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> Do you even know what breed of dog that is? Is it an Am Staff or is it an American Pit Bull Terrier? Based just upon the appearance of that dog, what do you consider her to be? You’ve repeatedly said you can tell the difference by just looking at them. I’d like an honest response.

Well, it’s not a poodle.../s

(grin!) Yes, I did give you a dodgy answer because it is difficult to tell from that photo alone.

Based on that photo I would put her as a Staffy. I draw that conclusion from the jaw-line, her coat, her dimensions and what appears to be her build (Staffies being smaller than APBT). I might conclude differently if I saw her in person: she has defined muscles that suggest that she could be an APBT, for instance. I put that down to her being quite fit, tho’.

I would also hazard that she is a purebred. She looks nothing like a dangerous mungrel mutt ie a “Pit Bull”.

You would still have difficulty bringing that dog into New Zealand: in theory, Staffies should be permitted. In practise it would be difficult to persuade Customs that your dog is a Staffy and not an APBT.

> I’ve seen experts unable to distinguish a APBT from a Boxer.

That surprises me: Boxers are slight with longer legs and they have faces that look like they have been chasing parked cars.

Other dogs probably laugh at them. Mine does.

> I’ve seen news reports of ‘pit bull attacks’, but later it was determined that the dog was not, in fact, a ‘pitbull’.

Pit bulls are dangerous mungrel mutts often bred for vicious temper and fighting in Dog Pits — hence the name. They have random, dubious parentage.

I would hazard that pretty close to 100% of the time, when the news reports a “Pit Bull” attack, that is what they are talking about. I seriously doubt they actually mean Staffies or APBTs or Boston Terriers.

The problem is, breeders of these dogs persist in calling them “Pit Bulls”. Even if that was their original origin, that’s just stupid branding that is begging for Breed Bans.

> ‘Pitbull’ is NOT a breed.

We agree. Pit Bulls are mungrel mutts of dubious and often random parentage.

> breed specific legislation cannot be soundly or even logically enforced with regards to ‘pitbulls’ as technically they don’t exist. It is a term that encompasses many breeds and mixes; some so far away from the true American Pit Bull Terrier that the difference is like night and day.

For that reason I strongly suggest breeders re-brand their breeds to drop the “Pit” part in their dogs’ name. If you’ve got a brand that is being tarnished by another brand, if the other brand won’t change you might be smarter to change instead...


382 posted on 11/24/2008 12:45:20 AM PST by DieHard the Hunter (Is mise an ceann-cinnidh. Cha ghéill mi do dhuine. Fàg am bealach.)
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To: DieHard the Hunter; LongElegantLegs
The dog in the pic is neither an Am Staff nor an American Pit Bull Terrier, but the resemblence is very close. The dog pictured is a Ca De Bou.

Quiet by nature, he can under some circumstances be courageous and brave. He is at ease with people, faithful and devoted to his master. As a watch and guard dog, he is unsurpassed. In quiet situations, he is trusting and self assured. When roused, his expression is piercing. Were one to find a purebred Mallorquin Bulldog one would possess a guard dog of unsurpassable ability- a dog that would require discipline and attention. This breed is strong-minded but obedient if properly reared from puppy hood. They adore children. Although it remains formidably powerful and alert, and retains the tenacity of its bull-baiting past. This breed is not for the causal pet owner. Makes a good watch and guard dog. Needs an owner who understands a dogs natural "pack order".

385 posted on 11/24/2008 9:35:47 AM PST by PleaseNoMore
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