted on 10/16/2008 1:40:25 PM PDT by Eaker (Dutch expression "You can give a monkey a gold ring, but it stays an ugly thing." - EscapedDutch)
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To: Towed_Jumper

That sounds about accurate.


27 posted on 10/16/2008 1:44:30 PM PDT by wastedyears (Another October 14th, another year older.)
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To: Joe Brower

thanks, bfl


28 posted on 10/16/2008 1:47:37 PM PDT by neverdem (I'm praying for a Divine Intervention.)
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To: Towed_Jumper

Why are they doing this? I think the same thing will happen there as it will happen here. Only the law abiding will give their guns up, leaving the terrorists/criminals the only ones who have guns. Once our troops are gone, it’s going to be like it was when Saddam was in power. Those poor people won’t be able to defend themselves!


29 posted on 10/16/2008 1:49:58 PM PDT by NRA2BFree (FAITH IS DARING THE SOUL TO GO BEYOND WHAT THE EYES CAN SEE.)
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To: Towed_Jumper

This is just wrong!


30 posted on 10/16/2008 1:51:20 PM PDT by beltfed308 (Heller: The defining moment of our Republic)
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To: Towed_Jumper

If I remember correctly, this was done when we first went in, but it was privately-owned machineguns and rocket launchers that were being “taken off the streets”.

Yes, the oppressed Iraqi people could own an M60 or FAL or rocket launcher at home, unlike the free people here. Remember the pictures of people firing full-auto into the air?

Now I guess this is phase 2.


31 posted on 10/16/2008 1:54:41 PM PDT by DBrow
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To: ArrogantBustard

“The article quotes one our “heroes” over there gibbering the usual Brady-Feinstein-0bama anti-gun nonsense about disarming folks making the place “safer”. The rhetoric in there,...”

Talk about the rhetoric...compare these two statements:

“No one will be able to be armed,” said Deputy Chief Warren Riley. “We are going to take all the weapons. Only law enforcement are allowed to have weapons.” —New Orleans, 2005 (after Hurricane Katrina).

...and...

“Sgt. Allah Atemadh thought the city would be safer without so many guns around. “Baghdad, it must be disarmed,” Atemadh said. “They will confiscate the guns from everybody — especially private guns.” —Baghdad, Iraq, 2008


32 posted on 10/16/2008 1:58:37 PM PDT by Towed_Jumper (Stephen Hopkins: Founding Father who had Cerebral Palsy.."My hand trembles, my heart does not.")
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To: Towed_Jumper
How are the citizens of Baghdad supposed to defend themselves? This is a bad idea. A lot of households won't give up their weapons and our soldiers are going to be in firefights with the good guys.

Who in the hell came up with this plan?
33 posted on 10/16/2008 2:01:17 PM PDT by mysterio
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To: Towed_Jumper

I wasn’t sure about direct quotes from that source ... but yeah. That’s what I was talking about. You quoted an Iraqi Sgt, but they also had a US officer in there spewing the same stuff.


34 posted on 10/16/2008 2:04:46 PM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: mysterio

“Who in the hell came up with this plan?”

Check out Allegra’s reply #24 above...she is in Baghdad and has some background on this situation.


35 posted on 10/16/2008 2:12:54 PM PDT by Towed_Jumper (Stephen Hopkins: Founding Father who had Cerebral Palsy.."My hand trembles, my heart does not.")
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To: Califreak
I mean-I know it’s Baghdad, but still...

An honest citizen is as likely to need to defend himself in Baghdad as in Dallas.

This is NOT a Good Thing. Especially not having American troops doing it.

Even leaving aside the implications for us here in the US, it's bound to alienate the Baghdadies. I know it would irritate the hell out of me. Are we trying to grow the insurgency again?

36 posted on 10/16/2008 2:45:26 PM PDT by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: cripplecreek
The constitution overrides even the most fevered dreams of any president.

Only if it's obeyed and enforced. That's not going to happen in either a McCain or an Obama adminstration. Obama will ignore the second amendment, as McCain has ignored the first. (IIRC, while he's better than The One, he's still not all that great on the second either.)

37 posted on 10/16/2008 2:48:31 PM PDT by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: DBrow
If I remember correctly, this was done when we first went in, but it was privately-owned machineguns and rocket launchers that were being “taken off the streets”.,

As this article states, machine guns (AK-47s) were allowed, but only one per household.

38 posted on 10/16/2008 2:51:54 PM PDT by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: Allegra
So this is the CITY government that is foisting this on it's citizens~! That's just how it's shaping up here stateside. You handled it well with your Iraqi Friends Allegra.

You should teach them what "Molon Labe" means, and let them know our prayers and wishes are with them...

39 posted on 10/16/2008 2:54:50 PM PDT by JDoutrider (Pray for our Nation! Stop the big Zero!)
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To: JDoutrider
Yes, it's only Baghdad at this point. What is it with capitals? Our own capital does similar crap.

I hope they get get this repealed because the law-abiding citizens should have every right to protect their families and their property. They do background checks on people for a variety of reasons; if they feel the need, they can do checks on people and allow them to have firearms.

If al Qaeda and JAM know about this (and I'm sure they do) what kind of message does it send? What sort of encouragement does it give those thugs?

If they can't get this turned around, I fear it may spread to other parts of the country.

We're still teaching them how to use their democracy. It's still a relatively new concept to them. I'd love to see them win this.

40 posted on 10/16/2008 3:00:51 PM PDT by Allegra (NO giving up, NO quitting, NO doom and gloom, NO drama queens...Keep up the faith)
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To: Allegra
Excellent advice Allegra.

L

41 posted on 10/16/2008 3:12:48 PM PDT by Lurker (She's not a lesbian, she doesn't whine, she doesn't hate her country, and she's not afraid of guns.)
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To: Eaker
That sucks!

Yes, it's very disappointing. I really don't want to see this country go that way.

People have worked too hard and survived so much to see things backslide like this.

I hope the Iraqis fire the government at the polls. Because they can. :)

42 posted on 10/16/2008 3:12:49 PM PDT by Allegra (NO giving up, NO quitting, NO doom and gloom, NO drama queens...Keep up the faith)
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To: Allegra

Way to go!


43 posted on 10/16/2008 3:15:40 PM PDT by Earthdweller (Socialism makes you feel better about oppressing people.....)
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To: Allegra
I hope the Iraqis fire the government at the polls. Because they can. :)

Prayers up for their peaceful success, and your safety as well as theirs.

This is a really bad idea because it turns our guys from a liberating force to an occupying force.

44 posted on 10/16/2008 4:02:47 PM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly.)
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To: El Gato

They took “heavier” machineguns away back then.


45 posted on 10/16/2008 4:19:33 PM PDT by DBrow
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To: Squantos; humblegunner; TheMom; thackney

Check this out.


46 posted on 10/16/2008 4:47:13 PM PDT by Eaker (Dutch expression "You can give a monkey a gold ring, but it stays an ugly thing." - EscapedDutch)
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To: Eaker; Allegra

This kind of sucks.


47 posted on 10/16/2008 4:49:14 PM PDT by humblegunner (If you're gonna die, die with your boots on.)
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To: Towed_Jumper
This is a gift from L. Paul (Jerry) Bremer III, the first administrator that President Bush appointed. As I recall, Bremer was from New York, and insisted that the Iraqi Constitution not contain any right to keep and bear arms. Instead, a clause was inserted ( or changed to read) that the government had the right to tell the people whether they could have arms or not.

Perhaps someone has better info on this, but I remember that I was horrified when I saw that clause in the Iraqi constitution.

48 posted on 10/16/2008 5:08:29 PM PDT by marktwain
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To: Towed_Jumper
Here it is from the Iraqi Constitution:

Article 17 [Licensed Arms]
It shall not be permitted to possess, bear, buy, or sell arms except on licensure issued in accordance with the law.

Here is the link:

http://www.servat.unibe.ch/law/icl/iz00000_.html

49 posted on 10/16/2008 5:13:04 PM PDT by marktwain
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To: Allegra; Eaker

Wow ......taking even their one AliBaba ??

A preview here if Obama gets in the door......

Allegra good words from you to them VOTE teh SOB’s back to the ice age !

Damn ...


50 posted on 10/16/2008 5:19:56 PM PDT by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But have a plan to kill everyone you meet)
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