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To: BonRad

“[MWT-you don’t get it at all- these are secular organizations. The US military is a SECULAR function. The Boy Scouts (which is relatively what you are compared to inner sanctums of far-higher orders of masonry) are basically as well, responsive to a moral code that is nominally Christian. They do not espouse anything near what even your DeMolay does, which espouses simple Deism infinitely.”

Wow, where to begin?

DeMolay does not speak for masons. He was a guy in the fraternity with an opinion.

There are no “inner sanctums of far-higher orders of masonry.” Indeed, there are no “higher orders” of masonry.

Freemasonry is a fraternity, and is as “secular” as the Boy Scouts and Marines. (BTW, the Boys Scouts and Marines were founded by Masons.)


243 posted on 01/22/2009 7:36:19 AM PST by MeanWestTexan (Beware Obama's Reichstag fire.)
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To: MeanWestTexan

How about this: masonry even cannot be “simple Deism” as the concept inevitably evolves to Dualism.

AND masonry can never be depicted as simply secular. It is DUALLY secular and spiritual. The spiritual “component” of masonry is “heavy”, for lack of a better words, to differentiate it from, say, the Boy Scouts.

Public secular actions by masons are not intrinsically evil. The founding of an arm of the US Armed Forces under the US Constitution is as noble as said authority, w/ basically same w/ Boy Scouts.

The US Constitution lacks conveyance of sufficient authority on morality. The US version was basically a hope and a prayer, if you will, by free-thinkers inclined toward or inspired by Christianity, that natural man would prevail with an innate noble morality. This is impossible given the basic teaching on Original Sin, that man is debased at conception. Now we have this hope-and-a-prayer pretender as “President”. He will, with the supposed “will of the people”, undo the remnants of “Christian Order”. The US will become officially anti-supernaturalist, if it hasn’t already (w/ Roe v Wade, at least- and look what day it is).
Pro-homosexual “hate crimes” and official infestation into
the military are the ‘final straw’. The ACLU has won the day.

A couple of the founders (at least one of the Adams’ said it, I can’t recall which, I think the elder) and later commentators (De tocqueville) so stated the US would not survive without a certain ‘Christian’ morality. It has gotten to the point that the open-endedness has resulted in the defeat of the underlying, unstated ‘Christian’ moral foundation.

The whole movement is: Organized Naturalism.

Say what you want, the charge has been for centuries that the Illuminati and/or Elders of Zion (can’t mention them or I’m an anti-semite) rule over all freemasonry.

I knew a Greek who told me in no uncertain terms he had a brother who was a Greek Orthodox monk who said the Greeks had hardbound evidence holed up in a mountain-top monastery that the French Grand Orient practiced out-and-out satanism in its very highest ranks.

We who have followed this long war have many such ‘stories’. You of course can’t so believe while I say that it is logical end to irrationality.


244 posted on 01/22/2009 9:26:50 AM PST by BonRad (As Rome goes so goes the world)
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