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To: mrjesse
Or the question in reverse. You are looking at the Sun in the sky. The Sun is turned off. Will you see the Sun traveling across the sky for another 8.3 minutes or will the Sun appear to stop in the sky for 8.3 minutes until it goes dark?

That's a silly statement - but you asked it. Of course the sun will still appear to move at 2.1 degrees per 8.3 minutes because that's the rate the earth is rotating at. But every last lightwave will strike the earth within about 20 arcseconds of the direction of the sun.

Where exactly was the Sun when it was shut off? Where you where looking when it was shut off or where it was 8.3 minutes and 2.1 degrees later when it went dark?

1,214 posted on 02/05/2009 6:27:50 AM PST by LeGrande (I once heard a smart man say that you canÂ’t reason someone out of something that they didnÂ’t reaso)
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Said LeGrande:Where exactly was the Sun when it was shut off? Where you were looking when it was shut off or where it was 8.3 minutes and 2.1 degrees later when it went dark? (corrected)

I know this is a hard thing for you to grasp, but if the sun was shut off, the light that it had already emitted would continue on its path just as it otherwise would have. And since the sun is still where it was 8.3 minutes ago, where it is is still where it was - so the light that reaches the earth will still be coming from the exact direction of the sun's current position. Maybe this will help you:


So in answer to your question I'm telling you that the sun was within about 20 arc seconds of where it appeared to be when it was shut off, and the apparent position of the sun will still continue to be within about 20 arc seconds of its actual position for the remainder of the 8.3 minutes.

Let's not forget that you are still refusing to answer my questions and even your own questions. See the theme? I ask a question, and you counter with a question which I answer and I ask a question, and you counter with a question... and you will not answer mine even though you keep asking more and I keep answering more! Why? Give me one good reason why you won't answer my questions! (or even your own questions which I asked you to answer!)

It is most dishonest of you to claim that your statements are true when you refuse to apply your own math and method to a sun that was 12 light hours away or to Pluto which can be up to 6.8 light hours away.

How about this: You said that if the earth rotated 180 degrees in 8.3 minutes, the optical image of the sun would be lagged 180 degrees from the real position.

So I ask this - if I prop up my merry go around so that it's top points right towards the north star, and then I get it rotating (relative to the sun) at 180 degrees per 8.3 minutes and climb up on it, now tell me this - will the sun's light appear in the east at the point in time when the sun's gravity appears in the west?

I mean if you believe you're telling the truth then all you have to do to demonstrate it is apply your claims to a few other simple scenarios. What have you got to lose, really? Several honest people have already come to the conclusion that you are wrong. And even though folks who's religion is Atheism or Naturalism or AllFromNothing won't have the decency to tell you that you're wrong, they know it too. So there's only one thing worse then being wrong and that is being wrong and knowing it and everyone else knowing it and yet you refuse to admit it.

So why not answer my questions? Or even your own questions as I pointed out in my previous post to you?

Thanks,

-Jesse

If the sun were 12 light hours away, for an observer on earth at a point in time, how far displaced would the apparent position be from the actual position of the sun? Would the sun really appear in the east at the moment it was actually in the west?

And if your claims are true then how come you can't find a single scientific source that also says so? Are you like a great scientist and you're the first one that realized that Pluto would appear to be displaced from it's actual position by 102 degrees?
1,219 posted on 02/05/2009 8:52:00 PM PST by mrjesse (Could it be true? Imagine, being forgiven, and having a cause, greater then yourself, to live for!)
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