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gas piston AR-15 upgrade- worth the $ ?
my gray matter ^ | 1-22-09 | Wobbly Bob

Posted on 01/22/2009 9:36:40 AM PST by WOBBLY BOB

gas piston AR-15 upgrade- worth the $ ?

if so, why? why aren't the military picking it up too ?

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pros and cons , please.
1 posted on 01/22/2009 9:36:42 AM PST by WOBBLY BOB
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No, it’s not. If you have an AR already, just keep it clean and it will run just fine. If you haven’t got an AR but think you might want a piston gun, buy something like a SIG 556 that already uses a piston gas system.


2 posted on 01/22/2009 9:39:50 AM PST by ReeseBN38416
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To: ReeseBN38416

kinda what I thought.


3 posted on 01/22/2009 9:40:52 AM PST by WOBBLY BOB (ACORN:American Corruption for Obama Right Now)
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To: ReeseBN38416

What are your thoughts on the SIG 556?

Also, what scope setup would you recommend? I have been pricing stuff and I like the trijicon acog scope but it is very pricey. Any advice would be appreciated?


4 posted on 01/22/2009 9:44:17 AM PST by Man from Oz
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To: WOBBLY BOB
Pros - marginally enhanced reliability with sustained full auto and/or extended cleaning intervals.

Cons - added weight and reduced accuracy compared to free float/impingement rifle.

Mostly faddish for semiauto rifles.

5 posted on 01/22/2009 9:45:25 AM PST by xsrdx (Diligentia, Vis, Celeritas)
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To: WOBBLY BOB

Confession Time:

I purchased a AR-15 when I was in the Navy from the ships gun club. Cost $420. And it was a beauty. It had a telescoping stock and came with extra magazines including a 40 round banana clip that, well just looked so cool and stood out when we were posing for gun club pictures.

Sold it for $680 several years later to pay for my Wife’s engagement ring.

You can beat up on me now. Oh and yes, we are still married.


6 posted on 01/22/2009 9:45:43 AM PST by NavyCanDo
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* All of the hot gas and carbon are expelled into the environment right behind the gas block far away from the bolt carrier/receiver.
* The bolt carrier runs and stays clean with no increase in temperature.
* There is no need to lubricate the bolt carrier or its parts. This will eliminate the cause to collect external debris.


7 posted on 01/22/2009 9:48:04 AM PST by Edizzl79 (you want my guns..come and get em...I dare ya....)
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To: NavyCanDo
purchased a AR-15 when I was in the Navy from the ships gun club. Cost $420. ... Sold it for $680 several years later to pay for my Wife’s engagement ring.

You can beat up on me now. Oh and yes, we are still married.

Sounds like it's high time you go out and buy her an anniversary present, Sailor! And pick up one for yourself while you're at it...

8 posted on 01/22/2009 9:48:45 AM PST by Yo-Yo
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To: WOBBLY BOB
Oh and P.S.

You Posting a story on AR-15s is like teasing someone by showing pictures of their hot but long lost High School Girlfriend. So stop it.

9 posted on 01/22/2009 9:49:24 AM PST by NavyCanDo
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The reason the AR-15 M16/M4 platform is unreliable without ultra cleanliness or an armorer standing-by, is because of the lack of a gas-piston.

Buy a platform with a gas-piston design for reliable function in all conditions.
10 posted on 01/22/2009 9:49:46 AM PST by CaptSkip
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To: NavyCanDo

if you’re still married, we can’t beat you up.


11 posted on 01/22/2009 9:50:12 AM PST by WOBBLY BOB (ACORN:American Corruption for Obama Right Now)
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To: NavyCanDo

Ya’ know...it that’s all she cost you (either one, the AR or the wife) then that’s a pretty good deal. Sumthin’ tells me, though, that the ongoing maintenance costs have not been added in...

It’s not too late to pick up another AR. Better get one before 0bambi starts workin’ on the 2nd Amendment, again.

This could get down right ugly before it’s all over.


12 posted on 01/22/2009 9:50:32 AM PST by PubliusMM (RKBA; a matter of fact, not opinion)
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To: Man from Oz
Also, what scope setup would you recommend?

ACOG is worth every penny. But, best optic depends on rifle, caliber and intended use.

13 posted on 01/22/2009 9:51:12 AM PST by xsrdx (Diligentia, Vis, Celeritas)
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To: ReeseBN38416
Bump what he said...
If you really want a gas piston, buy an AK if you can find one, imho... ♠
14 posted on 01/22/2009 9:51:31 AM PST by ßuddaßudd (7 days - 7 ways Guero >>> with a floating, shifting, ever changing persona....)
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To: Man from Oz
What are your thoughts on the SIG 556?

I shot one once. Nice trigger pull, pretty good accuracy, well balanced. Expensive.

Also, what scope setup would you recommend?

Depends on the purpose. For coyote hunting, I've got a 16" AR-15 flat top carbine with a 3-9x power scope. If it's personal defense and you can't afford the ACOG, I'd look at an EOTech 511 holographic sight. I've been using one on my Mini-14 and I really like it. It's not magnifying, but it's easy to shoot with both eyes open.
15 posted on 01/22/2009 9:52:27 AM PST by JamesP81 (I shall give their president the same respect they gave mine)
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To: CaptSkip

like an FAL ?


16 posted on 01/22/2009 9:52:30 AM PST by WOBBLY BOB (ACORN:American Corruption for Obama Right Now)
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To: WOBBLY BOB
No.

The 'upgrade' is frivolous and unnecessary for the following reasons:

1. The cost is enormous. The sum total of parts in a gas-operated AR approaches $3000-$4000 when all is said and done. That's an absurd price for a 5.56 carbine, considering what else you can get for that money. $1800 for just an assembled upper is a laugh riot, in my opinion. I think I'd rather have a bolt action Sako TRG-42 in .338 Lapua for that price.

2. There are several gas piston retrofit kits out there, and most of them seem to work pretty well. However, the components are proprietary and you'll have only one source for parts if something goes wrong or wears out. Hope they don't change to a new or updated system in the meantime that's not backwards compatible with what you bought into. Besides, a lot of those gas piston assemblies look like a ballpoint pen clicky mechanism designed by aerospace engineers. They don't seem very robust to me.

3. Gas piston uppers vent into the atmosphere right where the noise is loudest and therefore don't suppress particularly well. That may or may not be a concern to you, but if you're Ricky Hispeed tactical operator fanboy, tell me you're not going to want to suppress your $3500 AR. You'll find the same problems that people trying to suppress AKs find out: 'My silencer, it does nothing!'

4. The legacy AR platform never got out of the prototype stage for gas piston tech. You're adding something where it was never designed to be. Maybe it will work just swell, and maybe you'll have hiccups if you change or add things like a shorter barrel, new caliber, a collapsible stock and recoil spring, new bolt head, etc. All the pitfalls associated with this become your problem alone, sucka. Maybe you'll find someone on the web with your exact same problem to commiserate with. If the problems you have are unsupported by the manufacturer, you're a pioneer in the wilderness.

5. Just go buy a rifle that was designed with a gas piston in the first place if you have something against direct impingement. Keep your AR inexpensive and common. Thank me later.

17 posted on 01/22/2009 9:56:11 AM PST by The KG9 Kid (e,)
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I was able to examine the CMMG gas piston in the store. I found it to be excellent quality. The only downside appears to be that by the very nature of the mechanism (not lack of design), the unit requires a little more height going down the barrel than the gas tube it replaces. So the handguard selection is limited to only those models that can accommodate the height.
18 posted on 01/22/2009 9:56:57 AM PST by theBuckwheat
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To: WOBBLY BOB
I prefer gas piston guns over direct impingement in the reliability department, but I don't think it's a good idea to use a gas piston system in a gun that wasn't designed for it. If you want gas piston, look at the Mini-14, Sig 556, FN SCAR, AK / SKS variant, or a Springfield Armory M1A.

Direct impingement tends to be a bit more accurate because you don't have a gas piston beating and banging around near the barrel, thus setting up inconsistent harmonic vibrations in the barrel. Gas piston is more reliable because piston guns don't vent burning powder into action.

I've got an AR-15, but in case of civil breakdown / natural disaster, my Mini-14 is my go to. It will function under conditions an AR won't, partially due to it being a gas piston. Actually, that little rifle will function under conditions that I won't function under, come to think of it.
19 posted on 01/22/2009 9:57:32 AM PST by JamesP81 (I shall give their president the same respect they gave mine)
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To: WOBBLY BOB
Like almost anything else. I believe the AR-15/M-16 is the only platform without a gas piston.

The Israelis selected the AK platform for their Galil series in either 5.56mm or 7.62x51mm.

FAL is a my dream .308. Wonder if I'll ever own one now.
20 posted on 01/22/2009 9:59:30 AM PST by CaptSkip
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