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To: Friendofgeorge
What you are saying in your post is God isn't in control and we are.

Look at any Biblical catastrophe and you will see God's hand at the helm. God knows the beginning from the end and has provided for it.

It seems difficult for people to grasp that we make our choices, but God already knows what they will be. It is true that Americans could delay punishment if we would repent. We haven't so far. We are stiff necked and our vanity has overtaken us. God will chastise that and see what our reaction will be. But you see, He already knows what we will choose. That is how the Bible can be written thousands of years ago and every jot and tittle come true.

The Bible isn't necessarily a minute by minute history of America. It is a guide to how God reacts to our sin. Why would we feel somehow more entitled to God's Mercies than Sodom, or any one of 100 or more cities or countries mentioned in the Bible? We are still delusional enough to believe we are a Christian nation when we can't even pray in public buildings and argue every year about Merry Christmas vs Happy Holiday's. We send our children into training camps to have God cut from their hearts and filled with gobblety gook and are surprised when they take drugs and have sex before marriage or even commit murders.

God's plan is moving forward at break neck speed and we are participating in it 100%. There is NO plan "B". A country is judged in real time by Gods Law. Humans have a chance to repent. A study of Sodom would clear things up quite a bit. Abraham begged God to save the whole city if there were any righteous men left there. After much bargaining, Lot and his family were spared, but Sodom was eventually completely destroyed. Sodom was doomed from the start, but what we find is a few individuals were given a way out. This is the same picture as the Great Flood( and other stories of destruction), in the Bible.

This is why I believe in a pre trib Rapture. The principle God rules by is, reaping and sowing, but also a way out is offered. Jesus is that way out. Repentance is that way out. Faith in a just God is our way out. Does anybody really believe America is somehow exempt from this constant, never changing principle?

America is great because our God is great. Which god do we worship today? How great is that god? How long do we expect God to shine His countenance on this cesspool of unrighteousness? We are in decline and have been since the '60's. We accepted no prayer in school, free love, drugs, Darwinism, abortion, homosexuality, and almost every evil that Sodom could muster, and yet we arrogantly believe we still deserve the tender mercies of God. Sure there are individual dedicated Christians here, but as a nation, we have codified into law a rejection of God.

Now we have Obama. Plenty of people voted against him, but realistically, what difference would it have made if McCain won? Maybe a slower pace to the bitter end, but bitter end it will be. Unless we, as a nation, repent, and turn from our evil ways, and ask God to bless our nation, we will end up in the ash heap of History. Where are the Hittites, the Canaanites, and other named peoples in the Bible? They are just footnotes in the grand scheme of things. The God of the Bible is a jealous God and will not hesitate to chastise any people or nation that He chooses. America is just another piece of real estate on this planet at a certain point in history. We don't deserve any more consideration from God than any other place. Just as God gave other peoples land to the Jews, He owns America and can give it to any people He chooses. If we don't want it anymore, I'm sure He will make sure we lose it.

If you talk to a WWII vet, he most likely will tell you we shouldn;t have won the war. If you talk to a Viet Nam vet, he will most likely tell you we shouldn't have lost that war. What happened from the '40's to the '70's? All the military power in the world will not save a doomed country. Ask a member of the Soviet Empire.

58 posted on 12/18/2008 8:23:04 AM PST by chuckles
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To: chuckles
Actually I agree with what you say!! For sure God is in control, no question about it.

You mention rightly, that we can not even pray in our schools etc. Well, who`s fault is that? People that voted Democrat I think you would agree.

We also do not know when the Lord is coming back, I for one selfishly, would like it to be very soon. Not to mention it would be great if all the suffering of people and animals would come to a end. Mind you the suffering for some will only be beginning on that great day of the Lords return.

You also say, how different could it be if McCain had won? For starters, McCain would have at least had the power to stop liberal judges from populating the Supreme Court, he might even have got one or 2 on? For sure he could have prevented what Obama is going to do to the court.

4 years of Liberals rejecting all McCain's appointments, would have been a victory in itself.

Not to mention the comfort/joy Sarah Palin would have given to us Christians as VP.

Personally, I am still DEVASTATED by Obama`s victory. I will not be watching a moment of this clown being inaugurated.

Yes I will pray for a miracle, that somehow He will see the light and become a Christian...

I believe all things are possible with God, but I just do not see that happening. There is just no evidence that he is even the least bit interested in becoming a Christian.

God Bless Obama

61 posted on 12/18/2008 3:24:42 PM PST by Friendofgeorge (TINA FEY WISHES SHE LOOKED LIKE SARAH PALIN. FEY IS HOMELY, SARAH IS KNOCKOUT DROP DEAD GORGEOUS)
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